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josephin510 · 06-03-2012, 01:32 PM

Nice really really nice.

onehundredoctane · 06-03-2012, 03:45 PM

I would say clip the shock towers out of R32 or 33 and weld them in place of the S14 shock towers. At least then you won't have to have custom coil overs etc. You can't deny the badassness of seeing axles in the front of an S chassis

TinMan09 · 06-04-2012, 04:33 PM

subscribing.

pokey_ · 06-04-2012, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Endurance Motorsports

Geoff actually offers that as a kit. It's a nice setup!

I did talk to them and they never actually made a kit. Well not one they will sell to you but they will install it for you. That is why I went forward with my ideas.

AND V8!

pokey_ · 06-04-2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane

I would say clip the shock towers out of R32 or 33 and weld them in place of the S14 shock towers. At least then you won't have to have custom coil overs etc. You can't deny the badassness of seeing axles in the front of an S chassis

Don't need custom coilovers as the Maxima's mount up exactly the same. Finished my 300z lsd swap into my 92 240, and manual seat belt conversion and tomorrow night I am working on its dash....

Night after that I will pull the 240 front knuckles and mount the Maxima's to give everyone an idea of what I am going for. If the spindle count is the same then I am GOOD TO GO! Any one know the counts?????

Working on getting a R33 crossmember now.......

bb4_96 · 06-04-2012, 07:52 PM

A g35x uses similar coilover setup to 240sx

pokey_ · 06-04-2012, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bb4_96

A g35x uses similar coilover setup to 240sx

I didn't realize that! Now that is another great option. Thanks for the info I will start researching those now as well.

Imarvin240 · 06-05-2012, 07:27 PM

full-race has a complete AWD kit for the S14. not sure on the price, you have to call. figured its another option for you, though.

redhatchy92 · 06-05-2012, 07:36 PM

damn thats awesome vh and awd GLWB

onehundredoctane · 06-05-2012, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imarvin240

full-race has a complete AWD kit for the S14. not sure on the price, you have to call. figured its another option for you, though.

Oh you mean this. . .

?

Def be the easiest route, but when a company doesn't list pricing it scares me lol

pokey_ · 06-06-2012, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onehundredoctane

Oh you mean this. . .

?

Def be the easiest route, but when a company doesn't list pricing it scares me lol

I hadn't seen that. Called them again. $5k. Asked if they would break the kit up as I am not doing the skyline suspension bits. He said he would ask and get back to me. My R33 xmember fell through it was for a 2wd ;-(

sterlinge · 06-07-2012, 10:27 PM

I dont see your front diff in any pics..how are you going to mount it to the engine?

hotlavaflow · 06-07-2012, 11:03 PM

Subscribed...

onehundredoctane · 06-08-2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlinge

I dont see your front diff in any pics..how are you going to mount it to the engine?

I would venture to guess that this will be achieved the same way it is in the GT-R's, incorporating it into the oil pan somehow.

Te37 · 06-08-2012, 09:48 AM

Subscribed! i only remember only ever seeing one other s14 awd...it had an rb26 or something

Minz · 06-08-2012, 08:24 PM

Here's a S14 AWD with a RB25DETT Neo. I think this is what you're referring to Te37.

future · 06-08-2012, 08:53 PM

At first i was really happy for this thread, something different then the normal st swap.

But the i realized you just started this build, something like this should not be posted till its almost done. I feel like your getting ahead of yourself, but i hope you prove me wrong and finish this!

S14TEENZ · 06-08-2012, 08:57 PM

Insane......

viksz33 · 06-08-2012, 09:06 PM

Cant wait to the see this finished!

Blackzenki82 · 06-08-2012, 09:13 PM

have you ever owned a GTR or a GTS4 to understand exactly how the AWD works?

How are you going to run the front diff, and axles? The RB26 and GTS4 RB20 had cast aluminum pans, but for a inline 6... The VH was never offered in AWD...

Leaves me scratching my head as to how you're going to run the front driveshaft to a diff, through the pan, and into the front half shafts...

That's not even counting getting the ATESSA-ETS to work properly, that's a whole 'nother animal, as GTR's and GTS4's are in a sense, 2wd, and the ATESSA-ETS computer controls front wheel bias based on G load/slip. HKS Kansai made a AWD controller, but when left on max, the weak front diff would grenade.

If you somehow graft the 26/GTS4 oil pan, and need a touger diff, don't pay out the ass for a skyline diff, the LSD's used in the Honda H22 drop right in, and can be had for around $400.

