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Sil-Eighty SE-K · 05-13-2010, 05:40 PM

torque.....

that is all.

Sleepiedaze · 05-13-2010, 06:07 PM

unfortunatly the people that think a LSx swap is dumb are the same people who don't have track time under there belts and only have mild bolt ons or have never, done a major rebuild or project.

Very few people on this board can say that they go to the track frequenlty. By that statement i mean more then 10 times in a year. ive done a large amount of Drifting / Auto x / and spirited driving. sometimes doing close to 2 events per month for the year! thats 24 events and countless hours of repairing a broken down car. All i can say is that reliability is a huge thing when your actually driving your car.

i have many friends with SR20 swaps and RB swaps that are always breaking down or dont run because parts are hard to come by. or watching people blow there cars up becuase that one little hose that they ignored blew up and fryed there motor. or people who continue to talk about how there car will make 800hp...... if they can ever finish a project. lots of people say it's a stupid thing to put a LSx or 2JZ or what ever. but truth of the matter is when you want to really drive your car and enjoy it with out having to worry about blowing something that is hard to find up. then you'll understand why people decide to go with a newer motor and not spend $2000 + on a SR20 or $3500 + on a RB (ruff estimates)

i can remember a time when people where putting B18 motors into mini coopers (older version) or when i first saw a 2000+ (7th gen)toyota celica with a 3SGTE motor swap. better yet when i saw a first gen toyota celica with a SR20 NA! i thought this was the best thing to ever happen to the import scene! this is what the import scene needed, creativity and shops to make more parts for cars and to continue to push the envelope.

unfortunatly that is slowly becoming a past dream as everyone trys to be the lowest and most tire tucked they can be. as drifting has left is roots and gone to a "show style" of who has the most horsepower and who has the biggest rims with the biggest and brightest neon lights. most people now adays are all about the "low and slow" or being "JDM" as fuck or what ever that means.

truth be told if someone pisses you off becuase of something they do to there own car with there own money. you should probably get a new hobbie. im waiting for the day i see a running S13 with a F22C supercharged! that would definatly be awesome.

atutt · 05-13-2010, 06:15 PM

This thread is ghey.. I was hoping to see some crazy ass swap in a s-chassis.... Like a cummins or something rad...

Wasn't expecting "LS's are gay cuz I eat crayons for a living" thread...

Flicktitty · 05-13-2010, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by g6civcx

Food for thoughts.

On the dyno my V8 made 320 ft-lbs at the wheels at 1,500 RPM.

I can "tune" the V8 to put down anywhere from 400 ft-lbs to 600 ft-lbs based on the type track I'm running that day just by dialing back the timing and leaning out the carb.

I'm building my 454 engine which should put down 750 bhp NA according to the engine builder, or if I go crazy and decide to supercharge it can put down 1,000 bhp.

I am also a redneck and I'm gay.

very Nice, my buddy just got done building his 496cui. BBC that made just north of 750 for his 72 Chevelle, what are you putting it in? i don't think it will fit in a 240sx lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by udon!

i personaly want a 2j.

hell yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

Just putting in my opinion. I dont like ls swaps in any s-chassis's at all. I dont like jz swaps in s-chassis's. What I think is if u have a nissan stay nissan. If you have a toyota stay toyota ect ect ect.

Coming from a 2JZ runner, i get people saying this alot. and i guess I've never understood that side of the story, care to elaborate? (not trying to start anything just always curious)

codyace · 05-13-2010, 06:23 PM

Performance > Looks > Impressing Brand Nutswingers

LSX > SR > VH

jspaeth · 05-13-2010, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526

Heroic Statement.

LSX S13's are not stylish.

LSX's are great engines. They do not belong in Nissans. Though, a VH45DE belongs in a Nissan.

THIS is a load of bullshit.

Don't conufse a BIG engine for a GREAT engine.

An F20/F22 is a GREAT engine, with over 100 hp/L.

An LS1 or LS2 with 350 hp on 6 L is an inefficient engine that is just fucking BIG.

I am more into "refinement" or "efficiency". Look at formula 1 and shit. It's not about raw power, it's about power within the confines of a certain displacement.....how EFFICIENT of a motor can you build.

