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04-17-2010, 06:19 AM | #1 |
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I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.
The GT with the new 5.0 is on par with the E92 M3 in terms of performance, but it undercuts the price by a solid 30k. The secretary V6 model is faster than anything you can buy for 23k. Jesus. RWD, cheap, handles, looks good, and brakes well. Both V6 and V8 have excellent performance and gas mileage. Yet nary a peep from Zilvia. |
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04-17-2010, 07:13 AM | #2 | |
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nearly 4,000lbs and 410ish hp? I would not say it handles good nor brakes well. I doubt gas mileage is as advertised as they can just drive really really slow to test it. Its like hybrids that get 50-60mpg... if u drive like a grandma. Does the mustang have independent rear suspension yet? LOL Great buy at the supposed price of 30k, but they gonna fool/trick us somehow.... like limited numbers, or change in price for options... 30k base v8 price without navigation but the car ONLY comes with navigation... little dealer tricks like that. We all know that 90% or more mustangs are all v6. Its nothing more than marketing ploy to get people into their showroom. As the mustang model has been that for the last 15+years, sold mostly to middle aged women. My friend picked up a g37 for 36k, I'd rather have that than a mustang that will be worth less than 20k in 2-3years. And you can't compare it to a e92 when it is fully loaded, traction control, creature comforts, etc etc. Totally different market. A bmw buyer and a ford buyer are FAR from being anything alike. Bmw e92 buyer looking for all in one package. Mustang buyer looking at the 5.0 badge and looking for bullet wheels and flowmasters, thinking if he can get away with a 5.0 badge if he cheaps out on the v6. While the bmw buyer looking for factory bbs wheels and trying to decide if a m3 or a 335i or settle for a 328i. Drive a newer bmw ANY bmw. Then drive a mustang. then you will know. Then drive a e30, then drive a 5.0. Then you will agree. 400hp 4000lbs 30k Give me 200hp 2000lbs and Ill pay 20. sorry if its a rant. its 6am and i cant sleep. |
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PS: Weight <> Handling. Throw enough grip at a tank and it'll run good. Just because a car feels nimble on little 225/40's doesn't mean it will out handle a bigger car on 275/40's. Quote:
Do you have any first hand knowledge/know how/experience to back up this comment? A properly setup solid axle will work just fine. Just ask the AIX guys. Plus going IRS would probably tack on another 200 ish lbs, as well as odd complexity to a car that doesn't need it. Quote:
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Creature comforts ? Subjective. Sure the Mustang is cheaper in feel, but the ergonomics are the same in both if you ask me...yes I've driven both. Traction control? Mustang has had that since the SN chassis.... Quote:
If you're going to make an argument, or have an opinon, know what you're comparing. Sure the Seats are made of nicer leather, and the dash colors are better on your eyes...but in the end of the day, is it really worth paying the extra 30k for a car that (M3's are the handling car remember) that can't keep up with a 5.0 mustang around course? Maybe if you want to impress friends who don't know any better right? Your FFF elitism side is strong here. EDIT: So while I can respect your opinion on what car you'd like, the performance and 'bang for buck' part of myself just think it's all wrong. If I wanted a nice, comfy, yet decently quick 70k car, I'd rather get a Z06, or a used Noble, or a M45, etc etc. (And I'm not Bias, I'd love to find an e36 325 to stick an LSx into) Dynoed one today. 250 wheel through a stick. Boring if you ask me. Utterly cheap, and not even nice. Clutch was light as a feather though, kinda neat.
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04-17-2010, 07:07 PM | #4 |
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-2011 v6 mustang weighs in at 3500. I prefer to drive smaller/lighter/lowpower cars as they are more fun to me without getting in trouble. And I am noobish driver so smaller car easier to learn on.
