Ls swapped cars are lame!!!!!

[Flicktitty]

Originally Posted by dpak

I agree but Ls swaps are becoming so prevalant in the japanese car scene that it won't be "something different" for much longer. :/

eh, online it won't be anything "Differant" but in person it's still pretty rare. I've only seen 1 other JZ Swapped S-chassis car in person. and i have seen i think 2 or 3 LSX swapped s-chassis. no where near as common as a Ka-t/Sr/RB.

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

To get the same amount of horsepower out of my sr20 that's in a stock ls1, ls2 motor. I'm looking anywhere from 3-4500 dollars depending on upgrades, tune, engine management.

I could spend 6 grand and install a 400hp motor into my car, get it to pass emissions and never be scared of a cop following me for miles upon miles in my car. Go take it to a track and not worry about my turbo blowing oil seals, blowing up a ball bearing on my un-rebuildable turbo, no worries about fires due to old hoses breaking and shooting flamable fluid all over the engine bay.

Seriously you would have to be the biggest fanboi on the planet to deny the performance a v6 or v8 motor brings to the table.

It takes owning an sr20, then upgrading to a rb25, 26, possibly 1jz, 2jz (which you fanbois don't condone either) then wisening up and putting that v8 in your car.

Personally I'd ditch the sr20 for the reliability and availability of parts for my motor. I can get parts ANYWHERE for a v8 motor, kragen, autozone. I don't have to order shit from frsport or westcovina nissan and wait for it to arrive or drive 40 minutes to pick it up. parts are available down the street.

I'm sick of bolts flying off of the motor, i'm sick of having to retorque shit after a weekly drive in my car, I'm sick of a new leak of a mystery fluid is found in my engine bay after replacing all of the fucking seals on the motor. I'm sick of burning transmission fluid on my exhaust, I'm sick of electrical issues, I'm sick of constantly wrenching on the car period.

This car was supposed to be fun, when did we all forget what that meant?

You sound like you have personal experience maintaining a beat up turbo engine.

Note how the original post was all about speed, and then it became a drifting contest. The subject changed halfway through.

The way this thread is going it's going to get locked pretty soon.

[240sxvaj]

Originally Posted by Flicktitty

I have no idea how putting a LSX motor is "taking the easy way out"? It's still a pretty difficult swap to do, it's not some normal swap yet. seriously i have had my hands in a fair share of turbo 4 and turbo 6 builds over the last few years, and building up a v8 does take skill some people may think it does not but it does.

i was talking about power wise not swapping motors.

[5pecialist]

American engines in Nissans make me cry.

[DeathMetal]

Originally Posted by Om1kron

This car was supposed to be fun, when did we all forget what that meant?

You're a wise man, Wayne. I've lurked your build thread well, probably every time I log on Zilvia. I've seen how plagued with problems your car is. I know I don't say much on here but I do observe. To me, I would build a car like any of you dudes on here have to have fun and do that at its max potential. We all know why turbo motors fail and why N/A motors win. There are a lot of variables apparent here with the statement I just made in the last sentence but isn't it true?

Isn't it?

Don't credit me for shit on here because I've never built a car in my life but from my few years of observation, sitting under and around cars with my father, and the years of chillin with mechanically inclined friends, I observe that, if I were to ever build something, it would be naturally aspirated be it a KA, SR, SBC, etc etc.

[thefro526]

Originally Posted by Teddy

We don't judge it from a technical standpoint; we judge it from a style standpoint. We don't like the style or image it represents, therefore no matter how much you try to convince us we will never like it or think it's cool.

Heroic Statement.

LSX S13's are not stylish.

LSX's are great engines. They do not belong in Nissans. Though, a VH45DE belongs in a Nissan.

[g6civcx]

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

I believe Its for people who simply can't handle building and tuning a proper 4 cylinder n don't have the balls to try, So they go the easy pussy way out and swap a v8. Then have the nerve to say oh I have a fast car! No shit sherlock you put a fucking corvette motor in your 240

If you want to prove you have balls then do what you need to do to make yourself feel good.

Having owned, driven, and maintained a turbo SR for at least 3 full seasons I can personally tell you that at some point it's no longer about pride. It becomes what is the easiest way to get back on track without wasting time/money/frustration?

Pit stops are much longer with the SR because there are so many things on the checklist. Every single hose must be checked. Is there any oil leak? Is there a boost leak? How's coolant and oil temp? Check the catchcan. Check all the clamps. Did that vacuum hose pop out again? Is any turbo line leaking?

With the V8, all it needs is a cursory look for fluid leaks. There's nothing to check.

You get to spend more time looking at crucial stuff like brakes, tyres, and suspension setup.

