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JDM K's · 03-30-2004, 05:54 PM

Sorry I am not trying to fly rather trying to stick my car to the ground on a high speed. Anyway I am trying to decide what kind of wing (high, mid or low) will look good on my car and give me the down force that I am looking for. My car is a wide body S13 couple with Charge Speed body kit. If you have a picture it will help a lot better.

Here is what the car looks like (not the actual car)

OptionZero · 03-30-2004, 05:57 PM

s14 k's spoiler custom fit should look pimp

JDM K's · 03-30-2004, 06:09 PM

But it doesn't have the lift that I need, it is flat. This is what I am talking about, a Bomex wing on my Brother's car.

zero.counter · 03-30-2004, 06:13 PM

With 6in. stanchions at most...

$349 plus 30 shipping...

BTW, not fly worthy, great downforce, very light, and better looking than those aluminum POSs...

TheSnail · 03-30-2004, 06:14 PM

Whats up JDM-K its Voya, I just won my spoiler from Jarco about a hour ago, It is a Wangan Tail for an s13 coupe, here is a picture. (your not frontire-ser, are you?)

SilviaDriver · 03-30-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero.counter

With 6in. stanchions at most...

$349 plus 30 shipping...

BTW, not fly worthy, great downforce, very light, and better looking than those aluminum POSs...

if you cant afford that..jspec has a copy

JDM K's · 03-30-2004, 06:21 PM

Yes, I am Frontier SE-R. I was going to bid on the wing at the last min I decided not to bid again. I think I need a wing that seat higher because my rear fenders are huge (50mm wide) and they would swallow small wing/wing that seats flat on the trunk.

KiDyNomiTe · 03-30-2004, 06:32 PM

Where are you going to be using this downforce?

theicecreamdan · 03-30-2004, 07:10 PM

on the freeway, where else?

just playin

hookedup240 · 03-30-2004, 07:20 PM

forget the wing, get something subtle and be done with it. Its not a race car is it?

JDM K's · 03-30-2004, 08:18 PM

Yes, it will be on a high way and I do enjoy high speed when no one is around. Yes, it is kind of my race car meaning it is faster then my daily driver/better car. Plus this will be the car that will satisfy my craving for speed and what ever else I am in a mood for doing.

mk20116 · 03-31-2004, 07:00 PM

a wing that is adjustable, downforce would depend on the wing and it's aspect ratio. the larger the aspect ratio the greater the efficiency.
to measure aspect ratio follow this formula.

ar=span\chord

(imagine a rectangle. the span would be the length of the wing and chord would be the width of the wing.)

the tilt of the wing would increase the downforce as well. the ideal angle of attack(tilt of the wing) would be ideally be set by the manufacturer(unless youre' willing to do the testing yourself). too much attack and your wing will stall, too little attack then you will get lift.

PSI240SX · 03-31-2004, 07:01 PM

I have been well over 155mph with no wing and never had trouble "sticking" to the road.

Leave the rice for the honda boys.

Bbandit · 03-31-2004, 07:06 PM

i always prefer cars without wings.. cuz i think they look meaner that way..
lowered + no wing = awesome in my dictionary..
but hey its your car and you didnt ask for my opinion so sorry about that..

but this is what i wanted to say..
go with the lowest yet functional wing that you can get...

the240sxer95 · 03-31-2004, 07:51 PM

buy my cusco spoiler./

nightwalker · 03-31-2004, 08:06 PM

I've found that a chin spoiler, and side skirts do pretty well already for a car aerodynamically. I've hit about 150ish in my 240 too, and have not experienced any instability. The rear vented fenders that are so popular nowadays do play a part in aerodynamics as well.

Though, when I had an integra, a touring style spoiler did help THAT car stay more stable at 100+.

Just buy one that has been proven to work (TopSecret) and just flip off the people who look at you weird.

mk20116 · 03-31-2004, 08:17 PM

vented fenders will allow underobdy air to bleed though to fill low pressure area over wheel arches.....that or louvers....i don't remember.

a nice mid wing with a diffuser to help balance out the wing should give you downforce with stability.

that or get the largest wing you could find...

JDM K's · 03-31-2004, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightwalker

The rear vented fenders that are so popular nowadays do play a part in aerodynamics as well.

I have never seen a car that has vents in the rear fenders anyway this is what mine looks like. I think it would look weird if I was to put a small wing, what do you think?

I have driven both mine and my brother’s car pass 120mph and his car is a lot more stable then my car at that speed. The only difference is he has front lip and rear spoiler so it makes difference.

aa87 · 03-31-2004, 09:27 PM

Rotora has a wing like that in carbon fiber, which would look clean.

