Obama Police State - This is what you'll get

[RJF]

I guess the First Amendment wouldn't be part of agenda.

KMOV-TV in St. Louis, MO is reporting that Barack Obama and his campaign have enlisted various Democratic prosecutors, sheriffs, government officials and other law enforcement officers to target anyone running ads which malign or, in their perception, misrepresent Obama. These so-called “Truth Squads” (complete with jackboots?) are just another step in Obama’s goal of silencing any opposition. Other Obama tactics include, on more than one occasion, trying to silence authors who have written books critical of Obama (here’s to hoping the authors don’t need to hide like Salman Rushdie), telling his followers to confront and intimidate their neighbors and injecting race into the discussion as a means of distracting from Obama’s clear weaknesses. In a 1996 campaign for Illinois State Senate, Obama even succeeded in silencing opposition from his own Democratic Party members by finding ways to get them thrown off the primary ballot. He ended up unopposed and easily won.

This is NOT the time for good people to stay silent. History has shown what happens when people stay silent, when people blindly follow the mob… right off the cliff. The Democratic Party keeps saying it is progressive and liberal and open, but NOTHING about Obama’s tactics or those of his “netroot” sympathizers is in line with those ideals. Barack Obama has every right to speak out when he feels he has been maligned or misquoted — even if he does that exact same thing, perhaps even worse, to John McCain. What Barack Obama CANNOT do is censor, intimidate and otherwise try to silence anyone who disagrees with his “One People, One Nation, One Leader”-like mantra.

Fortunately, people ARE stepping up to challenge Obama’s Stalin-like attempts to silence his opposition. Below is a statement from Missouri Governor Matt Blunt:
JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

Gateway Pundit

Another one:

9/25/2008 -

Fairfax, VA-Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign has sent threatening letters to news agencies in Pennsylvania and Ohio to stop airing ads exposing his anti-gun record sponsored by the National Rifle Association Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF).

The kicker? NRA-PVF's Ohio’s ads have not yet begun running.

“Barack Obama and his campaign are terrified of the truth,” declared Chris W. Cox, Chairman of NRA-PVF. “Sen. Obama's statements and support for restricting access to firearms, raising taxes on guns and ammunition and voting against the use of firearms for self-defense in the home are a matter of public record. NRA-PVF will make sure that everyone knows of Obama's abysmal record on guns and hunting.”

The Obama campaign sent cease and desist letters to news outlets in Pennsylvania and Ohio, denouncing the ads and demanding their removal from the airwaves. All stations where NRA-PVF has purchased or plans to purchase ads have been provided with documented evidence of Sen. Obama's anti-gun record.

“Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in our nation's history. That's the truth,” concluded Cox. “NRA-PVF has the facts on our side. No amount of running from or lying about his record and then intimidating news outlets in the hope of deceiving American gun owners and hunters is going to work. Those strong arm tactics may work in Chicago, but not in Pennsylvania and Ohio, and not as long as NRA-PVF has anything to say about it.”

[BustedS13]

libel alert
we get it, you don't like obama so you choose to believe nonsense and lies

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Did you hear Obama was actually Muslim, and his father is actually Osama BinLaden. He eats infants for breakfast and shits money because he's an elitist. He hates everyone but black people and after every speach he is known to say "yo, lets go smoke a bowl."

Vote Dr. Dre in 2012

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

libel alert
we get it, you don't like obama so you choose to believe nonsense and lies

More like, you're so blinded by "the other candidate" that you'll believe him over anything else.

I think the last time someone like him got into office, the WWII started....

That's just my opinion though...

..........and I expect the police here within the hour.

[Rnz520]

I dont think the forums should be a place for political argument, its something people will never agree upon and each person believes in something else, so just leave it at that.

[BustedS13]

HA HA HA HA HA HA

AMIRITE?

[BustedS13]

i really don't understand you people and YOUR extremist views. one's a young politician, one's an old politician. things won't be much different either way. it barely matters who wins.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

libel alert
we get it, you don't like obama so you choose to believe nonsense and lies

Don't reply to his threads, you're only feeding him!