Comparing LS1 versus SR is just silly.

OF COURSE the 6.0L motor has a massive advantage over the 2.0L.

This is why I hate all of the old mustangs and corvettes. They weren't really THAT fast whatsoever, they just had big, SHITTY motors in them.

Where do you draw the line?

If I put a 12.0L engine that makes 500 hp in my car, does that make it a "good engine"

ANSWER: No, it's just fucking big, using displacement to MAKE UP for it's inefficiency.

My opinion of course.....

Flicktitty · 05-13-2010, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspaeth

This is why I hate all of the old mustangs and corvettes. They weren't really THAT fast whatsoever, they just had big, SHITTY motors in them.

In the 1960's and 1970's they were fast, technology has come along way since then.

*kingkilburn* · 05-13-2010, 06:56 PM

2 things

That 12 liter engine could be a turbo diesel with enough torque to ripe your county of its foundation. That might not be good in an S chassis but it would be great in a large vehicle with a huge load. Some times brute force is exactly what you need.

The LSx can be made to be just as efficient as a small displacement quad cam. That is what is so incredible about it compared to the average American V8. Heads, cam, and itbs and you could have a screamer of an engine that still has the brute force of 6 liters. Plus there are off the shelf parts out there to suit what ever your needs are. You can destroke it and rev it to 9000-plus if you want, or bore and stroke it close to 8 liters.

spooled240 · 05-13-2010, 06:59 PM

it's a great motor and a great setup but it's blasphemy to put an american V8 into a japanese car IMHO

would you swap a SR in a '66 Nova?

Flicktitty · 05-13-2010, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spooled240

i
would you swap a 2JZ n a '66 Nova?

yes.

*kingkilburn* · 05-13-2010, 07:06 PM

Oh no. He ruined it.

atutt · 05-13-2010, 07:07 PM

Hating on this motor is just a pointless as hating on the SR... Or maybe it's beyond my logic to hate on a proven motor... :s

soreballz · 05-13-2010, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spooled240

would you swap a SR in a '66 Nova?

I wouldn't put an SR in anything.

udon! · 05-13-2010, 07:12 PM

every fucking motor being discussed in this thread is a "great" motor.

its alllll personal preference.

/thread.

ineedone · 05-13-2010, 07:39 PM

I have not read this thread at all, but what I do know is that a V8 in a drift car is HELLLA GAYYYY. Especially if it is one of dem amerikan nascer V8 oooowwwwwooooohoooooooo

udon! · 05-13-2010, 07:40 PM

america is so mature, yo.

BustedS13 · 05-13-2010, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Oh no. He ruined it.

the wheels, fart can, and appearance in Tokyo Drift are what ruined that car

*kingkilburn* · 05-13-2010, 07:55 PM

ineedone

That car is an abomination.

FD is getting to the point where they need a street legal class and an open class.

jspaeth · 05-13-2010, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

2 things

That 12 liter engine could be a turbo diesel with enough torque to ripe your county of its foundation. That might not be good in an S chassis but it would be great in a large vehicle with a huge load. Some times brute force is exactly what you need.

The LSx can be made to be just as efficient as a small displacement quad cam. That is what is so incredible about it compared to the average American V8. Heads, cam, and itbs and you could have a screamer of an engine that still has the brute force of 6 liters. Plus there are off the shelf parts out there to suit what ever your needs are. You can destroke it and rev it to 9000-plus if you want, or bore and stroke it close to 8 liters.

Point taken, but it is no longer an LSX at that point, you have swapped out half of the motor!!!!!!

That's why I mentioned the S2K motors....bc right out of the box, AS DESIGNED AND SOLD, they are amazingly efficient and well-engineered.

BustedS13 · 05-13-2010, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspaeth

Point taken, but it is no longer an LSX at that point, you have swapped out half of the motor!!!!!!

i hear you man. sr20's are best appreciated in stock form. 170 wheel horsepower is the pinnacle of automotive excellence.

*kingkilburn* · 05-13-2010, 08:12 PM

The LS was designed to be tailored to the car\truck it was going in. It isn't really an apples to apples comparison.