Shin_Kudo · 03-31-2004, 10:27 PM

Yeah, I think a 3d contoured GT Wing would look good. I'm gonna go with something like that for my S14, in fact. Gotta be CF, though, and gotta be curved, one of those straight, or worse, "bookshelf" wings, especially in aluminum, looks like crap.

But a good CF wing with a CF hood and gunmetal rims looks awesome on a white car.

nightwalker · 03-31-2004, 10:39 PM

when I said rear vented fenders, I meant rear vents on front fenders. The front fenders are larger than the rear, and with the opening in the front, they get a lot of air. By venting the air through the VENTS, you get less turbulence and lift.

TheTimanator · 03-31-2004, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDM K's

I have never seen a car that has vents in the rear fenders anyway this is what mine looks like.

http://www.importfan.com/product.asp?0=360&1=365&3=4702

DoriftoSlut · 04-01-2004, 08:10 PM

What kind of wheels do you have on this race car?

Nismo240SX · 04-02-2004, 08:02 AM

can't ever go wrong with a wangan wing!!!

rrobe99999 · 04-02-2004, 08:15 AM

[QUOTE=JDM K's]But it doesn't have the lift that I need, it is flat. This is what I am talking about, a Bomex wing on my Brother's car.

The S14 K's wing is functional. It's flat on top, but curved on bottom, which makes downforce. Your car would look best wingless. S13 Silvia coupes are so sexy with those kind of body kits.

*sykikchimp* · 04-02-2004, 08:54 AM

Try adding a nice air dam, and splitter, and maybe get creative with some underbody covers, and maybe a rear underbody diffuser. This will create much more downforce than a big wing hanging off the back. The big wing on the back will just create more drag.

mellojoe · 04-02-2004, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero.counter

With 6in. stanchions at most...

$349 plus 30 shipping...

BTW, not fly worthy, great downforce, very light, and better looking than those aluminum POSs...

You can make these look really good without having to be too high on the car. 6" at the most, I agree.

Seriously, though, no spoiler is better.

You said you have a coupe? Maybe a drag-style lip off the trunk lid would look good.

mbmbmb23 · 04-02-2004, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nismo240SX

can't ever go wrong with a wangan wing!!!

I second that.

-m

03-30-2004, 05:54 PM	#1
JDM K's Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 213 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Dilemma choosing rear wing type Sorry I am not trying to fly rather trying to stick my car to the ground on a high speed. Anyway I am trying to decide what kind of wing (high, mid or low) will look good on my car and give me the down force that I am looking for. My car is a wide body S13 couple with Charge Speed body kit. If you have a picture it will help a lot better. Here is what the car looks like (not the actual car)

03-30-2004, 06:32 PM	#8
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 38 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Where are you going to be using this downforce? __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

03-30-2004, 07:20 PM	#10
hookedup240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NJ Age: 40 Posts: 1,149 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	forget the wing, get something subtle and be done with it. Its not a race car is it? __________________ 1991 240sx se 5spd - sold 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege

03-31-2004, 07:01 PM	#13
PSI240SX Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Gunshine State Age: 49 Posts: 843 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have been well over 155mph with no wing and never had trouble "sticking" to the road. Leave the rice for the honda boys. __________________ www.enjukuracing.com

03-31-2004, 07:06 PM	#14
Bbandit Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Texas and now Jakarta Age: 42 Posts: 2,674 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Bbandit Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i always prefer cars without wings.. cuz i think they look meaner that way.. lowered + no wing = awesome in my dictionary.. but hey its your car and you didnt ask for my opinion so sorry about that.. but this is what i wanted to say.. go with the lowest yet functional wing that you can get... __________________ ==>>TGL GARAGE<<==.. RIP! S13 coupe KA-T @ 0.5 Bar = SOLD! A31 Cefiro + SR = Current

03-30-2004, 05:57 PM	#2
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	s14 k's spoiler custom fit should look pimp

03-30-2004, 06:09 PM	#3
JDM K's Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 213 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But it doesn't have the lift that I need, it is flat. This is what I am talking about, a Bomex wing on my Brother's car.

03-30-2004, 06:13 PM	#4
zero.counter Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: At work Posts: 2,003 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	With 6in. stanchions at most... $349 plus 30 shipping... BTW, not fly worthy, great downforce, very light, and better looking than those aluminum POSs...