[lucky7]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

i really don't understand you people and YOUR extremist views. one's a young politician, one's an old politician. things won't be much different either way. it barely matters who wins.

i somwhat agree. and i somwhat want obama to win, so i can point my finger and say, "i fucking told you so", when our nation really goes up in flames. then at the same time, thats not anything i really hope for. i personally feel that the "old politician" is the lesser of the 2 evils. im just sick and tired of the extremes both parties have gone to in an attempt to smear the other. they are lower than low. it's fucking embarrassing at this point.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

libel alert
we get it, you don't like obama so you choose to believe nonsense and lies

So, the Missouri Governor is spreading lies?

Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.
“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

And it was admitted to by St. Louis Circuit Attorney.

St. Louis Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce--
Here's the statement Joyce sent to the St. Louis Post Dispatch defending her leadership leadership role in the Missouri "Obama Truth Squad":

As a citizen, I believe that elections should be about issues. I also have enormous respect for our First Amendment and freedom of speech. My sole purpose in participating in this initiative is about getting truthful information to the voters. This has never been or never will be about prosecuting people.

Clearly there are those who are attempting to twist the purpose of this initiative for their own benefit. This attack is a great example of how the truth is distorted in campaigns and what we’re trying to stand up against.


Just because there is such a hatred for Bush the truth is not being seen and what could happen to this country.

[SoSideways]

Seriously... I think this election is once again, down to "which candidate is the lesser of the two evils?"

And so far, someone's shown himself to be the greater of the two evils...

[sillyvia13]

I vote DRE 08!
shit fuck it...

DRE AND SNOOP! for pres...
the limo would be pimp!
air focre 1 would be ballin! like the movie with spinna's

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Seriously... I think this election is once again, down to "which candidate is the lesser of the two evils?"

And so far, someone's shown himself to be the greater of the two evils...

exactly. Whoever wants McCain to run this country is out of their minds anyways. At least Obama is smart.

But honestly, Over the next 12 years this country is going to start to shift. People will start to believe in people like Ron Paul and stop looking at people like him as kooks. I couldn't understand why PEOPLE IN HIS OWN PARTY were calling him out of touch because he believes in one underlying fact, the Constitution. Ron Paul actually predicted the fall of the economy and if he were in charge something would have been done about it a long time ago. It just baffles me why a lot of people never took him seriously. I honestly think the college kids fucked it up for his credibility. That, and the fact that he was confrontational, AND the fact that he was a Bush hater well before Bush hating was popular in the Republican party

[SochBAT]

You know what i thinks kinda funny?

On the subject of how the candidates will deal with our foreign wars, 60% believe McCain will do better than Obama.

I think otherwise. Yea, McCain's got experience, but has anything been solved? Shit no. Maybe a fresh look at it will change it up.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by Soooshi

You know what i thinks kinda funny?

On the subject of how the candidates will deal with our foreign wars, 60% believe McCain will do better than Obama.

I think otherwise. Yea, McCain's got experience, but has anything been solved? Shit no. Maybe a fresh look at it will change it up.

I can't take anyone serious when throughout their ancestry they've done nothing but fight wars. Diplomacy is always the better answer.

[lucky7]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

exactly. Whoever wants Obama to run this country is out of their minds anyways.

see what i did there? i see/hear both variations frequently.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

I can't take anyone serious when throughout their ancestry they've done nothing but fight wars. Diplomacy is always the better answer.

Diplomacy is always the better choice if possible. Sometimes it is not the answer. I'm not making any comparison here, but diplomacy would not have stopped some like Hitler for example once he took power. Simply because someone has had to fight, does not mean they should not be taken seriously, I would say just the opposite, and someone is not responsible for the actions of their ancestery.

Remember hindsight is always 20/20.

No personal offense, but with your sig, I can't take you seriously. A first year university student who pays attention in classes can take apart that zeitgeist movie.

Yes, I've watched it... More than once.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by lucky7

see what i did there? i see/hear both variations frequently.

yes, but there is valid reasons why people don't want McCain in there. Mostly because of Iraq and Palin.
Most reasons people don't like Obama is because of his skin color and they believe the lies. Only a small majority of Obama haters don't like him because of his policies.
There's so much racism still present in this country and some examples are Fox calling Obama, Barak Hussein Obama (hence RJF's BHO comments) when NOONE calls McCain by his middle name. It's Fox's attempt at trying to seperate Obama from the common American then try to defend it by saying "well it's his name." Gimme a break. Not to mention all the false articles (like this thread) and grandma forwarded emails. Notice not many of these are directed at his politics.

