Team Zimmerman Vs Team Martin?

[TheWolf]

If you haven't heard. Florida has done it again.

Depending on which side you're on.

Team Zimmerman:

Neighborhood watch captain patrols at night. See's "shady" looking black kid in a hoodie being suspicious and checking out cars. Calls 911. Police will be there in whenever. Confronts kid. Gets in a struggle. Shoots kid. Sanford police investigate, declare self defense. No arrest.

Team Martin:
Black kid dating girl in neighborhood. Going out to the corner store. Just minding my own business. Over aggressive racially motivated captain shoots kid for just looking shady. No struggle happened. I was just minding my own business. Sanford police are liars. Zimmerman should get the chair for a hate crime against my innocent kid. It was a racially motivated hit on my son.

Team Media:
White guy shoots black guy must be racially motivated (white guy is actually hispanic but I guess they count as white now)
Florida allows people under their "no retreat/stand your ground" gun law to go around indiscriminately killing people.
"Obama should intervene." Sends justice department advisor down instead.


Facts.
Police arrived on the scene. Found Zimmerman with a busted nose and a cut on the back of his head. Martin dead with a shot at close range.
Zimmerman disobeyed a 911 operator and pursued Martin.
Zimmerman called Martin a "f87kin Coon" on 911 tape.
Neighborhood was a gated condo complex. 21 car break-in's since jan.
Martins girlfriend claims she "heard" him shoved while on the phone with him.
Neighbor claims she "heard" zimmerman on top of martin. One of them yelled for help.

[ESmorz]

[harrypotter]

I am lost, what is the point?

[KiLLeR2001]

Never heard of a Hispanic Zimmerman, usually German/Jewish.

Either way, don't know what to think of this story. I have a hard time believing someone shooting a kid unless they felt like their life was in danger. Either way, the media will twist this as they see fit. Most likely into the realm of blatant hate crime.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Never heard of a Hispanic Zimmerman, usually German/Jewish.

Either way, don't know what to think of this story. I have a hard time believing someone shooting a kid unless they felt like their life was in danger. Either way, the media will twist this as they see fit. Most likely into the realm of blatant hate crime.

No twisting needed, the evidence is there and you can hear it for yourself. (Evil Media blah blah)

Even if Trayvon did partake in and win the scuffle, if you were just minding your own business eating skittles and drinking iced tea and some guy started following you and then tried to physically detain you would you not try to incapacitate him and get away? Then the guy pulls out a gun and you beg for your life and he kills you.

You pretty much have to be a piece of shit to think this guy was in the right at all. There's little to no gray area here, and the fact that the Sanford PD hasn't done shit and actually delayed evidence is a travesty.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by KiLLeR2001

Never heard of a Hispanic Zimmerman, usually German/Jewish.

Selma Hayek? Vincente Fox? You ever seen what people look like in Argentina and Uraguay? Hispanic isn't a race or a nationality, just like Latin doesn't mean you're Spanish speaking and brown. :lol

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by imotion s14

Selma Hayek? Vincente Fox? You ever seen what people look like in Argentina and Uraguay? Hispanic isn't a race or a nationality, just like Latin doesn't mean you're Spanish speaking and brown. :lol

This is true because a lot of Argentinians are of Italian descent. Oh and what about all the Brazilians of Portugese decent?

Oh and on the Latin front and I know this is bound to piss some people off but the true Latino's would be Italian as Latin is what the Romans spoke and guess what? That was Italy. LOL

Of course yes Spanish is derived from Latin but so is French so if your gonna play that card then you have to French people Latino's as well. LOL I do not think a French person would take kindly to being called Latino.

hahahhahahaha jokes aside it does sound like the cops are totally fucked up here.

Oh and yes this does seem to be a case of racial hatred i.e. a hate crime and it is does seem to be there is some kind of collusion and obstruction of justice going on, on the parents part based on their standings in the community.

What needs to happen is a Federal investigation of the Sanford Police department and a look at the local division of the municipal court system there as well.

If the Feds can investigate the LA PD for this kind of stuff which they have done in the past there is no reason it can't be done in lowly Sanford Florida.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Oh and yes this does seem to be a case of racial hatred i.e. a hate crime and it is does seem to be there is some kind of collusion and obstruction of justice going on, on the parents part based on their standings in the community.

What needs to happen is a Federal investigation of the Sanford Police department and a look at the local division of the municipal court system there as well.

If the Feds can investigate the LA PD for this kind of stuff which they have done in the past there is no reason it can't be done in lowly Sanford Florida.

I agree with you on these points (naturally, considering I have brought 2 of them up in this thread).
I also happen to be of the opinion that the high-ups who have already stepped down/aside in the wake of this is suggestive of what that federal probe will find. Better get out on your own terms and save that pension than to find yourself on trial for their hands in the mishandling of this and/or previous cases.

