Test Mule. Solid Sub frame Risers off ebay and they are legit.

[Alex@GMS]

So my friends and I wanted PBM Solid subframe risers and even tho they say 100bux on PBMs site with CA tax and shipping they come out to 127 for the set. But by mistake we searched on ebay and found another company selling them. So we pulled straws and I lost . But now that the parts came they are legit!!!

Fast shipping which was nice but the quality of the bushings are amazing. My other friend got PBM a while back and they are exactly the same. Same size and both 6061.

So to clarify.... PBM=127shipped and Ebay R&R place=85shipped

Im super excited to put them in as mine are shot in the 14.

Here is the link to the ebay place. I did not find anyone else with them anywhere besides PBM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/R-R-N...Q5fAccessories

Some pics to show you

[tricky_ab]

So your friend didn't want to pony up the extra $27 to get what he originally wanted?

[SochBAT]

why not just pay the 27bucks and support your local shop? Tsk tsk.

[gerson408]

Originally Posted by Soooshi

why not just pay the 27bucks and support your local shop? Tsk tsk.

thats 27 Bucks to your local shop Pal. were over here in norcal we gotta pay the extra amount for shipping.

[surge s14]

waiting for the installed pics

[Renelovesnike]

Would have made sense if the ebay's where significantly cheaper in price but its like 27 chicken sandwiches difference!!!

i know im going pbm solid raisers, but hope theze work out/fit good for u!

[Alex@GMS]

Originally Posted by tricky_ab

So your friend didn't want to pony up the extra $27 to get what he originally wanted?

Originally Posted by Soooshi

why not just pay the 27bucks and support your local shop? Tsk tsk.

Originally Posted by Renelovesnike

Would have made sense if the ebay's where significantly cheaper in price but its like 27 chicken sandwiches difference!!!

i know im going pbm solid raisers, but hope theze work out/fit good for u!

The place is in California it seems. It came from Norcal Area Race&Republic. Whats even more funny is im in norcal also and never heard of it. Has to be new.

and 2nd

127 is the PBM price
85 is the R&R price

127-85=42bux

Some of you guys must be ballers but that 42bux I can use for gas or mounting tires again....lol

[soreballz]

I wish PBM would quit fucking around and make offset subframe risers already.

[fckillerbee]

Originally Posted by soreballz

I wish PBM would quit fucking around and make offset subframe risers already.

ummm...what? and by what...i mean....what do you mean in regards to "offset"

[soreballz]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

ummm...what? and by what...i mean....what do you mean in regards to "offset"

Offset as in, the hole is off-center, so you can use an S14 subframe in an S13. As of now, I *think* SPL is the only company that makes them, but they're costly thanks to all the extra doohickeys they come with that I don't need.

SPL solid subframe conversion bushings 240SX S13 S14 - SPL PARTS


(Yeah, my posts are off topic, so what, ya wanna fight about it?)

[PoorMans180SX]

Way to buy another Ebay knockoff and screw over PSM who did all the research and development.

This is what I call the "Wal-Mart mentality".

[dudermagee]

not sure how they are legit
1. you haven't even used them yet
2. They are knockoffs
stop being such a cheapskate, support the community and future inovations, buy the real deal

[icedsole]

its like, why would you buy the silver ones, when you could have cool gold ones
for 40 bucks more.

idk

[nathanong87]

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Way to buy another Ebay knockoff and screw over PSM who did all the research and development.

This is what I call the "Wal-Mart mentality".

i think calling it walmart mentality is a bit harsh..... these are just CAD'ed pieces which probably only took some measuring to see what would actually work. then once the CAD was complete, these can be milled or CNC'd or whatever. OR who knows...they could possibly be re-annodized pieces from the same place ebay got them from? (speculation).... i can probably cad up some risers in pro engineer right now honestly :P

i do not think PBM was the first to make subframe risers nor will they be the last. and when it comes to subframe risers or collars, i doubt any will be "better" than others.

i do agree with supporting a local shop if u can though. ebay cut and modded knuckles probably aren't the same as PBM... lol.

[fckillerbee]

so you cheaped out and bought ebay for a $42 dollar savings that will save you what? a few hours worth of your paycheck.....all to fuck pbm's rnd? Granted I buy cheap shit....but its from the locals....gotta support your community....they actually do give back.

[Alex@GMS]

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

so you cheaped out and bought ebay for a $42 dollar savings that will save you what? a few hours worth of your paycheck.....all to fuck pbm's rnd? Granted I buy cheap shit....but its from the locals....gotta support your community....they actually do give back.