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Diplomacy is always the better choice if possible. Sometimes it is not the answer. I'm not making any comparison here, but diplomacy would not have stopped some like Hitler for example once he took power. Simply because someone has had to fight, does not mean they should not be taken seriously, I would say just the opposite.

Remember hindsight is always 20/20.

Hindsight is 20/20 indeed, but as the human race, we're supposed to learn from our past and apply it to the present times, so that history, in some cases, don't repeat itself.

If someone like Hitler came along again, do you think people will still blindly put him into power and start a WWIII officially?

I guess that's kinda where the 2008 election stands right now... [shrug]

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

Most reasons people don't like Obama is because of his skin color and they believe the lies. Only a small majority of Obama haters don't like him because of his policies.
There's so much racism still present in this country and some examples are Fox calling Obama, Barak Hussein Obama (hence RJF's BHO comments) when NOONE calls McCain by his middle name.

Dude, he was the one who made it a point in his campaign at the beginning. I honestly could careless if he was purple, as long as he was a good candidate that had good policies and other junk.

[renegade_ewok]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

More like, you're so blinded by "the other candidate" that you'll believe him over anything else.

I think the last time someone like him got into office, the WWII started....

Wait, didn't the Nazis start WWII with this holocaust crap? I could have sworn...

BTW, Hitler was appointed, and never actually elected into office.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitlerdemo.htm

[SoSideways]

Originally Posted by renegade_ewok

Wait, didn't the Nazis start WWII with this holocaust crap? I could have sworn...

BTW, Hitler was appointed, and never actually elected into office.

Democracy elected Hitler to power

Somebody put him into office.

The point was, he was in office.

He could have been threatened into taking the office, or the people voted for him into office, doesn't matter.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

Diplomacy is always the better choice if possible. Sometimes it is not the answer. I'm not making any comparison here, but diplomacy would not have stopped some like Hitler for example once he took power. Simply because someone has had to fight, does not mean they should not be taken seriously, I would say just the opposite, and someone is not responsible for the actions of their ancestery.

Remember hindsight is always 20/20.

No personal offense, but with your sig, I can't take you seriously. A first year university student who pays attention in classes can take apart that zeitgeist movie.

Yes, I've watched it... More than once.

yes, I understand that the Zeitgeist movie is a fear tactic to try to wake people up, but it is still a very good film. Just because I promote a film for people to change the wiring in their brains you don't take me serious? That's funny. I, sir, AM a college graduate and have a shit load of money directly due to my success in school, not to mention I finished with a 3.8gpa in college with an IQ well above American standard. I promote this movie because there are young 20 somethings on here that WOULD find this movie interesting. Nothing more.
Don't read a book by it's cover my friend.

And I agree with your first point. But you have to understand that if Diplomacy is not reached then it will lead to sanctions or eventually war. So, again, Diplomacy is always the answer. But you're right, an attempt needs to be made.

[mRclARK1]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Hindsight is 20/20 indeed, but as the human race, we're supposed to learn from our past and apply it to the present times, so that history, in some cases, don't repeat itself.

If someone like Hitler came along again, do you think people will still blindly put him into power and start a WWIII officially?

History will always repeat itself. Like the saying "There is nothing new under the sun"

Also remember when Hitler DID come along, very few people saw what was coming. Most thought he was a great man, only a few like Churchill spoke out about what was coming. Don't get me wrong I am NOT saying Obama is anything like Hitler. I'm just drawing a comparison of how often humanity and society collectively don't learn from their mistakes and let the same thing happen again and again and again. It's always been that way, and always will be.

Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

yes, I understand that the Zeitgeist movie is a fear tactic to try to wake people up, but it is still a very good film. Just because I promote a film for people to change the wiring in their brains you don't take me serious? That's funny. I, sir, AM a college graduate and have a shit load of money directly due to my success in school, not to mention I finished with a 3.8gpa in college with an IQ well above American standard. I promote this movie because there are young 20 somethings on here that WOULD find this movie interesting. Nothing more.
Don't read a book by it's cover my friend.

