Drift entrance techniques/form

[freckle]

some really good info

[!Zar!]

You don't need to go 60 to learn how to drift. Practice countersteer donuts first. Keep it low speed, the faster you go, the faster things can go wrong.

[jspec240]

[quote=BoostSlideWayz;3395266]

Originally Posted by jspec240

Im in your same position. Im using my GI bill to go to school so I only get 1k per month Im married with a 3yr old but I still manage. You got to hustle man. find out what parts sell cheap in the junk yards clean em up and resell. Ive been doin that for a couple years now and has helped tremendously. I was honorably discharged from the AF with an AS degree and a clean record almost three years ago and am still on the prowl. DONT GIVE UP MAN that feeling of sliding around a corner w/smoke flying beats any other fix out there too me any way

thanks i appriciate it.. i recently sold an old truck thats been sitting. now im selling my dirt bike... someday i will be able to.. or atleast i hope) and ill then know what its like..

ive tried drift with one of my cars once... in the magic mtn parking lot.. and i was like fuck it cuz the parking lot is soo huge. so i got it up to 60 and slighty pulled the brake. and i go one constant slide but then the transition spun me around and at the same time the security guy came and hes like.... What .. The Fuck are you doing ??? and i just looked at my steering wheel ( just practicing sir) and hes like ( alright well go do that somwhere else) its was cool

what kind of dirt bike? size?. I might be able to get your project goin if your interested in trades. ill send a pm

lol at the MM parking lot your crazy man... Id love to do that tho...

Originally Posted by !Zar!

You don't need to go 60 to learn how to drift. Practice countersteer donuts first. Keep it low speed, the faster you go, the faster things can go wrong.

True that..and the more skill needed to keep it controlled

[Flybert]

Yeah, I'll definitely be at this year's ASB. I don't think I've missed one yet. I didn't drive at 2 of them but this year the car is ready to go. It's going to be hot as shit again, hopefully not as bad as last years.

[jspec240]

Or we can just wait for the 4th... lol i need to take care of my drift craving and june was sounding a little far and warm.

anyone even remotely interested?

[jspec240]

I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?

[cfrost]

Originally Posted by jspec240

I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?

don't bother ever doing that

it sounds cool, which is why it's good for domain names, but as far as driving goes.. I've driven a lot of different cars and different tracks and never needed it

[fcdrifter20]

Originally Posted by jspec240

I was also wondering about shift lock... can you use it? if so how?

i dont think i have ever once had to use that, i've never found it necessary to have to use

[DJPimpFlex]

Shift lock is ok, but its pretty hard on most components. A well executed ebrake is better imo. Similar effect, but with less wear on clutch/tranny ect.

[slamburger]

100% agree with this guy ^^^

[240XTC]

IMO....Shift lock does wear the life of the drivetrain but great because you can keep both hands on the wheel

Versus

the original E-brake that and only wears on the brakes but takes a hand away from the wheel.

Shift locking is something to do here and there. Not every initiation/transition because my budget says so. :/

[!Zar!]

I use to shift lock. Never again though. Way too much stress I felt on the drivetran, plus it doesn't allow as precise control of how long it is locked up unlike using the ebrake.

[jspec240]

how is it done? but i doubt I will be exploring that method. Im assuming is would be like doin 80 and down shifting into 3rd gear.. lol

[240XTC]

As a beginner it was down shift about 100 feet before the turn and lift up on the clutch once you've gone through the turn.

During comps its done later. Down shift and lift up, after you've steered into the turn.

-If you might want to try it one day, do it in the rain. Less trauma to the drivetrain

[SUPERSTAR]

I stick my foot out and place it in between the blades of left rear wheel and bammm instant sliiiiiiiiiiide.

[renegade_ewok]

I didn't read the thread, but I think I can post a few of my experiences.

My S14: Almost anything worked. Ebrake entries were pretty consistent in 2nd gear (never got on a 3rd gear track actually with this car) but the key I found was keeping the revs at a good level, ready to hit boost right away if necessary for minor angle corrections.

I loved turning in and clutch kicking and just letting the car do its thing, but its kind of inconsistent (depending on what tire, speed, etc would dictate how fast the rear would start rotating out). Using the ebrake was always a, "Oh shit, I'm coming in too shallow" response for me... then again I don't have too much experience (only circuit patterns I've driven was a Wall, NJ layout and a skidpad with cones).

I never really did instantaneous entries until this weekend in a lexus GS300...

With that one I did a very quick flick, power into the corner till you can feel a mild slide in the rear. Once that happened I immediately got on the brake (not ebrake) to bring the rear of the car around. Its not a technique I ever really considered because I thought I would lose too much speed or the car would over rotate too quickly but it worked just fine. After you get enough angle I got right back on the power (mind you this was on open diff automatic non turbo GS300).

Drifted just fine but my line is still usually off.

Here is something I hear a lot of people talk about but haven't heard a true verdict...

Rear sway bar. Run one or not?

