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**RJF** · 10-20-2008, 03:16 PM

I'm not saying it, "Joe the Senator" is saying it will happen.

ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

"I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."

murda-c · 10-20-2008, 03:17 PM

I'm betting the russians, because they were a popular villian in alot of the movies i like.

spikNspan · 10-20-2008, 03:21 PM

Oh no a crisis, big deal. wtf do you think the country is in a state of right now? financial crisis, the next depression could be coming soon already!

ESmorz · 10-20-2008, 03:26 PM

ominous

SimpleS14 · 10-20-2008, 03:26 PM

:|

that is all.........

**RJF** · 10-20-2008, 03:28 PM

He said "international crisis".

I thought the world was going love us once Obama was elected?

ESmorz · 10-20-2008, 03:29 PM

Charlie will save us.

But will Emilio survive?

JRas · 10-20-2008, 03:35 PM

MudRacer · 10-20-2008, 03:36 PM

uh huh.. .

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-20-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murda-c

I'm betting the russians, because they were a popular villian in alot of the movies i like.

I think it's going to be the Chinese.

No wait!

Ze Germans!

vodka2 · 10-20-2008, 03:38 PM

russia eventually will team up with india and china to have 3.7 biillion people population and take over the world .. GG lol

HalveBlue · 10-20-2008, 03:50 PM

Read between the lines, what Bidden is really after is your unwavering support over apparently questionable decisions.

That really worries me, as that's basically asking the American people to undergo more of the same "with us/or against us" philosophy been in force over the last few years.

What is it with politicians always trying to sell us the grandeur of blind patriotism? Why be afraid of criticism? If it's a good idea inevitable criticism should be of the constructive kind if anything.

*exitspeed* · 10-20-2008, 03:57 PM

I think it's going to be zombie's.

240sxaddict · 10-20-2008, 04:00 PM

Questioning the government is not a right but a responsibility of a U.S. citizen. Be unwavering in your love and pride in the nation, but always question authority and keep it in check. The government is elected by the people, for the people. But right now it seems the government is elected by the sheep to control the sheep.

Level of support for obama through a crisis (if he is elected) should be established based on the crisis at hand, not just because he is president.

shishcabobers · 10-20-2008, 04:04 PM

txrxs · 10-20-2008, 04:04 PM

that's an unnerving statement honestly.

but yeah

cc4usmc · 10-20-2008, 04:24 PM

I need to get myself some guns before everything falls apart lol.

Anyone ever play this game?

ronmcdon · 10-20-2008, 04:27 PM

"US will be hit by international crisis if Obama is elected" I think anyone who gets elected the next president is going to have to deal with many crisis period. With the way the OP words it, it implies a cause & effect relationship, which I find difficult to believe.

Biden is correct, not that it was difficult to predict. Actually, I think the Taliban & Pakistan will be the biggest problem. Obama will have a lot of crap to clean up in the next 4 yrs. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes now.

Russia, I'm not too worried about this point. The hit to them financially isn't going to allow for too much more miliatary invasions in the near future. If anything, it's encouraging ppl from Europe put their $$$ in the US instead of Russian and eastern Europe.

Actually in some sense it's a good question to debate whether or not McCain really would be best to deal with the international crisis at hand. Do we really need another hawkish president at this point? I'm glad that at least Obama believes that we should have focused more rebuilding Afganistan and chasing down the other OBL instead of starting something in Iraq. At least he acknowledges the need for some intervention at the right place.

Om1kron · 10-20-2008, 04:31 PM

what would republican jesus do.

midnight zenki · 10-20-2008, 04:42 PM

This just means he's going to have to put his foot up some yet to be named country/group's ass just like Kennedy did to the USSR during the Cuban crisis.

Maybe McCain can fly back up and purge us of another 5 planes we don't need during the operations

P.S. don't even bring up the bay of pigs we still backed them down.

ESmorz · 10-20-2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Om1kron

what would republican jesus do.

Kill 'Em All.

Yay for nukes.