Also... I still take great issue with this slavecatcher token-ass "black friend" who can vouch on his 'gut feeling' - which are totally permissable in a court of law - whose claims don't stand up to common fucking sense when it is painfully obvious that he does not know the accused.
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A character witness would do best to actually KNOW the person he is cosigning.

[KiLLeR2001]

I'm not taking sides. There's a lot of things that can happen and its all a lot of he said / she said as of right now. But from the looks of Zimmerman's past, he seems a bit unstable.

[nomoremk2]

What's there to debate? This should and probably will be debated in a court room.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by nomoremk2

What's there to debate? This should and probably will be debated in a court room.

The debate (well not debate, but uproar) is that authorities have YET to bring charges or even approach this as if there should be.

[redline racer510]

Originally Posted by Phlip

The debate (well not debate, but uproar) is that authorities have YET to bring charges or even approach this as if there should be.

Maybe because there is a lack of evidence. You can't arrest someone based off of low quality telephone recording and if there is witnesses how come we haven't see or heard from any of them. Sounds like there using the recordings to make it seem like a hate crime when it could have been some other noise that sounds like he said the alleged hate words. You have to look at this from both sides. Just because the victim was killed does not make him any less guilty.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

Maybe because there is a lack of evidence. You can't arrest someone based off of low quality telephone recording and if there is witnesses how come we haven't see or heard from any of them. Sounds like there using the recordings to make it seem like a hate crime when it could have been some other noise that sounds like he said the alleged hate words. You have to look at this from both sides. Just because the victim was killed does not make him any less guilty.

The claim is that they refused to take the full statements of witnesses, and pressured neighbors to side with the shooter's claim of self-defense.
Sanford police have a history of fucking these kinds of investigations and seem to be trying to sweep this one under the rug instead of giving it the attention it deserves.
The “damned coons get away with everything” comment is why many people DEMAND that this get more attention, suggestive even that this should be handled as a federal hate crime, and not something to be weaseled out of with minor loopholes.

[TheWolf]

Originally Posted by Phlip

The claim is that they refused to take the full statements of witnesses, and pressured neighbors to side with the shooter's claim of self-defense.
Sanford police have a history of fucking these kinds of investigations and seem to be trying to sweep this one under the rug instead of giving it the attention it deserves.
The “damned coons get away with everything” comment is why many people DEMAND that this get more attention, suggestive even that this should be handled as a federal hate crime, and not something to be weaseled out of with minor loopholes.

The only "witness" I've heard about is one that she says she "heard" zimmerman on top of martin.

I don't know how strong of a witness that is. Being on the phone with someone and then "hearing them get pushed" and the phone going dead doesn't really inspire confidence in the "without a reasonable doubt" part of the court case.

With all the drama this case has generated, you better have an airtight case against the guy.

[Jybfan04]

Originally Posted by redline racer510

Maybe because there is a lack of evidence. You can't arrest someone based off of low quality telephone recording and if there is witnesses how come we haven't see or heard from any of them. Sounds like there using the recordings to make it seem like a hate crime when it could have been some other noise that sounds like he said the alleged hate words. You have to look at this from both sides. Just because the victim was killed does not make him any less guilty.

SMH...

Evidence number one, he called 911 they told him to stand down he instead followed him.

Evidence number two, he was a self appointed neighborhood watch captain

Evidence number three, how can you claim self defense when the person your defending yourself from doesn't have any weapon?



Race aside, I just ask people to think logically.

Everything about this case is wrong..

Period point blank!

Originally Posted by imotion s14

Anyone know why this angel was suspended from school for 5 days?

So being suspended from school for 5 days mean what?

Please try to find a way to make a rationale argument in how that matters in anyway shape or form?

ps....


I'll wait patiently!

Originally Posted by Corbic

I don't think anyone has sided with Zimmerman. The question was posed should police arrest and jail you based on petitions and public opinion.

Second, the sources of your information are questionable and agenda driven.

Example: you state Zimmy called the police 11 times in 3 months - as if it shows he is bad. Ever think this shows he is just doing his "job" as the watchmen? Maybe this is why he ignored the request to break off pursuit. Maybe that's how it always goes "okay we'll look into it" and they never do, thus he now feels its up to him.

If he's had so much contact with him, and there are complaints, why are the cops not looking into this "loose cannon"?

Lastly, none of this answers what the kid was doing there in the first place. As my old man always says "nothing good happens after midnight".

I think a lot of individuals mistake the purpose of the petitions...

They aren't meant to wrongfully jail anyone, but to ensure that due diligence is done. Its no reason, this man shouldn't be locked up pending the investigation. Nothing about this case screams self defense, i'm sorry.

[theicecreamdan]

A hoodie is not suspicious clothing. A lot of people wear them, even when its warm.