03-30-2004, 06:14 PM	#5
TheSnail Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Marietta Georgia Age: 41 Posts: 2,434 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Whats up JDM-K its Voya, I just won my spoiler from Jarco about a hour ago, It is a Wangan Tail for an s13 coupe, here is a picture. (your not frontire-ser, are you?)

03-30-2004, 06:21 PM	#7
JDM K's Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 213 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, I am Frontier SE-R. I was going to bid on the wing at the last min I decided not to bid again. I think I need a wing that seat higher because my rear fenders are huge (50mm wide) and they would swallow small wing/wing that seats flat on the trunk.

03-30-2004, 08:18 PM	#11
JDM K's Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ATL, GA Posts: 213 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, it will be on a high way and I do enjoy high speed when no one is around. Yes, it is kind of my race car meaning it is faster then my daily driver/better car. Plus this will be the car that will satisfy my craving for speed and what ever else I am in a mood for doing.

03-31-2004, 07:00 PM	#12
mk20116 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: sactown Posts: 424 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	a wing that is adjustable, downforce would depend on the wing and it's aspect ratio. the larger the aspect ratio the greater the efficiency. to measure aspect ratio follow this formula. ar=span\chord (imagine a rectangle. the span would be the length of the wing and chord would be the width of the wing.) the tilt of the wing would increase the downforce as well. the ideal angle of attack(tilt of the wing) would be ideally be set by the manufacturer(unless youre' willing to do the testing yourself). too much attack and your wing will stall, too little attack then you will get lift.

03-31-2004, 07:51 PM	#15
the240sxer95 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2002 Location: cali cali Posts: 1,322 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	buy my cusco spoiler./

03-31-2004, 08:06 PM	#16
nightwalker Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay area Age: 45 Posts: 2,146 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've found that a chin spoiler, and side skirts do pretty well already for a car aerodynamically. I've hit about 150ish in my 240 too, and have not experienced any instability. The rear vented fenders that are so popular nowadays do play a part in aerodynamics as well. Though, when I had an integra, a touring style spoiler did help THAT car stay more stable at 100+. Just buy one that has been proven to work (TopSecret) and just flip off the people who look at you weird. __________________ In life, we often cast the line of hope fishing for the best possible opportunity. Sometimes with enough effort, the things we catch are nothing short of amazing.

03-31-2004, 08:17 PM	#17
mk20116 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: sactown Posts: 424 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	vented fenders will allow underobdy air to bleed though to fill low pressure area over wheel arches.....that or louvers....i don't remember. a nice mid wing with a diffuser to help balance out the wing should give you downforce with stability. that or get the largest wing you could find...

03-31-2004, 09:27 PM	#19
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 36 Posts: 1,116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Rotora has a wing like that in carbon fiber, which would look clean.

03-31-2004, 10:27 PM	#20
Shin_Kudo Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 699 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I think a 3d contoured GT Wing would look good. I'm gonna go with something like that for my S14, in fact. Gotta be CF, though, and gotta be curved, one of those straight, or worse, "bookshelf" wings, especially in aluminum, looks like crap. But a good CF wing with a CF hood and gunmetal rims looks awesome on a white car.

03-31-2004, 10:39 PM	#21
nightwalker Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay area Age: 45 Posts: 2,146 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	when I said rear vented fenders, I meant rear vents on front fenders. The front fenders are larger than the rear, and with the opening in the front, they get a lot of air. By venting the air through the VENTS, you get less turbulence and lift. __________________ In life, we often cast the line of hope fishing for the best possible opportunity. Sometimes with enough effort, the things we catch are nothing short of amazing.

04-01-2004, 08:10 PM	#23
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 40 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What kind of wheels do you have on this race car? __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

04-02-2004, 08:02 AM	#24
Nismo240SX Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Marion, Virginia. Age: 38 Posts: 855 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	can't ever go wrong with a wangan wing!!! __________________ 1990 Nissan 240sx:s13 blacktop, s13.5 front

04-02-2004, 08:15 AM	#25
rrobe99999 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Destin, Fl Posts: 262 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	[QUOTE=JDM K's]But it doesn't have the lift that I need, it is flat. This is what I am talking about, a Bomex wing on my Brother's car. The S14 K's wing is functional. It's flat on top, but curved on bottom, which makes downforce. Your car would look best wingless. S13 Silvia coupes are so sexy with those kind of body kits.

04-02-2004, 08:54 AM	#26
sykikchimp WOW addicted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the moon Age: 43 Posts: 6,525 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Try adding a nice air dam, and splitter, and maybe get creative with some underbody covers, and maybe a rear underbody diffuser. This will create much more downforce than a big wing hanging off the back. The big wing on the back will just create more drag. __________________