SLiDe_WaYz · 06-08-2012, 10:57 PM

Don't doubt this man, he may try to come off as "not knowing what he is doing" and lost. But in reality he knows. He has a AWD Durango with a Viper V10 in it that is supercharged with full Viper interior as in 4 seats 2 in front, 2 in back.

I'm pulling for ya bro, I think you can have this finished by the end of the year, if you stop spending money on the SR coupe you bought from me. Haha.

Blackzenki82 · 06-08-2012, 11:12 PM

Not doubting him, but grafting a inline 6's computer controlled AWD system on to a V8 that was never offered in AWD, will be difficult, but retarded awesome in the end none the less.

Mirage · 06-10-2012, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackzenki82

The VH was never offered in AWD...

Never?

Blackzenki82 · 06-10-2012, 11:43 AM

Cima?

well, lets get this rolling then.

budlite · 06-10-2012, 12:40 PM

^^checkmate

Blackzenki82 · 06-10-2012, 01:47 PM

ReaperBJJ · 06-11-2012, 05:03 PM

I can't wait till you make some more progress on this build, what generation maxima do you plan on getting knuckles from? Do the hubs have the same spline count as the skyline half shafts?

Cima · 06-12-2012, 01:28 AM

im totally digging this, but will def take some inginuity and alot of wireing lol

stilmissmysti · 06-12-2012, 03:00 AM

subscribed!!!!

pokey_ · 06-12-2012, 10:08 PM

I agree I might have jumped the gun on posting this build but having multiple opinions/ideas may shed new light on issues I have ran into or not thought of. Things will start moving a lot quicker once I get the 92 sr20 car reliable so my son can start learning to drive the 91 hatch. Got laid off from one of my three jobs so I have more time but less money. :-(

I have 94 maxima spindles. Being the pair cost $46 it is a low cost alternative and cheap for testing. Spindle count will determine if I go custom. I had GTR axles on their way but ??????

I haven't located a GTR crossmember yet so currently the s14 one is holding the v-8 up as I measure clearances and decide what I will be cutting and moving. Once I have all these numbers I will pull the v8 out and start the front diff modification. Below is my current tight spot. If I could move this back just a little more then the body mounts for the tranny crossmember will not have to be cut and the shifter will line up almost perfectly to the stock location. I have started pulling the interior but life and sr20's have happened.

At first I was planning on modifying the GTR oilpan to replace the VH45's then looking at how shallow the factory VH pan is I am leaning more towards chopping up the GTR pan and leaving the VH pan in place. The RB pan rails are wider than the VH45's so it can fit around it. I do have to "thread the needle" as the front output shaft has to go between the starter and the slave cylinder. That ultimately decides where the front diff will be located.

Controlling the AWD. My current plan is to use a HICAS pump to provide the 300psi to engage the power split. Then using a car PC and intertia sensors vary the split. Most basic can be a simple on/off switch.

06-03-2012, 01:32 PM	#31
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06-05-2012, 07:27 PM	#38
Imarvin240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: king of prussia, PA! Posts: 1,721 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	full-race has a complete AWD kit for the S14. not sure on the price, you have to call. figured its another option for you, though. __________________ https://instagram.com/eck_matthew/

06-05-2012, 07:36 PM	#39
redhatchy92 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jersey Age: 34 Posts: 544 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	damn thats awesome vh and awd GLWB __________________ to be faster you have to slow down WTB OEM SILVIA AERO SKIRTS!!!!!! PM ME

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06-08-2012, 09:48 AM	#45
Te37 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Atlanta Age: 31 Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Subscribed! i only remember only ever seeing one other s14 awd...it had an rb26 or something __________________

06-03-2012, 03:45 PM	#32
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I would say clip the shock towers out of R32 or 33 and weld them in place of the S14 shock towers. At least then you won't have to have custom coil overs etc. You can't deny the badassness of seeing axles in the front of an S chassis

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TinMan09 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2012 Location: El Paso, Tx Posts: 52 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	subscribing.

06-04-2012, 07:52 PM	#36
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	A g35x uses similar coilover setup to 240sx

06-07-2012, 10:27 PM	#42
sterlinge Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Austin, TX Age: 34 Posts: 857 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	I dont see your front diff in any pics..how are you going to mount it to the engine?

06-08-2012, 08:24 PM	#46
Minz Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Zealand Age: 31 Posts: 61 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here's a S14 AWD with a RB25DETT Neo. I think this is what you're referring to Te37.

