This is what happens when you buy fake wheels (Varrstoen)

[Silvette]

I'm not going to get into any arguments about "I buy fake wheels, because the real ones are too expensive" or any of that BS

This is to show that not only fake wheels/parts are made of poor quality and are dangerous but you also take away food from the hardworking companies that develop these parts with thousands invested into R&D. This is currently killing the JDM companies that were establish here, why fake the funk? Same as buying fake Jordan's

Anyways back to my original point;



The owner not only put BBS center caps on a fake Varrstoen copy. He went over a pot hole at 25 mph and this happened. A rim of high quality will not crack in half like this. Last I head he got a full set as replacement, but I would of rather got a refund or threaten to sue.

[Gnnr]

Wow, thats one of the worse I've seen. Its all around!

[wannabdr1ftr]

dang...that's worse than some Rota pics I have seen

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Wow, thats one of the worse I've seen. Its all around!

Originally Posted by wannabdr1ftr

dang...that's worse than some Rota pics I have seen

1 piece became a 2 piece rim

[enkei2k]

how big was the pothole lol? i hit a huge pothole going 70 and I ended up with a slight bend (forged wheels though ). damn 25 is really slow and seems very unlikely that such a slow speed caused it. Proof of it being a Varrstoen and not, say, a Rota? Not that it matters, but still, something doesn't seem right, even for a 'knock-off', sounds impossible at 25 mph

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

how big was the pothole lol? i hit a huge pothole going 70 and I ended up with a slight bend (forged wheels though ). damn 25 is really slow and seems very unlikely that such a slow speed caused it. Proof of it being a Varrstoen and not, say, a Rota? Not that it matters, but still, something doesn't seem right, even for a 'knock-off', sounds impossible at 25 mph

words from the owner, i mean yea he could be going faster then 25. We'll never know but like you said at 70 yours was a bend, which is how it should be.

proof its Varrstoen because the original owner said so and he got a full replacement set from them

[whiterps13]

What a stupid fucking thread. How do you know he was going 25 mph? How do you know how big the pothole was?



Here is a picture of a broken Enkei RPF1. Does that mean that Enkeis suck? Does that mean that every RPF1 is going to split from the barrell?

No, because the wheel took a hard impact. Any wheel that takes a hard impact could break, bend, crack, etc. Posting up some picture that some dude posted on the internet with some story and automatically going after the "fake" wheels is so stupid. He could replace that street-driven wheel with a whole SET of "fake" wheels for the price of ONE "real" wheel that might have cracked/bent/broken under the same hard impact.

Yes, Im biased because I own a set of FAKE Rotas. I dont give a shit because theyre stupid cheap, fit great for 4 lug, and are virtually dispensable street wheels for the price. If I was building a crazy track car with an unlimited budget obviously they wouldnt be my first choice. But Im not.

[jandysil80]

agree w/ whiterps13..... A buddy of mine had a OEM R33 FORGED rim break off and ended up looking like that RPF1, seen it first hand, and he wasnt even drifting, it was an HPDE.
Something doesnt add up.....no fuckin way thats gonna happen at 25 mph over a pothole

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by whiterps13

What a stupid fucking thread. How do you know he was going 25 mph? How do you know how big the pothole was?



Here is a picture of a broken Enkei RPF1. Does that mean that Enkeis suck? Does that mean that every RPF1 is going to split from the barrell?

No, because the wheel took a hard impact. Any wheel that takes a hard impact could break, bend, crack, etc. Posting up some picture that some dude posted on the internet with some story and automatically going after the "fake" wheels is so stupid. He could replace that street-driven wheel with a whole SET of "fake" wheels for the price of ONE "real" wheel that might have cracked/bent/broken under the same hard impact.

Yes, Im biased because I own a set of FAKE Rotas. I dont give a shit because theyre stupid cheap, fit great for 4 lug, and are virtually dispensable street wheels for the price. If I was building a crazy track car with an unlimited budget obviously they wouldnt be my first choice. But Im not.

Look here buddy im not here to get into an argument about your fake wheel. Fact is this picture was posted by a friend of mine who owns a well known blog. The owner of Varrstoen called said blog owner and tried to hush him. This post/thread is my own personal opinion and does not reflect the views of who I might potentially represent.

Here is a picture from a buddy of mine, who went over a pothole at 65 with a real Volk CE28



If Rota is all you can afford then good for you

[Redstar]

At the end of the day unless your wheel is a solid diamond or something comparable in strength it could bend/crack/break if you hit something. I don't have "fake" wheels, and plenty of people I know with Works, Rays, etc. have had bends or cracks in the lips of their wheels from track days and whatnot. Granted I do think it's rather unusual that the entire lip sheared off, but there are too many variables that contribute to this to make the assumption that these types of wheels are completely unsafe to drive on.