I know a bunch of people who drift without one but I do have one on my S14. The one difference I gathered from the two is that if you have a rear sway the car is less likely to "come back" when you push it harder. But then again, thats only a handful of driving experiences so yeah...

[!Zar!]

I am using a swaybar. I liked the way the car handled better after installing an aftermarket. Only car I wouldn't run a rear sway bar on would be something like an FC.

[renegade_ewok]

I hear FCs grip monsters and get good once you know how to drift and use the grip to your advantage... am I right in that assumption?

[RentonD]

So I have a really quick question. More of a setup question but what's the minimum tightness (tension) an e-brake should have in order to be effective on the track?

[DJPimpFlex]

Originally Posted by RentonD

So I have a really quick question. More of a setup question but what's the minimum tightness (tension) an e-brake should have in order to be effective on the track?

That is a 100% preference setting. I prefer hydro.

[jspec240]

Ive had success by tightening the tensioning bolt on the ebrake most of the way but dont overtighten. Just tighten gradually and test until you are satisfied. If that doesnt work change the rear breaks if they are worn. Ive never used a Hydro brake but Im in the process of purchasing one because they are the shit from what I have heard . That and most of the pros have them so it must make a significant difference.

[ericcastro]

I have used shift lock in the past.

I actually like what it does and the control you get.
But It will beat the shit out of your car.

So I suggest learning it.
Do it once your tires get real hot and slick.

Just have your RPMs up pretty high, so maybe 40mph in second gear, (KA)
clutch in, turn in, lift on clutch.
The engine will lock the wheels up for a minute while the crank and everything gets back up to the RPM's your driving at.

Now you actually have stepped the car out, have both hands on the wheeel and have instand access to RPMS.
But unlike a clutch kick, you didnt launch the car forwards when you initiated, you slowed it down like a ebrake, but have the RPM and sterring wheel control of a clutch kick.

make sense?

It is really ruff on the engine.
Its super rare I do it now.
And never on cold tires.

Its good to learn though.
Cause if you start doing grip/scca type events, you will probably do it on accident and should learn what it feels like and how to do a quik counter to keep control and your line.

[jspec240]

which case do you personally use the shift lock? have you used it in an event

[ericcastro]

By event you mean?

Like a contest.

Or just a track day?
I do everything and try everything at a track day. (no homo)

I usually will do it at the J turn on balcony.

Oh, I do it when i want to do a quick u turn.
Like on the str**t.
Or pulling back into the grid on balcony.


I think like everyone said, you should learn it to know it.
But its not a comon technique.

its also not as reliable as a clutch kick or ebrake.
You dont want to feint and turn in, clutch lock, and it doesnt step out, leaving you pushing towards the outside of a turn.

[jspec240]

I know s13's are easier to drift than the s14's but there is a turn angle kit for the s14. D-Max Turning Angle Up Adapter Kit

Has anyone used it? how much improvement is there?

[240XTC]

Originally Posted by jspec240

I know s13's are easier to drift than the s14's but there is a turn angle kit for the s14. D-Max Turning Angle Up Adapter Kit

Has anyone used it? how much improvement is there?

I like how 13s are lighter than 14s. I like how 14s are heavier than 13s.

I haven't used it. I would imagine there would be some mad angle for a longer time frame, especially at high speeds.

Has anyone used it?

[!Zar!]

To me s14's felt easier to drift personally. I actually want to install a s14 subframe into my s13.

But what makes you say those spacers will only work in a s14? They should work in both chassis I'd imagine.

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by !Zar!

To me s14's felt easier to drift personally. I actually want to install a s14 subframe into my s13.

But what makes you say those spacers will only work in a s14? They should work in both chassis I'd imagine.

Well Im friends with vaughn gittn jr, He has always said that to me and Ive researched and have seen most say s13 is easier to drift. I dont have much time in my s14 because Ive been building it but I spun out easier. (could have been many things but Ive always remembered what JR told me)

you know these are for the front steering right? just wondering cause you say you want to install the subframe which would indicate the rear. unless you are talking about changing over the whole front suspension and steering... not to insult you.

It could be many things and just because its JR dosent mean everything so thats not my supporting fact I have also went by others saying the same and when I did drift my s14 it was different but that could be just because I was use to the s13.

I do believe these will work in both chassis tho...

[yarou]

Originally Posted by jspec240

you know these are for the front steering right? just wondering cause you say you want to install the subframe which would indicate the rear. unless you are talking about changing over the whole front suspension and steering... not to insult you.

Yes he knows those are for front steering and hes saying they fit more than just s14. They fit s12,s13,s14,s15,z32 and probably more

[jspec240]

Originally Posted by yarou

Yes he knows those are for front steering and hes saying they fit more than just s14. They fit s12,s13,s14,s15,z32 and probably more

ahhh... I never said they would ONLY fit an s14, I was just saying that ive seen alot saying that this part really helps the s14's steering, which I thought to be inferior to the s13. Just throwing it out there...