I want to say more but I don't remember all the specifics so I will leave that to an LS aficionado.

VROOOM · 05-13-2010, 08:23 PM

well if we are comparing the S2000 vs an LS motor. consider this

MPG
S2000 --18 city - 25 highway
2010 Camaro SS-- 16 city - 24 highway

*kingkilburn* · 05-13-2010, 08:24 PM

How about mpg of those engines in an S chassis.

VROOOM · 05-13-2010, 08:25 PM

damn i would say the LS would get better

WISH ONE · 05-13-2010, 08:26 PM

My new project is a duramax diesel s13....

Kouki_monstr · 05-13-2010, 08:27 PM

Im not ganna read all four pages, but i agree with the thread title...just my opinion tho

bb4_96 · 05-13-2010, 08:35 PM

LSX seems to be the new trendy motor. First there was a few now they are all over it seems.. imo. Power wise whats the point? You have so much low down torque you might as well name your LS swapped 240 the sit and spin. Might as well go make friends at the tire shop because you'll be shooting them some nice bank just trying to dd your car. At least with a 4cyl turbo motor you have a little bit of lag to get your car moving before all hell breaks loose.

If i ever here there's no replacement for displacement ever again I'm going to call up all the F1 teams and let them know it's time to pack it in. They've had a good run but the LSX are here.

lol lsx is a great motor.. but most motors are or they wouldn't put them in cars they're going to sell to thousands of people(with few exceptions).

I guess i'm just tired of seeing them in 240's. I'd rather see something new and interesting. One more trick flow manifold in a 240 bay and i'll yak.

ineedone · 05-13-2010, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

ineedone

That car is an abomination.

FD is getting to the point where they need a street legal class and an open class.

That car is amazing, it is basically a NASCAR, just tuned for drifting.

However, I do agree FD does need more classes. The big teams are just way to much for the small guys to compete with.

udon! · 05-13-2010, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WISH ONE

My new project is a duramax diesel s13....

that would be...

FUCKING SICK.

VROOOM · 05-13-2010, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bb4_96

LSX seems to be the new trendy motor. First there was a few now they are all over it seems.. imo. Power wise whats the point? You have so much low down torque you might as well name your LS swapped 240 the sit and spin. Might as well go make friends at the tire shop because you'll be shooting them some nice bank just trying to dd your car. At least with a 4cyl turbo motor you have a little bit of lag to get your car moving before all hell breaks loose.

probably not if you actually put a tire on the car. not a 215 stretched over a 10 inch wheel

05-13-2010, 06:23 PM	#95
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05-13-2010, 06:56 PM	#98
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2 things That 12 liter engine could be a turbo diesel with enough torque to ripe your county of its foundation. That might not be good in an S chassis but it would be great in a large vehicle with a huge load. Some times brute force is exactly what you need. The LSx can be made to be just as efficient as a small displacement quad cam. That is what is so incredible about it compared to the average American V8. Heads, cam, and itbs and you could have a screamer of an engine that still has the brute force of 6 liters. Plus there are off the shelf parts out there to suit what ever your needs are. You can destroke it and rev it to 9000-plus if you want, or bore and stroke it close to 8 liters. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

05-13-2010, 07:06 PM	#101
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Oh no. He ruined it. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

05-13-2010, 07:55 PM	#108
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ineedone That car is an abomination. FD is getting to the point where they need a street legal class and an open class. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

05-13-2010, 08:12 PM	#111
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The LS was designed to be tailored to the car\truck it was going in. It isn't really an apples to apples comparison. I want to say more but I don't remember all the specifics so I will leave that to an LS aficionado. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