And I agree with your first point. But you have to understand that if Diplomacy is not reached then it will lead to sanctions or eventually war. So, again, Diplomacy is always the answer. But you're right, an attempt needs to be made.

So if the movie is false and just a good scare tactic, doesn't that make it the exact thing that many people campaign against on the basis of change within the US? False accusations and unfair intimidation etc. If Obama is indeed doing what RJF posted, then is it not fair to draw a comparison as they're both tactics of fear based on lies?

I'm not a college graduate, but I am a college student. IQ is good for book smarts (Mine is also well above avg. which means very little to me) however I know many people who'd probably score higher than you or I, and are some of the dumbest folk you'll ever meet. I'm not saying you are, you seem an intelligent person to me. I just question why you would promote a movie you know is false. You can use lies to tell the truth, but why use lies, when you can just use the truth and leave the person to decide for themselves.

Diplomacy should always be exhausted in every aspect, but when it fails it is not the answer. An answer implies a lasting solution was reached to a problem, when diplomacy fails it therefore is not an answer.

[Matej]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/op...hp&oref=slogin


McCain’s Suspension Bridge to Nowhere

By FRANK RICH

WHAT we learned last week is that the man who always puts his “country first” will take the country down with him if that’s what it takes to get to the White House.

For all the focus on Friday night’s deadlocked debate, it still can’t obscure what preceded it: When John McCain gratuitously parachuted into Washington on Thursday, he didn’t care if his grandstanding might precipitate an even deeper economic collapse. All he cared about was whether he might save his campaign. George Bush put more deliberation into invading Iraq than McCain did into his own reckless invasion of the delicate Congressional negotiations on the bailout plan.

By the time he arrived, there already was a bipartisan agreement in principle. It collapsed hours later at the meeting convened by the president in the Cabinet Room. Rather than help try to resuscitate Wall Street’s bloodied bulls, McCain was determined to be the bull in Washington’s legislative china shop, running around town and playing both sides of his divided party against Congress’s middle. Once others eventually forged a path out of the wreckage, he’d inflate, if not outright fictionalize, his own role in cleaning up the mess his mischief helped make. Or so he hoped, until his ignominious retreat.

The question is why would a man who forever advertises his own honor toy so selfishly with our national interest at a time of crisis. I’ll leave any physiological explanations to gerontologists — if they can get hold of his complete medical records — and any armchair psychoanalysis to the sundry McCain press acolytes who have sorrowfully tried to rationalize his erratic behavior this year. The other answers, all putting politics first, can be found by examining the 24 hours before he decided to “suspend” campaigning and swoop down on the Capitol to save America from the Sunnis or the Shia, or whoever perpetrated all those credit-default swaps.

To put these 24 hours in context, you must remember that McCain not only knows little about the economy but that he has not previously expressed any urgency about its meltdown. It was on Sept. 15 — the day after his former idol Alan Greenspan pronounced the current crisis a “once-in-a-century” catastrophe — that McCain reaffirmed for the umpteenth time that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong.” As recently as Tuesday he had not yet even read the two-and-a-half-page bailout proposal first circulated by Hank Paulson last weekend. “I have not had a chance to see it in writing,” he explained. (Maybe he was waiting for it to arrive by Western Union instead of PDF.)

Then came Black Wednesday — not for the stock market, which was holding steady in anticipation of Washington action, but for McCain. As the widely accepted narrative has it, his come-to-Jesus moment arrived that morning, when he awoke to discover that Barack Obama had surged ahead by nine percentage points in the Washington Post/ABC News poll. The McCain campaign hastily suited up its own pollster to belittle that finding — only to be drowned out by a fusillade of new polls from Fox News, Marist and CNN/Time, each with numbers closer to Post/ABC than not. Obama was rising most everywhere except the moose strongholds of Alaska and Montana.

That was not the only bad news raining down on McCain. His camp knew what Katie Couric had in the can from her interview with Sarah Palin. The first excerpt was to be broadcast by CBS that night, and it had to be upstaged fast.