Originally Posted by Jybfan04

Evidence number three, how can you claim self defense when the person your defending yourself from doesn't have any weapon?

You don't need a "weapon" to be deadly/cause major bodily harm.

[SimpleS14]

Ugh, it's very disheartening that they are not taking full statements and the guy still didn't get indicted.

[Phlip]

Then the police chief steps down:

U.S. News - Police chief steps down temporarily over handling of Trayvon Martin case

[KiLLeR2001]

Sanford Police Speak Out In Trayvon Martin Case - Yahoo! News

More details, apparently Martin attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman decided to follow him, the screams for help were from Zimmerman, Martin's own father said the screams for help were not from his son.

[Matej]

In my opinion both sides are at fault. In the end, the outcome was just a matter of who had a gun. Although this story would never make national news if it was the kid who shot the guy.

I imagine the guy automatically assumed the kid was up to no good and confronted him, and instead of explaining his situation the kid probably started mouthing off and growing aggressive, and from there it could only go downhill.

Whether the kid really was doing something suspicious or just happened to be walking down the street would play an important role, but I doubt that can ever be established without reliable witnesses.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Matej

Whether the kid really was doing something suspicious or just happened to be walking down the street would play an important role, but I doubt that can ever be established without reliable witnesses.

This was not a clean shoot.

The problem is Zimmerman was "neighborhood watch" not "neighborhood confront". He called the police, they told him to go home and they would look into it.

Since the kid had actually done nothing (yet) and Zimmerman had no idea who he was and what not.

You can't call someone a horses ass in a bar and when he stands up shoot him because "self defense". That is what Zimmerman did. He put himself in a conflict situation (confronting the kid) and them used deadly force when (surprise) conflict happened.

Manslaughter, reckless endangerment ect. I don't think Zimmerman intended to hurt or kill the kid, but that doesn't mean he has the right to turn his brain off.

[S14DB]

Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible For [His] Death As George Zimmerman' (VIDEO)

It's the Hoodie's fault!

[Highway Riding]

If Zimmerman doesn't get charged soon somehow game over. As of now Under Florida's law no crime has been committed and that in itself is the problem. Guy seemed like a loose cannon and someone was bound to get shot by him.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Highway Riding

If Zimmerman doesn't get charged soon somehow game over. As of now Under Florida's law no crime has been committed and that in itself is the problem. Guy seemed like a loose cannon and someone was bound to get shot by him.

You realize there is no statute of limitations for homicide, right?

This is what is pissing me off. Everyone is screaming "ARREST HIM" like some-sort of idiotic lynch mob.

The kid is dead. Nothing is brining him back. Zimmerman is not going anywhere. Chill the fuck out, calm the fuck down.

Would you not rather see a calm, logical trial with a unbiased jury or do you want some lunacy with charges of Hate-Crimes and 1st Degree Murder and have the guy acquitted because its bullshit?

Where was all the outrage with Casey Anthony?

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Highway Riding

If Zimmerman doesn't get charged soon somehow game over. As of now Under Florida's law no crime has been committed and that in itself is the problem. Guy seemed like a loose cannon and someone was bound to get shot by him.

"You cannot provoke the confrontation. You cannot be the instigator and then claim 'stand your ground,' Sundby said.

George Zimmerman Unprotected By Self-Defense Law in Trayvon Martin Killing, Florida Lawmakers Say

[Highway Riding]

Originally Posted by S14DB

George Zimmerman Unprotected By Self-Defense Law in Trayvon Martin Killing, Florida Lawmakers Say

Interesting!

[nomoremk2]

I can't believe the statement, "I urge black and Latino parents to not let their kids go out wearing hoodies." what the hell is wrong with these people.

[HyperTek]

People are lying in this case, those for Zimmerman.

If the fucktard listened to police and let them handle it, all would have been well, but he thought he would be superman and see whats up. When ever did someone "acting suspicious" be warrant to investigate for no random reason?

As it turns out he was visiting the area so maybe he was walking around looking at everything to try to go back to the house he was visiting.. while talking on the phone to his girlfriend. His girlfriend telling him to run after seeing this strange guy following him.

Remember that one case of the college student who commited suicide, and they are still investigating that case on who teased him, if they can look into that, i don't see why this can't be further investigated.

[sky53line]

Neighborhood Watch Movie Trailer - YouTube

[TheWolf]

"More than 1.5 million people have signed Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton's petition demanding that their son's confessed killer be arrested. A federal investigation has been announced. Thousands have rallied and marched around the country. Every major news outlet in America has covered his story. President Obama even spoke to the tragedy of Trayvon's senseless death: "If I had a son," said the president, "he'd look like Trayvon."

But one thing still hasn't happened -- Trayvon's killer still has not been brought to justice."


My question is, if we have a million people sign a petition and hold some rally's can we get anyone we want arrested?