Actually sir it ends up the place I got the bushings from on EBAY is local. So in other words I am. I live in norcal and the zip it came from is a Norcal Zipcode.

[Katsumbhong]

Hold Up HOLD UP!

It's his own damn money! He can spend it however the fcuk he wants to!

[icedsole]

no man this is zilvia !

[STEEZxIT]

Whats with all the PBM's snatch scratchers??

for some people $40 can go a long way. Hell thats a Formula for my toddler for 1 week or so.

If you talkin about supportin your local shop or what-not, why dont the shop drop their price? im sure these ebay are the same material as what they use. They want to rack up the price because of their cool name. w/e.

I have Megan tracks coilovers. bout the same price as PBM's. why pick PBM over megan? why not? I personally love the way it rides.

[gerson408]

Originally Posted by STEEZxIT

Whats with all the PBM's snatch scratchers??

for some people $40 can go a long way. Hell thats a Formula for my toddler for 1 week or so.

If you talkin about supportin your local shop or what-not, why dont the shop drop their price? im sure these ebay are the same material as what they use. They want to rack up the price because of their cool name. w/e.

I have Megan tracks coilovers. bout the same price as PBM's. why pick PBM over megan? why not? I personally love the way it rides.

The Truth why would i pay that extra amount for a orange color??

[STEEZxIT]

Originally Posted by gerson408

The Truth why would i pay that extra amount for a orange color??

truth be told brotha. lol....

if you were siding with me.

but really, Ebay is a hit or miss. even their quick release and deep dish steering wheel.

People pay $100+ for a deep dish wheel when you can get em on EBAY for $40 shipped. Same design, stiching. depth of the wheel and size. i guess you really do pay extra for the "name".. quick releases are $30 shipped on ebay, ive owned 3. and none of em gave me problem.

If people want to pay extra for whats called "quality" and name brand. let it be it. but vice versa for the people who is taking their chances.

[Marcus]

duudee. come on..




i mean seriously. wtf. knock off parts? i hate you people.

Originally Posted by STEEZxIT

Whats with all the PBM's snatch scratchers??

for some people $40 can go a long way. Hell thats a Formula for my toddler for 1 week or so.

.

understood. im all for saving money. everyone is looking for the deepest discounts.

but if formula is a priority, then subframe risers are should not even be considered. besides, subframe risers are not even a necessity. that $85 couldve been spent somewhere better.

so OP can afford to buy something so recreational/unnecessary as the risers, but cant man up and buy a legit part. weak

Originally Posted by STEEZxIT

true story. cant argue there. but what makes you think PBM's aint doing the same thing to save a few bucks on their end naw'mean.

i guarantee they are whatever Dan says they are.

[STEEZxIT]

Originally Posted by Marcus

duudee. come on..




i mean seriously. wtf. knock off parts? i hate you people.




understood. im all for saving money. everyone is looking for the deepest discounts.

but if formula is a priority, then subframe risers are should not even be considered. besides, subframe risers are not even a necessity. that $85 couldve been spent somewhere better.

so OP can afford to buy something so recreational/unnecessary as the risers, but cant man up and buy a legit part. weak

True. i see what you talkin about, but for me. Im not goen the route some of you guys might want to head. Dooing it big going to FD or D1 or what not. So ofcourse you want quality name brand parts. I jst buy em for shits and giggles. Its a phase for me thats all. Really dont want to be over spending on parts.

[ryan hagen]

Any high school student in machine shop coupld make these if i gave him about 5 measurements.............. so when something is so easy to make i cant see making such a big deal about a "rip off part" I cant even see much for R&D going into a part such as this. Spl would be considered a fancy copy then

and after Mike Pollard's PBM part failure it was enough to make me continue to make my own parts. Then i dont feel bad if anything breaks.

i notice at least in the midwest alot of the baller we buy every thing name brand cars never hit the track, they go through 3 year builds then get parted out, but i d say average here, the cars that show up to the track and run, have knock off parts, I d rather have track time and do 12 events a year, than worrie about paing 20% more on part so some company in socal that has cult following can sponsor a formula drift car. Most the arms in a s13 suspension can be easily made from a dirt track catalog. I'D take a afco/qa1 link over a china link any day. I make $11.50 a hour SO $40 with taxes involved is like 6 hours of work, or 40% of my entry fee for a track day.