But even that wasn’t the top political threat McCain faced last week. Bigger still was the mounting evidence of the seamless synergy between his campaign and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage monsters at the heart of the housing bust that set off our current calamity. Most of all, it was the fast-moving events on that front that precipitated his panic to roll out his diversionary, over-the-top theatrics on Wednesday.

What we were learning — through The New York Times, Newsweek and Roll Call — was ugly. Davis Manafort, the lobbying firm owned by McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, had received $15,000 a month from Freddie Mac from late 2005 until last month. This was in addition to the $30,000 a month that Davis was paid from 2000 to 2005 by the so-called Homeownership Alliance, an advocacy organization that he headed and that was financed by Freddie and Fannie to fight regulation.

The McCain campaign tried to pre-emptively deflect such revelations by reviving the old Rove trick of accusing your opponent of your own biggest failings. It ran attack ads about Obama’s own links to the mortgage giants. But neither of the former Freddie-Fannie executives vilified in those ads, Franklin Raines and James Johnson, had worked at those companies lately or are currently associated with the Obama campaign. (Raines never worked for the campaign at all.) By contrast, Davis is the tip of the Freddie-Fannie-McCain iceberg. McCain’s senior adviser, his campaign’s vice chairman, his Congressional liaison and the reported head of his White House transition team all either made fortunes from recent Freddie-Fannie lobbying or were players in firms that did.

By Wednesday, the McCain campaign’s latest tactic for countering this news — attacking the press, especially The Times — was paying diminishing returns. Davis abruptly canceled his scheduled appearance that day at a weekly reporters’ lunch sponsored by The Christian Science Monitor, escaping any further questions by pleading that he had to hit the campaign trail. (He turned up at the “21” Club in New York that night, wining and dining McCain fund-raisers.)

It’s then that Angry Old Ironsides McCain suddenly emerged to bark that our financial distress was “the greatest crisis we’ve faced, clearly, since World War II” — even greater than the Russia-Georgia conflict, which in August he had called the “first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the cold war.” Campaigns, debates and no doubt Bristol Palin’s nuptials had to be suspended immediately so he could ride to the rescue, with Joe Lieberman as his Robin.

Yet even as he huffed and puffed about being a “leader,” McCain took no action and felt no urgency. As his Congressional colleagues worked tirelessly in Washington, he malingered in New York. He checked out the suffering on Main Street (or perhaps High Street) by conferring with Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, the Hillary-turned-McCain supporter best known for her fabulous London digs and her diatribes against Obama’s elitism. McCain also found time to have a well-publicized chat with one of those celebrities he so disdains, Bono, and to give a self-promoting public speech at the Clinton Global Initiative.

There was no suspension of his campaign. His surrogates and ads remained on television. Huffington Post bloggers, working the phones, couldn’t find a single McCain campaign office that had gone on hiatus. This “suspension” ruse was an exact replay of McCain’s self-righteous “suspension” of the G.O.P. convention as Hurricane Gustav arrived on Labor Day. “We will put aside our political hats and put on our American hats,” he declared then, solemnly pledging that conventioneers would help those in need. But as anyone in the Twin Cities could see, the assembled put on their party hats instead, piling into the lobbyists’ bacchanals earlier than scheduled, albeit on the down-low.

Much of the press paid lip service to McCain’s new “suspension” as it had to its prototype. In truth, the only campaign activity McCain did drop was a Wednesday evening taping with David Letterman. Don’t mess with Dave. Picking up where the “The View” left off in speaking truth to power, the uncharacteristically furious host hammered the absent McCain on and off for 40 minutes, repeatedly observing that the cancellation “didn’t smell right.”

In a journalistic coup de grâce worthy of “60 Minutes,” Letterman went on to unmask his no-show guest as a liar. McCain had phoned himself that afternoon to say he was “getting on a plane immediately” to deal with the grave situation in Washington, Letterman told the audience. Then he showed video of McCain being touched up by a makeup artist while awaiting an interview by Couric that same evening at another CBS studio in New York.