Icy13 · 10-20-2008, 05:11 PM

What RJF said:
As a young and popular politician, Barack Obama will be tested by the old guard to see if he is full of empty promises or a serious politician/ world leader. Not only is this always the case, but Obama/Biden are welcoming it and saying that just because the world doesnt love us instantly doesnt mean they wont respect us under and Obama/Biden adminsitration

And as a conservative, you think this is bad....

:'(

SexPanda · 10-20-2008, 05:14 PM

lol.

Russians will invade the southwest, and MO will be the frontline of the new war... Between the ritious Americans and the evil zombie russians...

Oh yeah, the russians will be zombies.

lil240sx95 · 10-20-2008, 05:15 PM

I'm sure no matter who is elected, an international crisis is inevitable.

Flipzide · 10-20-2008, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy13

What RJF said:
And as a conservative, you think this is bad....

:'(

it's funny because RJF didn't say any of that. it's clearly a quote from joe biden and RJF did not express any opinions in the OP.

Matej · 10-20-2008, 05:24 PM

Duh, of course the world won't instantly love the US if Obama becomes president, anyone who thought so is an idiot.
The US would have to make up for a lot of things and undergo many changes for the world to love it.
However, Obama as president would at least be a step in the right direction as far is working towards patching up foreign relations goes.

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

... "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right."
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So what Biden is saying is that it will be more of the same. Unpopular decisions will be made internationally except he will need our help to spread the positive propaganda that all is well. Yeah, I can hardly wait to lose at least two of our precious amendments if he is elected. Unless you have your head up your ass you know which two I am talking about.

Matej · 10-20-2008, 05:39 PM

There are many different kinds of unpopular decisions.

Going to war is an unpopular decision.
Pulling out of that war is an unpopular decision to many.
Raising taxes is an unpopular decision.

You can't constantly keep promising people what they want to hear. You can't constantly keep promising lower taxes. Sadly, idiots are eating that up. If a presidential candidate dared say he'll raise taxes for everyone, he would get chewed up by the people and the media. Same goes for many other things, even though they could benefit everyone in the long run, but most people don't seem to have a sense of future.

I am against the US getting involved in any more international conflicts.
However, I would be all for higher taxes, as long as I know that the money would go towards good things, such as health care or the economy.

People need to make educated decisions, and stop trying to classify everything as black or white (no pun intended).
Facing "unpopular decisions" could mean many things, and something different to everyone.

JeremyR · 10-20-2008, 05:41 PM

ughh shouldnt this thread and the first amendment thread be put into the political thread we ALREADY have?

98s14inaz · 10-20-2008, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240sxaddict

Questioning the government is not a right but a responsibility of a U.S. citizen. Be unwavering in your love and pride in the nation, but always question authority and keep it in check. The government is elected by the people, for the people. But right now it seems the government is elected by the sheep to control the sheep.

Level of support for obama through a crisis (if he is elected) should be established based on the crisis at hand, not just because he is president.

Real patriots question authority. I'm an independent, I question the stupid shit both parties are doing. Unfortunately the Reps are closer to my views so they end up with my vote. Otherwise it would be Ron Paul if he was still running.

10-20-2008, 03:16 PM	#1
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	US will be hit by international crisis if Obama is elected I'm not saying it, "Joe the Senator" is saying it will happen. ABC News' Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions. "Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy." "I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate," Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. "And he's gonna need help. And the kind of help he's gonna need is, he's gonna need you - not financially to help him - we're gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it's not gonna be apparent initially, it's not gonna be apparent that we're right." __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

10-20-2008, 03:17 PM	#2
murda-c Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montgomery County, MD Age: 36 Posts: 3,197 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'm betting the russians, because they were a popular villian in alot of the movies i like. __________________

10-20-2008, 03:21 PM	#3
spikNspan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Jeezy Age: 37 Posts: 488 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh no a crisis, big deal. wtf do you think the country is in a state of right now? financial crisis, the next depression could be coming soon already! __________________

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10-20-2008, 03:28 PM	#6
RJF Super Administrator & Bean Counter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Lone Tree, CO Posts: 2,400 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	He said "international crisis". I thought the world was going love us once Obama was elected? __________________ *Zilvia.net...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character*

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ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Charlie will save us. But will Emilio survive? __________________

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10-20-2008, 03:38 PM	#11
vodka2 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Los angeles Posts: 1,177 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	russia eventually will team up with india and china to have 3.7 biillion people population and take over the world .. GG lol

10-20-2008, 03:50 PM	#12
HalveBlue Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm somewhere where I don't know where I am! Posts: 1,549 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Read between the lines, what Bidden is really after is your unwavering support over apparently questionable decisions. That really worries me, as that's basically asking the American people to undergo more of the same "with us/or against us" philosophy been in force over the last few years. What is it with politicians always trying to sell us the grandeur of blind patriotism? Why be afraid of criticism? If it's a good idea inevitable criticism should be of the constructive kind if anything.