gone are the days of sub 3000lb cars.... -yes i know the final drive ratios are shitty for the stock cars, I think my friend had 2.86 final drive on his 99ish mustang, when he went to 3.30's or whatever, he was instantly deep in the 13's in the 1/4 mile. -anything can handle good if setup right... porsche rear engine... or a fwd civic IL Track Tested: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro V6 vs. 2011 Ford Mustang V6 apparently its 30k for the v6 305hp, but 0-60 in 5.6 is quite impressive. 400hp should put it in the mid 4's? -really? 05 g35x for 10g's? shit maybe I should sell my s14 LOL If it is really 30k for the v8 400hp, as some sources try to say, then I don't doubt that it will sell out quickly and dealers would have to pre-order them for customers. Hell... if it was really 30k I might consider buying one. Nah fuck it, I want a z06. |
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Optioned out, it'll hit the 30's. 30k will get you the base 5.0 http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test With last year’s already extensive updates powering the 2010 Mustang GT to a win in a three-way with a Camaro SS and Dodge Challenger R/T, we’re delighted to see Ford spreading the love to the V-6 model. We didn’t get a chance to sample the base car with the normal suspension, but at $22,995 to start, the 2011 Mustang V-6 is the least-expensive way to get rear-wheel drive and 300 hp; 2010 Camaros base at $23,530, and the Genesis coupe with a 3.8-liter V-6 starts at $25,750. The Dodge Challenger SE starts at $23,460 but is so grossly outmatched as to be easily dismissed from the conversation. Our Grabber Blue Mustang was decked out in Premium trim, which at $26,695 to start nets leather hides for the seats and steering wheel, a booming Shaker 500 audio system, and various chrome and aluminum detailing, among other amenities. Also featured were the Security package ($395) with wheel locks and an anti-theft alarm; Comfort package ($595) with a six-way power driver’s seat and heaters for the front chairs; the Performance package; and the $995 Mustang Club of America package, which includes a blingy stainless-steel billet grille, fog lights, flat-black stripes down the body sides, a similar appliqué between the taillights, a prominent decklid spoiler, unique 18-inch wheels, and several other bits. Total: about $30,675. Last edited by ronmcdon; 04-17-2010 at 10:37 PM.. |
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My radar doesn't sound off everytime a domestic maker pops out another shitty retro/classic that my boss and neighbor would think is cool.
It just doesn't work like that.
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QUOTE FOR TRUTH!!!!!
I also agree about the Genesis statement. The only good thing to ever come out of Detroit is the Red Wings.
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It's actually 400hp 3500lbs... which makes it about 200 lighter than the m3 and about 14 hp short... Whether it feels like your hustling an elephant around the track or not, between the two cars... they lap with in a second on tests. That's ok though. a 1 series with a chip can also perform the same feat which is similar in price. Yes I could build one on fords website with cloth seats and just a plain jane CD player and get it right at 30k. While the camaro couldn't get under 32k. My 540i though is tomb quiet inside while my 02 camaro is like a rattly shit box. I'm hoping GM has made significant improvements.
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Its plain an simple. While some 240 owners may glance at a Mustang. BMW people? LOL Anyone the slightest bit interested in a BMW to drive is not going to glance at a Mustang. Unless its like some rare edition to buy and collect for collectability. Otherwise its a whole different world of people.
Only reason Vaughn Gitten jr drives a Mustang is because Ford is paying for it. Hell someone sponsors someone with a free car fuck ya they are going to drive it. LOL Does that mean the car is really that good? Does that mean the person honestly likes the car enough to own it themselves? Maybe but not always.
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04-17-2010, 01:49 PM | #13 | |
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04-23-2010, 08:33 AM | #14 |
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Perfect example: You think Ken Block ENJOYS having his ass handed to him in his FIESTA? If Subaru were still involved with WRC, theres no fucking way he'd be driving a ford.
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04-23-2010, 11:57 AM | #15 | |
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I will always have a special place in my heart for Nissan s chassis's ( I still own 3 of them) I definitely shared the same opinion a lot of you seem to have based on the traditional Mustang stereotypes the majority of us have grown up with and are mentioned here at one point. For the record I do not drive a Mustang because "Ford pays for it" I decided I wanted to drive a Mustang well before any Ford support was in the picture or even dreamed about. I loved with the way the 2005 looked and once I drove one I fell in love. In 2005 I started competing in one and in 2008 Ford came in the picture and since then we have built a great relationship. There is some really good people that work on the Mustang team and they really "get it" I have been in multiple meeting's with the team and they have asked a lot of really good questions and seem to be genuinely interested in my feedback. it is obvious by the new v6 and v8 performance and price point that they are moving in the right direction. I think this thread is proof of that and it is really cool to see everyone opening there minds to the car a bit more, especially this crowd. And yes I do own one myself- once you drive one its hard for it not to be a must have. Not a sales pitch its truly how I felt. I drove the 2010 across the US last year and I had to have a street mustang. As far as the "NO IRS" comments, when I asked the engineers "why not an IRS?" They simply redirect the question "Why should we make the car more expensive just to ad an IRS, The current 3 link live axle with a panhard out performs almost every IRS