06-08-2012, 08:57 PM	#48
S14TEENZ Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: MD Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Insane...... __________________

06-08-2012, 09:06 PM	#49
viksz33 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 46 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Cant wait to the see this finished!

06-08-2012, 09:13 PM	#50
Blackzenki82 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: United Republic of BFE Age: 41 Posts: 1,203 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	have you ever owned a GTR or a GTS4 to understand exactly how the AWD works? How are you going to run the front diff, and axles? The RB26 and GTS4 RB20 had cast aluminum pans, but for a inline 6... The VH was never offered in AWD... Leaves me scratching my head as to how you're going to run the front driveshaft to a diff, through the pan, and into the front half shafts... That's not even counting getting the ATESSA-ETS to work properly, that's a whole 'nother animal, as GTR's and GTS4's are in a sense, 2wd, and the ATESSA-ETS computer controls front wheel bias based on G load/slip. HKS Kansai made a AWD controller, but when left on max, the weak front diff would grenade. If you somehow graft the 26/GTS4 oil pan, and need a touger diff, don't pay out the ass for a skyline diff, the LSD's used in the Honda H22 drop right in, and can be had for around $400. __________________

06-08-2012, 10:57 PM	#51
SLiDe_WaYz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2011 Location: Texas Age: 34 Posts: 1,282 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Don't doubt this man, he may try to come off as "not knowing what he is doing" and lost. But in reality he knows. He has a AWD Durango with a Viper V10 in it that is supercharged with full Viper interior as in 4 seats 2 in front, 2 in back. I'm pulling for ya bro, I think you can have this finished by the end of the year, if you stop spending money on the SR coupe you bought from me. Haha. __________________

06-08-2012, 11:12 PM	#52
Blackzenki82 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: United Republic of BFE Age: 41 Posts: 1,203 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Not doubting him, but grafting a inline 6's computer controlled AWD system on to a V8 that was never offered in AWD, will be difficult, but retarded awesome in the end none the less. __________________

06-10-2012, 11:43 AM	#54
Blackzenki82 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: United Republic of BFE Age: 41 Posts: 1,203 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Cima? well, lets get this rolling then. __________________

06-10-2012, 12:40 PM	#55
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06-11-2012, 05:03 PM	#57
ReaperBJJ Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brainerd, MN Age: 35 Posts: 132 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I can't wait till you make some more progress on this build, what generation maxima do you plan on getting knuckles from? Do the hubs have the same spline count as the skyline half shafts? __________________ '89 240sx-Track monster in progress '03 Grand Prix GTP-pepped up DD.

06-12-2012, 01:28 AM	#58
Cima Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: orlando Age: 33 Posts: 68 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	im totally digging this, but will def take some inginuity and alot of wireing lol __________________ Respect the KA

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stilmissmysti Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Bay Area Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	subscribed!!!!

06-12-2012, 10:08 PM	#60
pokey_ Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2012 Location: RUSTON, LA Posts: 82 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree I might have jumped the gun on posting this build but having multiple opinions/ideas may shed new light on issues I have ran into or not thought of. Things will start moving a lot quicker once I get the 92 sr20 car reliable so my son can start learning to drive the 91 hatch. Got laid off from one of my three jobs so I have more time but less money. :-( I have 94 maxima spindles. Being the pair cost $46 it is a low cost alternative and cheap for testing. Spindle count will determine if I go custom. I had GTR axles on their way but ?????? I haven't located a GTR crossmember yet so currently the s14 one is holding the v-8 up as I measure clearances and decide what I will be cutting and moving. Once I have all these numbers I will pull the v8 out and start the front diff modification. Below is my current tight spot. If I could move this back just a little more then the body mounts for the tranny crossmember will not have to be cut and the shifter will line up almost perfectly to the stock location. I have started pulling the interior but life and sr20's have happened. At first I was planning on modifying the GTR oilpan to replace the VH45's then looking at how shallow the factory VH pan is I am leaning more towards chopping up the GTR pan and leaving the VH pan in place. The RB pan rails are wider than the VH45's so it can fit around it. I do have to "thread the needle" as the front output shaft has to go between the starter and the slave cylinder. That ultimately decides where the front diff will be located. Controlling the AWD. My current plan is to use a HICAS pump to provide the 300psi to engage the power split. Then using a car PC and intertia sensors vary the split. Most basic can be a simple on/off switch.