The Future Automotive Thread

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Corbic

fixed that for you.

Same guy.

[exitspeed]

Well we're finally getting a TT VQ.

Other than the VR38, Nissan isn't keen on building an engine for just one car. Odds are this is going into more cars.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Well we're finally getting a TT VQ.

Other than the VR38, Nissan isn't keen on building an engine for just one car. Odds are this is going into more cars.

are you referring to the VQ thats going in the G37 coupe successor? (the Q60 or whatever the fuck that audi branding idiot changed the name to )

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

are you referring to the VQ thats going in the G37 coupe successor? (the Q60 or whatever the fuck that audi branding idiot changed the name to )

Shit, was in a hurry and forgot the link. No, a new VQ35DETT.
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/15/2...o-v6-official/

EDIT: NM, you're right. Same engine. Pretty cool though. Silver lining.

[Future240]

Read the article noticed a few key things from the release.

The 3.0-liter V6 twin-turbo engine family will first be available in the 2016 Infiniti Q50 sports sedan

ombination of drivability, efficiency, and performance. The VR engines will be used in new Infiniti models that have been engineered to satisfy every Infiniti market worldwide, signaling the growing presence of the brand globally.

I wonder what else will be getting the new plants.

So Nissan will have a 300-400hp 3.0 V6 twin turbo. Sounds like a great engine for the new Z.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

So Nissan will have a 300-400hp 3.0 V6 twin turbo. Sounds like a great engine for the new Z.

I hope it has way more than that. Current VQ37 is 330-350hp.

For a performance car, Nissan needs to be in the 450+ range to keep up with the V8s.

[dorkidori_s13]

the new Z is already slated to feature the twin turbo 3.0 litre (i think i spilled this a few months back). though, it may be a trim option, not 100% on that yet. supposedly to combat the competition, the new Z will receive a bit of a diet in terms of overall weight.

only draw back is that ALL of the G/Q/whatever models are now ALL automatic. the G37 was the last Infiniti to receive stick.

[drift freaq]

I am not feeling the steer by wire thing. BMW went down the road of electric assist steering and the steering feel of them has suffered for it.

[Lees_Garage]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

BMW went down the road of electric assist steering and the steering feel of them has suffered for it.

I think this happens when manufacturers initially switch over, but after a couple years they get the "bugs" worked out and the steering feel can be pretty good.

Nothing can beat the feel of a good manual rack in a lightweight car though.

[simmode1]

Hmmm. A 3L TT V6... I would have preferred a single turbo for simplicity, but oh well. Should suit the next Z just fine. Fairly certain their shooting for 400hp+ at this point. Maybe they'll return to the 300ZX name...


BUT I don't envision such a car selling for less than $40k. Maybe even $45k+. There is no way the Z can remain entry level, I don't think. Unless they sell an N/A version. But I'd rather they just give us a true entry level turbo Silvia under $30k to round out the performance line.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

I hope it has way more than that. Current VQ37 is 330-350hp.

For a performance car, Nissan needs to be in the 450+ range to keep up with the V8s.

You make a good point. The mustang has just about the best bang for buck. If Nissan can make it weight 500LBS+ less than the mustang I think 400 could work. Though from a marketing stand point 450+ would be best.


Interesting how things are shaping up. GTR, twin turbo 370......leaves room for one more car. Especially considering they are borrowing a 2.0 L turbo from Mercedes. That engine makes 208HP, however Mercedes has a performance version that makes now 375

For the 2016 year model, Mercedes-AMG has increased the horsepower of the CLA 45. [31] It now has 375 hp @ 6,000 rpm which sprints the car from 0-60 in only 4.1 seconds compared to the previously 4.4 seconds on 355 hp

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Lees_Garage

I think this happens when manufacturers initially switch over, but after a couple years they get the "bugs" worked out and the steering feel can be pretty good.

Steering is more electronics than human effort on new cars anyway, so just give us this already. Cannot wait to buy a Nardi joystick.

[exitspeed]

Some more details on the new VQTT.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/check-e...3-0-liter-v-6/

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Matej

Steering is more electronics than human effort on new cars anyway, so just give us this already. Cannot wait to buy a Nardi joystick.

Except that's not how it works. You can actually modify the input signal for assist. With assist off, it's a manual steering rack.

[simmode1]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Some more details on the new VQTT.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/check-e...3-0-liter-v-6/

Oh now, that sounds sweet. Didn't anticipate them using the same engine for both a base & premium option. And the turbos are still bolt on! That makes things interesting...

[dorkidori_s13]

only bitch of the matter is that the intercoolers are air to water instead of air to air. gonna make upgrading them kind of a pain in the ass... and that speed sensor on the turbos, that should be a blasty blast to eliminate when tuning

though it will be nice to see a return of a 300z instead of a 390z or 400z maybe well see a 4 cyl turbo variant in the next Z as well judging how closely the Z and G always followed one another.

[simmode1]

On a side note - I feel conflicted about the 300hp VR engine. I mean, the VG30DETT was doing that in 1989. That option better be cheap AF.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Except that's not how it works. You can actually modify the input signal for assist. With assist off, it's a manual steering rack.