Most people hate on them because they're reproductions of original designs from more reputable manufacturers rather than their strength. If they pass JWL and VIA safety tests, that's good enough for most people. I'm willing to bet that even some OE wheels are manufactured in the same facility as Varrstoen.

[madd ocx]

This thread is hilarious.. I would admit it was stupid to put the bbs logo on his wheel, but any rim will bend/break hitting a pot hole, I don't care what no one says.. its all a matter of luck, driving and how hard you hit it. All companies steal designs and such.. its what your willing to pay for that determines it in the end..

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by usdm180sx

FUCK varstoens that shit can WALK. I'd rather buy used real deal BBS or TE37 all day long than rock fake shit but that's just me.

thank you, someone with some common sense

Originally Posted by madd ocx

This thread is hilarious.. I would admit it was stupid to put the NBA logo on his wheel, but any rim will bend/break hitting a pot hole, I don't care what no one says.. its all a matter of luck, driving ady how hard you hit it. All companies steal designs and such.. its what your willing to pay for that determines it in the end..

yes a wheel is suppose to bend/break whatever you want to call it, but break in half completely in two pieces?

[HyperTek]

Originally Posted by Silvette

Here is a picture from a buddy of mine, who went over a pothole at 65 with a real Volk CE28



If Rota is all you can afford then good for you

THAT IS REPAIRABLE , any good wheel shop can turn that back into a good wheel. Had that been a rota etc, it would have broke into pieces. Id say less then $200 for the repair.


Good day!

I have no problem with people who buy so and so replica brand.. I just find it wierd when people go out of their way to say things like "fck paying $$$$, I'll just keep buying blah blah"..

Wheels are an investment to some, and hold a little more appreciation value to the car.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by HyperTek

THAT IS REPAIRABLE , any good wheel shop can turn that back into a good wheel. Had that been a rota etc, it would have broke into pieces.


Good day!

Can they repair warped wheels too? (genuine question).

Even warped forged wheels?

[DJDANGER24]

Originally Posted by whiterps13

What a stupid fucking thread. How do you know he was going 25 mph? How do you know how big the pothole was?



Here is a picture of a broken Enkei RPF1. Does that mean that Enkeis suck? Does that mean that every RPF1 is going to split from the barrell?

No, because the wheel took a hard impact. Any wheel that takes a hard impact could break, bend, crack, etc. Posting up some picture that some dude posted on the internet with some story and automatically going after the "fake" wheels is so stupid. He could replace that street-driven wheel with a whole SET of "fake" wheels for the price of ONE "real" wheel that might have cracked/bent/broken under the same hard impact.

Yes, Im biased because I own a set of FAKE Rotas. I dont give a shit because theyre stupid cheap, fit great for 4 lug, and are virtually dispensable street wheels for the price. If I was building a crazy track car with an unlimited budget obviously they wouldnt be my first choice. But Im not.

Are you REALLY comparing a fuckin race car to a street car? Come on dude, your comparison is irrelevant to the original post.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by whiterps13

Who can count all the GoPro cameras on that car?

[jamg]

Lol @ the fact that some people pay up to 1000 for some chinese wheels. If I wanted some chinese wheels, i'd get 'real' chinese wheels.

See what I did thar

[dudermagee]

lol at buying fake wheels.
I paid 1k picked up for my work equip 05 18x8&18x9 +35 with almost new tires.
Granted I bought new outer lips brand from work and I'm getting different Tires, but I could have rocked those just fine if I had wanted to.

[Tantwoforty]

i know a handfull of people who rock fake wheels all day. and that's in this town where the roads are potholes all over the place and the only rim ive ever seen crack was a oem nissan g35 wheel on a twin turbo z32
there's no way in hell 25mph did that to that wheel i dont care if he hit a wall and then a herd of buffalo let alone a pothole..
plus
when you have stiff ass suspension and tiny tires..
its YOUR job to avoid potholes ect..
a good enough hit and some luck will break any wheel fake or not

[enkei2k]

found it: Link to original thread:

Potholes. - BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3)

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by enkei2k

found it: Link to original thread:

Potholes. - BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3)

yeap thanks, look the the original poster removed the image for obvious reasons

[sidewaysil80]

karma for trying to pass it off as authentic...jus sayin.

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

karma for trying to pass it off as authentic...jus sayin.

lol agreed

[nismolvr]

That shit is all over the web. Theres no way in hell that rim busted @ 25MPH! Sounds like some one was speeding busted their rim hitting a pothole, called rim company and changed their story . All of a sudden they were doing only 25MPH , GTFO! If that was the case , this company would never get off the ground with such bad product rep.There would be a huge list of complaints and broken wheels at low speeds , LOL. Owner is trying to pressure company into a getting a new set of wheels or worse , threatening with court action.