05-13-2010, 06:07 PM	#92
Sleepiedaze Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 619 Age: 42 Posts: 190 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	unfortunatly the people that think a LSx swap is dumb are the same people who don't have track time under there belts and only have mild bolt ons or have never, done a major rebuild or project. Very few people on this board can say that they go to the track frequenlty. By that statement i mean more then 10 times in a year. ive done a large amount of Drifting / Auto x / and spirited driving. sometimes doing close to 2 events per month for the year! thats 24 events and countless hours of repairing a broken down car. All i can say is that reliability is a huge thing when your actually driving your car. i have many friends with SR20 swaps and RB swaps that are always breaking down or dont run because parts are hard to come by. or watching people blow there cars up becuase that one little hose that they ignored blew up and fryed there motor. or people who continue to talk about how there car will make 800hp...... if they can ever finish a project. lots of people say it's a stupid thing to put a LSx or 2JZ or what ever. but truth of the matter is when you want to really drive your car and enjoy it with out having to worry about blowing something that is hard to find up. then you'll understand why people decide to go with a newer motor and not spend $2000 + on a SR20 or $3500 + on a RB (ruff estimates) i can remember a time when people where putting B18 motors into mini coopers (older version) or when i first saw a 2000+ (7th gen)toyota celica with a 3SGTE motor swap. better yet when i saw a first gen toyota celica with a SR20 NA! i thought this was the best thing to ever happen to the import scene! this is what the import scene needed, creativity and shops to make more parts for cars and to continue to push the envelope. unfortunatly that is slowly becoming a past dream as everyone trys to be the lowest and most tire tucked they can be. as drifting has left is roots and gone to a "show style" of who has the most horsepower and who has the biggest rims with the biggest and brightest neon lights. most people now adays are all about the "low and slow" or being "JDM" as fuck or what ever that means. truth be told if someone pisses you off becuase of something they do to there own car with there own money. you should probably get a new hobbie. im waiting for the day i see a running S13 with a F22C supercharged! that would definatly be awesome.

05-13-2010, 06:15 PM	#93
atutt Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: barrie, ontario, canada Age: 37 Posts: 997 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This thread is ghey.. I was hoping to see some crazy ass swap in a s-chassis.... Like a cummins or something rad... Wasn't expecting "LS's are gay cuz I eat crayons for a living" thread...

05-13-2010, 06:59 PM	#99
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,203 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	it's a great motor and a great setup but it's blasphemy to put an american V8 into a japanese car IMHO would you swap a SR in a '66 Nova?

05-13-2010, 07:07 PM	#102
atutt Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: barrie, ontario, canada Age: 37 Posts: 997 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hating on this motor is just a pointless as hating on the SR... Or maybe it's beyond my logic to hate on a proven motor... :s

05-13-2010, 07:12 PM	#104
udon! Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So-Cal Posts: 2,025 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	every fucking motor being discussed in this thread is a "great" motor. its alllll personal preference. /thread.

05-13-2010, 07:39 PM	#105
ineedone Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: MD Age: 38 Posts: 238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I have not read this thread at all, but what I do know is that a V8 in a drift car is HELLLA GAYYYY. Especially if it is one of dem amerikan nascer V8 oooowwwwwooooohoooooooo

05-13-2010, 07:40 PM	#106
udon! Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So-Cal Posts: 2,025 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	america is so mature, yo.

05-13-2010, 08:24 PM	#113
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,042 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How about mpg of those engines in an S chassis. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

05-13-2010, 08:26 PM	#115
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05-13-2010, 08:27 PM	#116
Kouki_monstr Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Colorado Age: 38 Posts: 1,295 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Im not ganna read all four pages, but i agree with the thread title...just my opinion tho __________________ 97 Kouki- Third times a charm Instagram@Koukimonstrr

05-13-2010, 08:35 PM	#117
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	LSX seems to be the new trendy motor. First there was a few now they are all over it seems.. imo. Power wise whats the point? You have so much low down torque you might as well name your LS swapped 240 the sit and spin. Might as well go make friends at the tire shop because you'll be shooting them some nice bank just trying to dd your car. At least with a 4cyl turbo motor you have a little bit of lag to get your car moving before all hell breaks loose. If i ever here there's no replacement for displacement ever again I'm going to call up all the F1 teams and let them know it's time to pack it in. They've had a good run but the LSX are here. lol lsx is a great motor.. but most motors are or they wouldn't put them in cars they're going to sell to thousands of people(with few exceptions). I guess i'm just tired of seeing them in 240's. I'd rather see something new and interesting. One more trick flow manifold in a 240 bay and i'll yak.