[singlecamslam]

Yea but for 40 dollars more you get a piece of mind that they were tested. These ebay ones could fall apart for all i know, and if you had your toddler in the back seat, well you get the idea.

[STEEZxIT]

Originally Posted by singlecamslam

Yea but for 40 dollars more you get a piece of mind that they were tested. These ebay ones could fall apart for all i know, and if you had your toddler in the back seat, well you get the idea.

1. its aluminum risers. if the OEM rubber doesnt fall apart and cause an accident, highly doubt this would.
2. I dont intend to put my toddler on any 240sx. or civic. but that's jst me. Theres my peace of mind.

Peace of mind do come to play alot. but does PBM test EACH AND EVERYONE of their product before shipping it out? They design it and test only ONE and go from there.


but iono. im not tryna to escalate an argument where people get offended. jst stating my .02.

[holemilk00]

Keep in mind there is no accountability for the ebay ones to guarantee they are actually 6061. Its ebay, they can say they are made of titanium and you can't do crap about if when you get them and they are made of chalk except give them bad feedback.

[STEEZxIT]

Originally Posted by holemilk00

Keep in mind there is no accountability for the ebay ones to guarantee they are actually 6061. Its ebay, they can say they are made of titanium and you can't do crap about if when you get them and they are made of chalk except give them bad feedback.

true story. cant argue there. but what makes you think PBM's aint doing the same thing to save a few bucks on their end naw'mean.

kinda like that EBAY suspension thread ive read here. Dude likes it, and its holdin up pretty well. i personally wouldnt take chances that low, but they like em' and thats what matters.

OP slap em on and let us know how it is. Peace Zilvia.

[holemilk00]

Originally Posted by STEEZxIT

true story. cant argue there. but what makes you think PBM's aint doing the same thing to save a few bucks on their end naw'mean.

kinda like that EBAY suspension thread ive read here. Dude likes it, and its holdin up pretty well. i personally wouldnt take chances that low, but they like em' and thats what matters.

OP slap em on and let us know how it is. Peace Zilvia.

I agree to a point, no real harm in trying something out, just be aware of what consumer laws protect you. As for accountability between PBM and ebay, PBM has to have a US Tax ID number, alone with a business license because they are a wholesaler, an ebay seller doesn't. That means that if PBM has problems, they have to carry insurance to cover their liability, can you guess what happens if you buy something off eBay and it fails on you and someone gets hurt? Just read the ToS for eBay, we use it in grad school as an example of loop holing and most of my professors are amazed that the government still allows people to do business on eBay because there are no laws for consumers that cover it. You're basically out in the cold. For example, if I build a gokart and sell it at a yard sale, the gokart breaks and kills or severely injures the kids riding it, I have liability because of how the transaction took place. Now if I had sold the same gokart on eBay then I have no legal liability to the buyer for the failure of the gokart, eBay's TOS protects me as a seller, and any buyer agrees to it when you create an account.

Sorry I know that was really off topic, and these are subframe spacers so even if they fail chances of anyone getting hurt are EXTREMELY slim, just thought I would put some information out there.

[STEEZxIT]

Originally Posted by holemilk00

I agree to a point, no real harm in trying something out, just be aware of what consumer laws protect you. As for accountability between PBM and ebay, PBM has to have a US Tax ID number, alone with a business license because they are a wholesaler, an ebay seller doesn't. That means that if PBM has problems, they have to carry insurance to cover their liability, can you guess what happens if you buy something off eBay and it fails on you and someone gets hurt? Just read the ToS for eBay, we use it in grad school as an example of loop holing and most of my professors are amazed that the government still allows people to do business on eBay because there are no laws for consumers that cover it. You're basically out in the cold. For example, if I build a gokart and sell it at a yard sale, the gokart breaks and kills or severely injures the kids riding it, I have liability because of how the transaction took place. Now if I had sold the same gokart on eBay then I have no legal liability to the buyer for the failure of the gokart, eBay's TOS protects me as a seller, and any buyer agrees to it when you create an account.

Sorry I know that was really off topic, and these are subframe spacers so even if they fail chances of anyone getting hurt are EXTREMELY slim, just thought I would put some information out there.

No you're right, i see what you're saying. And i support on what PBM's are doing. But to me, this whole 240sx is a phase, like i stated above. Im not tryna to make a career out of it. So something i can swing by and use for a few months or so. Ill go for it. When it comes to really important car parts, water pump, brakes and such. i dont go cheap on those.