Occupy Wall Street vs. Tea Party

[Mrpopo]

People should be protesting at the capital or white house not wall street. What do they think, some exec is gonna come down and start writing checks? Stupid. The politicians need to hear us and our votes not wall street. Those people are looking out the windows laughing literally because the government has us so fleeced into thinking it's someone else's fault. Banks are reckless and greedy yes, but the legal system needs to deal with them. Legislation and regulation is what gave these corporations their motivators. All these home loans in default are because of frank and Dodd and their tarp bill forcing banks to loan people money who can't afford it. Most school loans come from the government too.

We need to fix our government!

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by Mrpopo

The politicians need to hear us and our votes not wall street.

and unless the protestors are physically in front of politicians, how will they ever hear them? it's not like this is a global movement getting daily news coverage or anything. it's not like we have means of communication that don't require face-to-face contact.

oh btw what's your address? i need to mail this reply to you so you can read it

[Mrpopo]

They won't care unless it's in their ears

[sam&cheese]

Exactly Mrpopo. At this point physical interaction is whats needed. Emails, calls, protesting and most of this other crap is useless. They don't care, they are rich and your not. They are just fine and comfortable in their positions and the people have little effect on that. They just worry about pleasing whomever is putting money in their pockets.

Periodic revolution, “at least once every 20 years,” was “a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”

I'm not talking about walking around with a banner either...

[Walperstyle]

Mrpopo, the problem is most angry bent out of shape people are not smart enough to outline a plan. Most of those protestors sound like little annoying dogs 'yapping' away.

These protests are great, but need some leadership to talk with government, law and corporations to make the minor changes.

Btw, people here need to stop hating corporations. In your country, you have the ability for joe average to become a multi-millionaire overnight, its a lot harder, even in Canada. Its big corporations foreign trade and monopoly that are the issue. Some of the tax shelters a corporation have is really smart. I'd personally take advantage if I were you.

stop letting the American people buy the cheaper product, because they are un-knowingly selling out the country and making these CEO's richer, and aiding the closure of factories in the US to cheaper offshore jobs.

[Mrpopo]

I love the United States of America. I also love capitalism. What I don't love is greed. Our justice system is not serving justice the same to everyone.

[Toi]

Let them protest, let them have their voice, let them be as unorganized as they want. I didn't give 13 years of my life to have their freedoms removed.

If we can let a bunch of loony church going tards protest military funerals we can allow this to happen as well!!!

[DJDANGER24]

Originally Posted by Toi

Let them protest, let them have their voice, let them be as unorganized as they want. I didn't give 13 years of my life to have their freedoms removed.

If we can let a bunch of loony church going tards protest military funerals we can allow this to happen as well!!!

Fuckin ay, amen to that shit

[mantas]

Originally Posted by DJDANGER24

Fuckin ay, amen to that shit

Go to Europe - (where I'm from), and then you will understand why America is the shit!

Why is America such a great place to line in?

CAPITALISM!

Liberals want this country to turn socialist/communist. I've experienced that first hand, and it ain't pretty. If you want a taste of it go visit Europe/China and you will appreciate this country for what it is. You will run back with your tail up your ass, and you will appreciate big homes, big cars, fast food, and cheap gas.

The "occupy wall-street" groups in this county have the right to assembly, but they should not shove that communist POV down our throats about $20/hr minimum wage, debt forgiveness, free healthcare etc. - if they want all that they need to move the F out of this country.

This nation was built on innovation, hard work, and freedom. It's called survival of the fittest, not crying of the pussies.

[Walperstyle]

^its the ex cushy union job mentality. Everyone was spoon fed for so many years, they keep on expecting more money, more paid days off etc.

pussies.

[T chop]

Tea party started just because they couldn't handle having a black democrat as the boss.

[kingkilburn]

The teaparty started decades ago as a movement against unfair taxation. The republicans took it over from the inside and changed the message.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by T chop

Tea party started just because they couldn't handle having a black democrat as the boss.

Show where the tea party has made race an issue.

Meanwhile, the Occutards are the most vile, anti-Semitic racists out there that want to destroy this country.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by RJF

Show where the tea party has made race an issue.

Meanwhile, the Occutards are the most vile, anti-Semitic racists out there that want to destroy this country.

Seriously?

















Not racist at all right?