It’s not hard to guess why McCain had blown off Letterman for Couric at the last minute. The McCain campaign’s high anxiety about the disastrous Couric-Palin sit-down was skyrocketing as advance excerpts flooded the Internet. By offering his own interview to Couric for the same night, McCain hoped (in vain) to dilute Palin’s primacy on the “CBS Evening News.”

Letterman’s most mordant laughs on Wednesday came when he riffed about McCain’s campaign “suspension”: “Do you suspend your campaign? No, because that makes me think maybe there will be other things down the road, like if he’s in the White House, he might just suspend being president. I mean, we’ve got a guy like that now!”

That’s no joke. Bush has so little credibility he can govern only through surrogates (Paulson is the new Petraeus). When he spoke about the economic crisis in prime time earlier that same night, he registered as no more than an irritating speed bump en route to “David Blaine: Dive of Death.”

It’s that utter power vacuum that gave McCain the opening to pull his potentially catastrophic display of economic “leadership” last week. He may be the first presidential candidate in our history to risk wrecking the country even before being voted into the Oval Office.

[Mikey213]

Do you guys need to watch Malcolm x again. If not you should go see it. I'm not Muslim but i know for sure that the true Muslim state isn't so harsh as the majority still sees today. Mr. X wasn't really the crazy violence maniac that most schools still precieve him as. He was just trying to rat out the pseudo muslims. It was the only way through his speeches. "get you hand outta my pocket" (a warning to tell him to stop fucking with their money by letting the gov. know how fucked up they were) as herd a couple times before his last speeches and then when they shot him up. SO back to Obama.. it's etheir he's a puppet or he's just pretending to be one...

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Somebody put him into office.

The point was, he was in office.

He could have been threatened into taking the office, or the people voted for him into office, doesn't matter.

Hitler was voted as President because of the HEAVY HEAVY sanctions from a result of WWI. The German people were so down at that point they'd believe anything anyone would say and Hitler said all the right things.

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

Originally Posted by renegade_ewok

Wait, didn't the Nazis start WWII with this holocaust crap? I could have sworn...

BTW, Hitler was appointed, and never actually elected into office.

Democracy elected Hitler to power

we never went to war with Germany, we went to war with Japan. Germany was pissing us off because of them sinking our ally support ships but when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor we declared war against Japan. Because we declared war against Japan, Italy and Germany declared war on us. We learned about the Holocaust after the war was over. Even the German citizens didn't know what was going on.

[Matej]

We can keep throwing articles at each other, but the truth is, most people are going to vote for the same candidate that they have decided on within the first few days, their vote based on the dumbest thing, such as religion, whether the candidate's a veteran or not, or who's what skin color.

Please stop creating all these republican propaganda threads. Your childish persistence to make Barack Obama look like Kim Jong-il is becoming laughable.

Why don't you just make one republican thread? That way you can bash all you want and post as many articles as you please and keep it all in one thread.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by SoSideways

Somebody put him into office.

The point was, he was in office.

He could have been threatened into taking the office, or the people voted for him into office, doesn't matter.

What you wrote above, shows your lack of understanding of Political history is absolutely phenomenal.
Hitler strong armed his way into Political office. He was a rabble rouser who strong armed both public and political people with the Brown Shirts. Once he got himself elected by strong arming he then went and executed all his fellow brown shirts.
Then he started the Nazi party and did a wholesale power grab of the bundestag. If you think the people just voted him into office it was not that simple. Did he sway the public with Oratorical power? Yes, has Obama swayed the Public with Oratorical Power? Yes.
Fact is this if anything near what RJF pointed out above is true it shows Obama has possible Dictatorial ideas. Aka if he felt it need be he would instigate a Dictatorship.
Do I think he would? I don't know, does he kinda of scare me? Yes. Am I in favore of McCain not sure, but he does seem to be the lesser of evils in all manners.
Sorry guys but the Democrats are fucking up big time right now and I do not wish to be affiliated with the part in any way whatsoever . I am officially and Independent as of today.

[40daws]

At least he wants just the truth told. Bush and Mccain could care less. 8 years of wealth building,lies,less freedoms,more wire tapping and renditions than in history. Also more signing statements than any president in history. If the Republican campaign were the mob,they would be Tony Sopranos crew,except less likable.