10-20-2008, 03:57 PM	#13
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240sxaddict Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: MD Age: 38 Posts: 89 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Questioning the government is not a right but a responsibility of a U.S. citizen. Be unwavering in your love and pride in the nation, but always question authority and keep it in check. The government is elected by the people, for the people. But right now it seems the government is elected by the sheep to control the sheep. Level of support for obama through a crisis (if he is elected) should be established based on the crisis at hand, not just because he is president.

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10-20-2008, 04:27 PM	#18
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 89 Posts: 4,260 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	"US will be hit by international crisis if Obama is elected" I think anyone who gets elected the next president is going to have to deal with many crisis period. With the way the OP words it, it implies a cause & effect relationship, which I find difficult to believe. Biden is correct, not that it was difficult to predict. Actually, I think the Taliban & Pakistan will be the biggest problem. Obama will have a lot of crap to clean up in the next 4 yrs. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes now. Russia, I'm not too worried about this point. The hit to them financially isn't going to allow for too much more miliatary invasions in the near future. If anything, it's encouraging ppl from Europe put their $$$ in the US instead of Russian and eastern Europe. Actually in some sense it's a good question to debate whether or not McCain really would be best to deal with the international crisis at hand. Do we really need another hawkish president at this point? I'm glad that at least Obama believes that we should have focused more rebuilding Afganistan and chasing down the other OBL instead of starting something in Iraq. At least he acknowledges the need for some intervention at the right place.

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10-20-2008, 04:42 PM	#20
midnight zenki Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CO Posts: 420 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	This just means he's going to have to put his foot up some yet to be named country/group's ass just like Kennedy did to the USSR during the Cuban crisis. Maybe McCain can fly back up and purge us of another 5 planes we don't need during the operations P.S. don't even bring up the bay of pigs we still backed them down.

10-20-2008, 05:11 PM	#22
Icy13 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 308 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: Icy13 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	What RJF said: As a young and popular politician, Barack Obama will be tested by the old guard to see if he is full of empty promises or a serious politician/ world leader. Not only is this always the case, but Obama/Biden are welcoming it and saying that just because the world doesnt love us instantly doesnt mean they wont respect us under and Obama/Biden adminsitration And as a conservative, you think this is bad.... :'(

10-20-2008, 05:14 PM	#23
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lol. Russians will invade the southwest, and MO will be the frontline of the new war... Between the ritious Americans and the evil zombie russians... Oh yeah, the russians will be zombies. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

10-20-2008, 05:24 PM	#26
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Duh, of course the world won't instantly love the US if Obama becomes president, anyone who thought so is an idiot. The US would have to make up for a lot of things and undergo many changes for the world to love it. However, Obama as president would at least be a step in the right direction as far is working towards patching up foreign relations goes.

10-20-2008, 05:39 PM	#28
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	There are many different kinds of unpopular decisions. Going to war is an unpopular decision. Pulling out of that war is an unpopular decision to many. Raising taxes is an unpopular decision. You can't constantly keep promising people what they want to hear. You can't constantly keep promising lower taxes. Sadly, idiots are eating that up. If a presidential candidate dared say he'll raise taxes for everyone, he would get chewed up by the people and the media. Same goes for many other things, even though they could benefit everyone in the long run, but most people don't seem to have a sense of future. I am against the US getting involved in any more international conflicts. However, I would be all for higher taxes, as long as I know that the money would go towards good things, such as health care or the economy. People need to make educated decisions, and stop trying to classify everything as black or white (no pun intended). Facing "unpopular decisions" could mean many things, and something different to everyone.