[kingkilburn]

I'll give you that some OWS things seem anti semitic but if you look at who controls the federal reserve and most of the major financial institutions AND look at the names they are putting on those signs you will see a nice correlation between the two.

Does that mean they are jew bashing? I don't think so. I haven't seen a single sign calling out jews in a negative way and certainly not in the fashion you would expect from a group being called anti semitic.



Do I find it peculiar that a rather specific group(those specific families that have controlled the banks for the last century) controls so much of our money and economy? Yes.

[RJF]

http://vimeo.com/31652786

[kingkilburn]

Not acknowledging racism is just as bad as overt racism. :/

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by Neurowave

Tea Party got co-opted to what is is now. Their goals are very much in line with the occupy movement as the OP's pic points out.
^ Seoul

They're not in line.

The difference is one group believes in "what is" and the other believes "what oughta be".

We know lobbyist seek to influence Washington for their monied interest.

So the question should be asked; WHY do lobbyiest want to influence government.

The OWS people believe government needs more power to resist the influence of corporations.

Take a step back and analyze that for a second.

Done?

So according to OWS; To reduce monied interest in politics, they propose to give MORE power to government? Because more power will allow them to better resist influence?

Does that even make any damn sense?

It's like claiming that someone who is a big spender will reduce spending once they win the lottery. More money only amplifies the problem of the spend happy person. Just like more government power will mean even MORE money will flow towards Washington.

[kingkilburn]

I think your interpretation of what OWS wants is a little off. . .

They want less power for corporations and lobbyists. That is not the same as more for government. I think every one can agree that more government is bad government.

[kingkilburn]

A constitutional amendment baring corporate personhood would invariably mean less government.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

A constitutional amendment baring corporate personhood would invariably mean less government.

What does that mean?

How about a balanced budget amendment?

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

A constitutional amendment baring corporate personhood would invariably mean less government.

Or how about they make a law that reduces gravity so that fat people aren't as heavy.

[kingkilburn]

What do you think that means? It's not like that is a new concept.

A balanced budget amendment is meaningless. Just because the budget is balanced doesn't mean the spending has gone where it should. The budget is about who gets elected. Keep voting in idiots and keep getting the same results.


P.S.
I'm still waiting for a rebuttal on the racism in the tea party.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by imotion s14

Or how about they make a law that reduces gravity so that fat people aren't as heavy.

What does that have to do with anything?

[codyace]

Originally Posted by RJF

Meanwhile, the Occutards are the most vile, anti-Semitic racists out there that want to destroy this country.

I really love how their own selfishness comes before anything else...it's irony of the first degree. They're the first to point fingers at the Gov't for being corrupt, but (to me) it seems as if they are just as guilty of it on their own level -- I especially love their criticism of government misspending, yet they are asking for debt forgiveness for their own lack of spending control. I also can't stand how they believe it's right to disrupt normal workflow in these cities, especially when they are preventing 'working' people from doing the right thing and or making their own cash.

As I say to me friends, until we can train people to not urinate all over the seat and floor in a public rest room, then we shouldn't be worried about overthrowing Washington.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

What does that have to do with anything?

Let me put it this way.. how's the prohibition on certain classes of narcotics/stimulants/depressants working out?

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by imotion s14

Let me put it this way.. how's the prohibition on certain classes of narcotics/stimulants/depressants working out?

It's not working at all.

That has nothing to do with corporations spending billions buying government and skewing the system in their favor.

[imotion s14]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

It's not working at all.

That has nothing to do with corporations spending billions buying government and skewing the system in their favor.

Yet you think making laws will keep monied interest out of Washington.

If there is power to be influenced, the money will find it's way there.

Talk about cognitive dissonance.

[kingkilburn]

It's no magic bullet but that would go a long way to making things better. As it stands now any company can spend any amount to get the guy they want elected.






Why is it that no one on Zilvia knows how to have a decent discussion or debate. It ALWAYS has to turn to mud slinging.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by RJF

Meanwhile, the Occutards are the most vile, anti-Semitic racists out there that want to destroy this country.

Who are these Occutards? I like them already. I do not want my money going to Israel anymore.
Have you heard of Technion? Guess who funded it? America. Even though Jewish people only make up 1.7% of Americans, thanks to the huge influence they have in the US, billions of dollars are spent on pro-Jewish affairs and advancement around the world, even though these expenses are of absolutely no benefit to the average American.