car in the class and that's a fact. Based on the fact that both the new V6 and V8 Mustang are extremely fun to drive, relatively affordable and performs awesome in road racing, drifting and of course drag racing,The only answer I came up with that made sense related to the majority of car owners is that "people just want to say they have IRS because solid axle is viewed as ancient". I would like to ask you all what would you argument for wanting IRS be? Aside from hardcore racing applications how and why is having IRS better other then solid axle is an old? Go test drive one and tell me you don't want one, I will be shocked! It looks alot bigger and heavier then it feels behind the wheel. I also wanted to share the Mustang RTR with you guys. This is a dealer installed package that I have designed and manufactured. It is something that I feel will bridge the gap between traditional mustang styling and the way most of our generation likes to get down with regards to styling. It will be available in May at select Ford Dealerships. Here is a link to a speed hunters feature on the car (the blue stripes are now matte black) CAR FEATURE>> MUSTANG RTR - Speedhunters . Anyway I just wanted to chime in. As a long time member of the Nissan community and both a Nissan and Ford enthusiast it is cool to see people especially this crowd opening there minds to Mustang. I would love any feedback good or bad. Have fun! Vaughn
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What you are doing with Ford and the Mustang is indeed cool. I would love nothing more than American car manufacturers build a good competitive car. America can do a lot of stuff technology wise and we do lead the world in technology. Now before anyone goes and tries to naysay that its true. I also am not so much trying to say America is superior so much as making a call out to American Automobile manufacturers.They can build great cars and design great cars. Just get the UAW out of they way LOL and in GM's case management. LOL Again thank you Vaughn and Ford for trying to make a difference. Perhaps I will go test drive a Mustang. That RTR looks damn nice. Yup I said that. It is one of the nicest reiterations of current Mustangs I have seen.
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I would venture to guess that galf of the people against live axle cars, have never even been in a car with one, this side of an F150, nor have they been in a modified one at that. I've been in some SERIOUS hell rides in American Iron X cars during HPDE days, and can say that a properly handling car, is just that...I'm not to concerned over what parts are under in (in regard to design), just so long as it's efficient. PS: I absolutely love watching your vidoes with that Mustang -- I'm personally not a drift guy (but I enjoy watching it) but boy oh boy does that car sound completely badass, and looks great with the ass end hanging out. "Makes me proud to be an American" as they say haha
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they're just playing catch-up with the camaro imo.
it seems absolutely absurd to compare to the e90/e92. apples & oranges entirely. I personally wouldn't feel too bad about picking up a 300hp v6 camaro however. |
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The new mustang is awesome, no longer feels like driving a tank and is probably the nicest all around platform since they first came out. I've driven and worked on a few of them at our dealer, pretty cool.
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heres a 'car & driver' review of the '11 mustang.
v6 model looks appealing 2011 Ford Mustang V6 - Short Take Road Test - Auto Reviews - Car and Driver specs VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 4-passenger, 2-door coupe PRICE AS TESTED: $30,675 (base price: $22,995) ENGINE TYPE: DOHC 24-valve V-6, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection Displacement: 227 cu in, 3726 cc Power (SAE net): 305 bhp @ 6500 rpm Torque (SAE net): 280 lb-ft @ 4250 rpm TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual DIMENSIONS: Wheelbase: 107.1 in Length: 188.1 in Width: 73.9 in Height: 55.6 in Curb weight: 3520 lb C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.8 sec Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 104 mph Top speed (governor limited): 113 mph Braking, 70–0 mph: 152 ft Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g FUEL ECONOMY: EPA city/highway driving: 19/29 mpg C/D observed: 18 mpg |
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Ohh, shut up.
Ford is the only American automaker that's doing things right. With the exception of the Corvette and their trucks, GM is garbage. Chrysler isn't doing any better. |
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wasn't saying it was any better than any of the other american car companies... actually, tesla is better than ford, but besides them, they're all the same.
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Its a rich persons "I am trying to look green" status symbol, by driving an electric sports car and nothing more. As far as sports cars go I would just as soon save 60k and Buy the Lotus. Great gas mileage goes like stink and handles like a bat out of hell. Tesla is not even worth mentioning in this convo as well as the Mustang would make mince meat of it.
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How can you compare a cottage industry firm with an as-yet not mass market technology to a Fortune 100 household name automaker? I'll admit that the muscle car aesthetic isn't my bag, but the Stang GT outbrakes the M3, accelerates almost exactly the same, is lighter, is half the price, etc etc etc. If this isn't at all compelling to you than you're obviously not basing your auto-buying decisions on performance. The V6 with 300hp and 31mpg for $23k is astonishing.
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It's an interesting comparison, yet very doubtful the consumers out there for either car would cross shop. I like the progress Ford had taken on the Mustang and it will be very interesting to see what the next iteration has in store.
For me, in terms of personal preference, I would take the M3.
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