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

anyone can do that and be fast

Not everyone. Go on SilviaV8 and look at how many people complain about their half-finished projects.

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

Then when they get beat by a mild sr with a gt28 they cry oh my engine is stock. just headers,intake,cam n tune. Oh really YOU HAVE A FUCKING V8 in the sam car I HAVE A FUCKING SR20 Inline 4. ! I hate v8 swapped cars they are for pussys. have fun arguing now. bye bye. P.s Next time mr v8 swapped car guy bring a real mans car or get run down by a little sr20 AGAIN with your ls2 blah blah blah.

You don't beat me with your car. You beat me with the driver.

Funny how my coworker is a 2-time SCCA national champ and her car of choice is a bone stock Miata. She can run loops around anyone here presumably.

[BustedS13]

on-demand power is soooooo mullet spec
wish all those hicks would get it through their heads, if your car makes a lot of power reliably, it's totally gay
and i mean gay bad, not gay like my pink rollcage and teddy bear "tow hook charm", which are cool for some reason
it'd be nice if people would stick to real mods, like body kits and wheels

p.s. if you use a nissan engine it's okay, because i'm a car racist or something.

[Flicktitty]

Originally Posted by BustedS13

on-demand power is soooooo mullet spec
wish all those hicks would get it through their heads, if your car makes a lot of power reliably, it's totally gay
and i mean gay bad, not gay like my pink rollcage and teddy bear "tow hook charm", which are cool for some reason
it'd be nice if people would stick to real mods, like body kits and wheels

p.s. if you use a nissan engine it's okay, because i'm a car racist or something.

Style points.

[greddy2die]

Originally Posted by shiftdrift

that's actually kinda low. my other friend's camaro made 353whp and 362wtq with i/e/t no cam.

Yeah im going to have to agree with you, 375whp w/ bolt ons + cam are rather low.

Typical results ive seen is 350-360whp with bolt ons and no cam just as you said.

I have an LS1 in my S14, full bolt ons + a cam and I should be making close to 400. I put it on a dyno once during a dyno day and it made about 365whp. Low numbers because I was leaning out up top pretty bad, 16.1 afr's. I have done more tuning (street) and the car feels completely different now that its got a better tune. Im going to put it on a dyno soon and im hoping i will see close to or atleast 400whp. It could make more but I am running DAFT headers and well frankly, im not happy with them and they rob some power since there isnt and R&D into them. Just basically made to fit you know.

I went to the track prior to my street tune (before I knew i was leaning out badly) and I ran an 11.8@122mph with a 1.9 60' on a stock 4.08 open diff.

With a 1.7 60' i can get my ET down to about 11.5



also, drifting is with the car is awesome. You dont have to sit off the limiter to keep the tires spinning. Just a nice little clutch kick and some throttle blips and boom your sliding. No redlining or anything =P

[PMSing Chicken]

How much style would I have if I shove a L24 with a 4spd in my 240sx?

[S14DB]

Full Episode Player | PowerblockTV

490hp stock wewt!

[ESmorz]

If someone offered me an SR or an LSx, I would take the LSx.

That is all.

[shiftdrift]

i would too lol

[kingkilburn]

Seeing that episode with the E-rod changed my mind about the torn down VH in my garage. I think I'm saving up for that now.

[BustedS13]

Originally Posted by PMSing Chicken

How much style would I have if I shove a L24 with a 4spd in my 240sx?

you should replace the disc brakes with drums while you're at it.

[REVOisGO]

^ you drift fanboys make me sick. spend less time on the internet and more time actually working on/drifting your car. im surprised no ones thrown out misinformation about how "heavy" the lsx motors are, when they are amazingly light for the amount of power they produce.

have fun with YOUR car. if having fun means having 450hp out of a proven durable american motor, then so be it. i'd bet 90% of you arguing against the ls1 have a ka in your car, something hanging from your tow hook, and more stickers than hp....

[singlecamslam]

Not 500 but around 4 something easy 500 with heads and Op get the stick out of your vagina

[sickstatus]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Full Episode Player | PowerblockTV

490hp stock wewt!

i wonder when/how long its gunna take for some1 to put one of these bad boys in a 240.

shits gunna b sick.