Manufactures / sales reps , fear this kind of consumer , of course they naturally want to keep this hush . The internet is full of misinformation and cases like this hurt sales.Theres alot here that doesnt add up. As a rim company I would give that Customer his new wheel and Im sure they will. Too bad , they all ready did more damage by bad mouthing their product over the WWWeb. That my 2 cents.
Im not pro knock off Wheels .Common sense says theres no way in hell that shit broke @25MPH.

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by nismolvr

That shit is all over the web. Theres no way in hell that rim busted @ 25MPH! Sounds like some one was speeding busted their rim hitting a pothole, called rim company and changed their story . All of a sudden they were doing only 25MPH , GTFO! If that was the case , this company would never get off the ground with such bad product rep.There would be a huge list of complaints and broken wheels at low speeds , LOL. Owner is trying to pressure company into a getting a new set of wheels or worse , threatening with court action.

Manufactures / sales reps , fear this kind of consumer , of course they naturally want to keep this hush . The internet is full of misinformation and cases like this hurt sales.Theres alot here that doesnt add up. As a rim company I would give that Customer his new wheel and Im sure they will. Too bad , they all ready did more damage by bad mouthing their product over the WWWeb. That my 2 cents.

They are trying to cover this up as quick as possible. A new set of rims were already give to the owner. Hey, I mean if I owned a company that made $$$$ off of ripping someone's else hard work and sold it for more than half off. If this happened I would provide the best customer service possible and replace the rim.

[nismolvr]

Originally Posted by Silvette

They are trying to cover this up as quick as possible. A new set of rims were already give to the owner. Hey, I mean if I owned a company that made $$$$ off of ripping someone's else hard work and sold it for more than half off. If this happened I would provide the best customer service possible and replace the rim.

I dont blame the company at all They offer an alternative to more expensive wheels. I look at it like this . We all like the finer better made more expensive products in life.They are better products .Some just like having more expensive shit for the sheer Bragging rights. Some of us have Crystal Champagne taste but in reality can only afford Budweiser, lol. This company offers an alternative (Budweiser ). Its not the best , better made wheel than the Original BBS , but it still provides same function. Not at the same standards, but still does the same thing none the less.You Still gets you buzzed sort of speak. I know its a bad analogy. We can have the same argument about every kind of consumer products.There is just diferent standards. Thats all I got to say about that.

As far as Stealing ,taking sales away from Original Designers , How? People clearly know these are not original BBS . If you had BBS money would you buy the fake or real? You wouldnt even consider these.If they sold them as such (real), thats copy right theft.

Back to the Original Complaintant , the guy owns an BMW M3. This guy Clearly has Champagne taste , But for whatever reasons purchased Budweiser wheels. Hell Im not bashing him for doing it. But most people would, for the fact that he can afford a real M3 and cant afford real BBSs.

I think the guy was at fault . No way he busted that wheel @ 25MPH. One last thing , he stated that the second pot hole was 2 feet wide . Its his fault again ,cause he wasnt paying attention. @ 25 MPH I highly doubt it .

I wish I could get my parts replaced for free .Everytime I was negligent and at fault.

[DJDANGER24]

Originally Posted by nismolvr

We all like the finer better made more expensive products in life.They are better products .Some just like having more expensive shit for the sheer Bragging rights. Some of us have Crystal Champagne taste but in reality can only afford Budweiser, lol. This company offers an alternative (Budweiser ).

Haha i love this analogy, very well put my friend

[curbhuggerrps13]

So said friend has fame rims on his e36. Tires that where probably too, went over a pot hole at 25 MPH. A speed that is used is residentials to Dodge pedestrians etc hit a pot hole with his fake wheels and you feel a thread was the best thing you can do about this situation?

[Silvette]

Originally Posted by curbhuggerrps13

So said friend has fame rims on his e36. Tires that where probably too, went over a pot hole at 25 MPH. A speed that is used is residentials to Dodge pedestrians etc hit a pot hole with his fake wheels and you feel a thread was the best thing you can do about this situation?

/reading

not a friend, the guy drives a e46 ... my thread has nothing to do with fixing his situation ...

[ronmcdon]

Edit nvm, pothole was hit @ 25 mph.
We don't know how bad the pothole was, or whether the OP of the bmw thread was being honest, but still.

I was driving and minding my business when I hit a small pot hole, and it turned out to be a bigger pot hole after my car drove over it. It went from a 4 inch wide pothole to a 2 foot wide one.. The ground underneath the pothole gave away and f*ck me over.

25 miles going up a hill in 4th gear.

But to each & their own, the fake wheels debate will never end.

Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

karma for trying to pass it off as authentic...jus sayin.

Yeah I feel he deserved it for that reason alone.
Dude has an e46 (m3?) so it's not like he's broke.