Except there is no button on cars to switch the assist off and magically convert the steering into a true manual rack, so it hardly matters anymore whether the mechanical input comes from a human or an electric servo.
The Mercedes prototype is from the 90s and it was extensively tested and driven on public roads for thousands of kilometers. With today's technology companies could be making cars that are steered with Xbox controllers.
Steering wheels will become obsolete. Combustion engines are for dinosaurs. Hello future.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

only bitch of the matter is that the intercoolers are air to water instead of air to air. gonna make upgrading them kind of a pain in the ass... and that speed sensor on the turbos, that should be a blasty blast to eliminate when tuning

though it will be nice to see a return of a 300z instead of a 390z or 400z maybe well see a 4 cyl turbo variant in the next Z as well judging how closely the Z and G always followed one another.

Yeah, that just seems par for the course today. Nothing gets easier to tune. lol. It's almost a no brainer that the Z will have the MB 2.0T and the TT. If anything it makes more sense to offer the 2.0T in the Z and not the Q60.

Originally Posted by simmode1

On a side note - I feel conflicted about the 300hp VR engine. I mean, the VG30DETT was doing that in 1989. That option better be cheap AF.

And lighter.


The Z HAS to be significantly lighter. GM engineers are doing awesome shit with adding lightness. Nissan has had a pretty strong commitment to lightness as well.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Matej

Steering wheels will become obsolete. Combustion engines are for dinosaurs. Hello future.

http://www.motoring.com.au/internal-...y-2050-100515/

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

http://www.motoring.com.au/internal-...y-2050-100515/

Gotta love the Lefties.

[simmode1]

On a sidenote about the new VR engine, Nissan makes the ugliest v6 intake manifolds imaginable. Would it really kill them to make something beautiful & compact like this from 1991:


The vg30dett doesn't look so needlessly bulky with this kind of intake manifold.

Oh another sidenote: Nissan, don't let the Corvette be the only one! Bring back the T-top!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Oh another sidenote: Nissan, don't let the Corvette be the only one! Bring back the T-top!

That's actually a good idea. When the Z came out in 02 it was the right car for the right time. It was obviously a good car but it had less great cars to compete with, which made it stand out more. The Z has lost so much luster in the last 14 years and it really needs to be something different, but still capitalize on its history. Design details like t tops would help restore some of its uniqueness. Multiple engines will help compete better.

I still can't decide if it's going to go upmarket, or down or try to more directly compete with Mustang/Camaro which are selling like crazy.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Matej

Except there is no button on cars to switch the assist off and magically convert the steering into a true manual rack, so it hardly matters anymore whether the mechanical input comes from a human or an electric servo.
The Mercedes prototype is from the 90s and it was extensively tested and driven on public roads for thousands of kilometers. With today's technology companies could be making cars that are steered with Xbox controllers.
Steering wheels will become obsolete. Combustion engines are for dinosaurs. Hello future.

Add one. Your on a 240sx forum, you should be willing to modify your car.


The problem with a joystick is you loose the direct steering shaft. So in the event a wire gets frayed, the battery goes dead, the ECU pops, you lose power or the car is not on, you have no way to turn the wheel.

EPAS is basically a manual rack and shaft with an electric motor attached to the shaft. It then senses you turning r a wheel and boosts the effort. Most cars have this hooked to a speed sensor so your inputs and feed back are carried based on vehicle speed. It becomes dynamic input/feed back.

[exitspeed]

Faaaaaawk!

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/20/2...lsa-el-camino/

[Future240]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Faaaaaawk!

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/12/20/2...lsa-el-camino/

Vauxhall even jokes in the announcement that this beast isn't for folks that value fuel economy or low emissions; it's all about muscle.

I'm glad someone knows not everyone cares about low emissions and fuel economy.






On a side note. Parked next to 4 cylinder mustang had after market exhaust. Sounded good on the low end. Kind of a weird sound coming from a Stang'. As he drove by you could hear the turbo's spooling. When he left the parking lot and got on it. Sounded kind of meh....

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Future240

I'm glad someone knows not everyone cares about low emissions and fuel economy.

It's not a car for the people at $82,000. It's likely a 1-200 unit deal just to draw up some attention.

Charger/Challenger SCAT PAK are both better deals and better looking.





497hp at $37,500...


I love the new Charger styling. Seeing all the cop cars makes me giddy to think in 5 years they could be cheap 4dr drift cars.

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by Corbic

It's not a car for the people at $82,000. It's likely a 1-200 unit deal just to draw up some attention.

That's exactly the point. Mission accomplished.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Charger/Challenger SCAT PAK are both better deals and better looking.


497hp at $37,500...


I love the new Charger styling. Seeing all the cop cars makes me giddy to think in 5 years they could be cheap 4dr drift cars.

I haven't like the Charger since day 1. This generation totally wins me over. The character lines on the doors still bother me, but the rest of the package is very solid. Especially bang-for-you-buck like you pointed out.

I still hate the big fat pig Challenger though.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Charger/Challenger SCAT PAK are both better deals and better looking.

why ANYONE would ever produce a car or want to own anything with the word SCAT in it is beyond me...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

why ANYONE would ever produce a car or want to own anything with the word SCAT in it is beyond me...

I'm surprised BMW or Mercedes didn't pick it up first.... being German and all.

I also still have no idea what the hell it means or references. Is it an acronym?