[ranger240]

im not reading any posts other than the original posters first one...


but why mr rb 25 chuki are you so butt hurt about v8 sports cars?

why are you praising the 'fine art' of tuning a turbo 4 cylinder car and stating that it somehow is better than a v8. and that the reason its better is just cause its daintier.


plus your argument against v8 cars is that they have easy reserves of power, whereas like it or not... ''tuning'' a sr20 isn't rocket science, you're not a craftsman... you're just one of thousands of nissan loving ricers who slap on big turbos, buy big giant lag-enhancing front mounts and slap on apexi exhausts. you're more a cliche than the ls-x guys, at least they're doing something different


v8s in cars that weren't originally designed for them is a GREAT idea.... purists can go suck a fat one.. your argument that turbo4 240s > v8 240s makes about as much sense as those other purists out there that would claim that the bristol engined AC Aces were better than the Ford-equipped Shelby cobra versions solely because of the purity of a inline six english designed engine in a proper english sports car...

guess what? those bristol ace drivers and those sr 240 drivers such as yourself get shit on by cobras and ls-240s then make whiney excuses about how even though they lost the race, the race isnt really what matters...


and to mr op if you're not familiar with AC Aces and dont get the parallel you arnt really into cars anyway

go get your hood popped

[shiftdrift]

Originally Posted by REVOisGO

^ you drift fanboys make me sick. spend less time on the internet and more time actually working on/drifting your car. im surprised no ones thrown out misinformation about how "heavy" the lsx motors are, when they are amazingly light for the amount of power they produce.

have fun with YOUR car. if having fun means having 450hp out of a proven durable american motor, then so be it. i'd bet 90% of you arguing against the ls1 have a ka in your car, something hanging from your tow hook, and more stickers than hp....

what if i'm for the ls1 have a ka and something from my towhook?

[Mikey213]

OMG! I always see this stupid argument! All you have to do is put common sense into the equation! A lot of you guys are also "carist" as fuck! Thus presenting yourselves to have a high enough potential to be racist enough!

[sdterrible1]

Originally Posted by aznpoopy

anyone can drive a car, be a real man and ride a bicycle

YouTube - Golden Boy - Blumchen - Bicycle Race

This made my day lol!

[karl wasabi]

We are in the United States of AMERICA! NOT JAPAN! Put some American in your 240 and wear a cowboy had and boots screaming America everywhere you go.

That sounds like the American dream to me. I wish I had the money for an LSx.

[Walperstyle]

LOL at this thread

Anyone that has 'tuned' a LS is laughing right now. I'm building a KA-T right now but even I'm not a douche to think the LS can't put out some insane horsepower with the right people behind it. There is local Corvette owners here with 800+hp.

The fact that you want a serious discussion on this topic is proof you are a keyboard bandit.

Talk about what you have done, what you have driven, not what you 'think'.anyone can love or hate something, but usually the valid opinions are the people that have 'walked the line'

[g6civcx]

Food for thoughts.

On the dyno my V8 made 320 ft-lbs at the wheels at 1,500 RPM.

I can "tune" the V8 to put down anywhere from 400 ft-lbs to 600 ft-lbs based on the type track I'm running that day just by dialing back the timing and leaning out the carb.

I'm building my 454 engine which should put down 750 bhp NA according to the engine builder, or if I go crazy and decide to supercharge it can put down 1,000 bhp.

I am also a redneck and I'm gay.

[udon!]

Sr20 = jdm


ONLY v8 swap ive ever liked is some dude with a purple fc vert w/white xd9's.

i personaly want a 2j.

[kingkilburn]

It's funny how we can sling any racial slur we want as long as it's a white one.

[Ghost240]

From what I've seen in terms of tuning and etc with ANY drivetrain combo is availability of resources. Majority of the people on here can't afford to build an RB, SR, KA or etc. So they try to build on top of stock motors. And in terms of reliability power wise, the Rb and LSx have it. There is no replacement for displacement, no matter how volumetrically efficient you make your set up. It all boils down to the almighty dollar. The average build for an RB will cost 3-4K+ in parts and labor alone. Where as for the LSx you don't have to go to that extent.

And yes I know there are stock RBs (internals) doing 5XX+ hp with turbo, fuel and etc. But how many of you are willing to risk not knowing when it is going to blow? or the rebuild cost?

When you take it all into consideration it boils down to what can you afford? Can you do it right and build it or can you build it up and chance it? I don't see too many people on zilvia being patient and paying the costs inorder to do shit right the first time.

And on that note....I myself used to own a 98 TA. Loved it, and it was fun. The LSx series motors are simply amazing. Many supercar companies use it as a blueprint or a powerplant to build on. that says alot. However, that motor isn't for me now or for MY 240. Say what you want, or will, but I want to see what the RB has in store. I don't see too many legit builds stateside, or tuned "properly" stateside.

[S14_Kouki]

Just putting in my opinion. I dont like ls swaps in any s-chassis's at all. I dont like jz swaps in s-chassis's. What I think is if u have a nissan stay nissan. If you have a toyota stay toyota ect ect ect.