ORC 409 Super Single...What Sleeve/Carrier???

[Luvs2slide]

Ok, so I picked up this used ORC 409 Super single clutch. Also came with new unsprung clutch disk and intermediate plate. I resurfaced the flywheel, and got a TOB to match (67.1mm). I am stuck because I am not sure what carrier/sleeve to use. I have searched google and zilvia and some people say you can use the stock one and others say you MUST use the ORC one. I do not want to try installing it and come to find out the stock one won't work. I would have a guy call Ogura Racing directly, but they are closed for the New Year Holiday (2 weeks). I hear that you can use the Nissan sleeve part # 30501-N1600. Me and another guy who owns a local shop in Okinawa looked through the ORC catalog and cannot determine which one we need. Can anyone that has used this clutch verify?

[s15specR]

I used the stock nissan part, however I have the ORC-409D if that makes a difference, GREAT clutch btw.

[Teambadrun]

I have posted the part numbers before, its the same as exedy super single..
search in my previous posts...........

I have bought these parts over 50 times now..... as most twin and single's from japan dont come with it
you can't use stock part # ones.... its a special part #
like i said, check my posts..

You need... differnt bearing (differnt taper on the bearing) and differnt bearing carrier ( shorter one)

[fliprayzin240sx]

Well, stock one worked, just change the TOB on it to the shorter one.

[Luvs2slide]

Hell yes people/. Stock one works so far...

[s15specR]

^ great, like I said, had mines for a year now and no problems on stock

[IIIXziuR]

so you can use OEM?

you can get the TOB and sleeve from nissan.

*The release bearing outer diameter is 67,1mm.
*And, this release bearing is also the original of NISSAN.
*NISSAN original parts number is "30502-14601".
Therefore, You can also buy it from NISSAN.

And then, the sleeve bearing is only assembly in ORC.
The sleeve bearing assembly type of ORC is B type.
*You are not able to buy the individual of sleeve bearing from ORC.
*However, this sleeve bearing is also the original of NISSAN.
*NISSAN original parts number is "30501-N1600".
Therefore, You can also buy it from NISSAN.

[Luvs2slide]

Yea, I used the stock SR20det one. No problems.

[bataangpinoy]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but here are the NEW part numbers for the OEM parts needed to run the ORC 409.

release sleeve=
30501-N1600, replaced by 30501-1C104

release bearing remains the NISSAN original parts number 30502-14601

[Luvs2slide]

Good stuff. I refer people to this thread all the time.

[bataangpinoy]

fitted with the appropriate carrier and bearing, the pedal effort is very tolerable. if you've driven an upgraded clutch, you can drive this easily.

[TheRealSy90]

Thanks for updating with the new info! Just got my 409D in.

[EDacIouSX]

you may use the stock one for Single plate clutches, at least for ORC 409D. When there are two plates or more you must use an after market throw out bearing. The reason is that the multiple disks makes the overall height of the clutch too large for a stock TOB to work. The ORC TOB from what I understand is a slim version of the OEM TOB.

[TheRealSy90]

Now if only I could find the friction plate thicknesses and someone that knows how to resurface the flywheel lol

[fliprayzin240sx]

Slap it on and see if it slips...Beats the hell out of buying a brand new 409D for over $800. As far as the flywheel, just take the cage off and resurface it just like any other fw.

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Slap it on and see if it slips...Beats the hell out of buying a brand new 409D for over $800. As far as the flywheel, just take the cage off and resurface it just like any other fw.

Only thing I wasn't sure of was if the posts just come out of the flywheel and press back in.

[EDacIouSX]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Now if only I could find the friction plate thicknesses and someone that knows how to resurface the flywheel lol

clutch disk should be 5mm i believe. iirc my 509 was at ~3.7mm and it still holds well. i'll find out in a week if it will take clutch kicking abuse lol.





Since we're on the topic. Has anyone bought an overhaul kit for a 409D? Doesn't the overhaul kit not work as well as a new kit since there is no new flywheel? I only see a new pressure plate and clutch disk so wouldn't it slip with an old used flywheel?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Only thing I wasn't sure of was if the posts just come out of the flywheel and press back in.

No, it should be bolted to the flywheel. The bolts should be under the flywheel.

Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

clutch disk should be 5mm i believe. iirc my 509 was at ~3.7mm and it still holds well. i'll find out in a week if it will take clutch kicking abuse lol.

Since we're on the topic. Has anyone bought an overhaul kit for a 409D? Doesn't the overhaul kit not work as well as a new kit since there is no new flywheel? I only see a new pressure plate and clutch disk so wouldn't it slip with an old used flywheel?

I've rebuilt my OS Giken TS2B, it came with new pressure plate (not the cover), intermediate plate, new hardware (bolts, washers) for the pressure plate cover and new plates. I resurfaced the flywheel when I slapped it back into my SR. Ran that for about a year and a half, traded the flywheel for an RB one. Resurfaced that one too, and now running the same clutch with the RB flywheel on my current RB25. No issues still. I got a spare TS2B clutch that I'm gonna use with a rebuild kit when this one starts slipping.

[TheRealSy90]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

No, it should be bolted to the flywheel. The bolts should be under the flywheel.

Haha god I feel stupid you're right. So yeah if you take them off and resurface the whole thing you will still have the same standoff height, so the rebuild with new plate and pressure plate would work just as good as a brand new one would. Awesome!

[Luvs2slide]

Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

clutch disk should be 5mm i believe. iirc my 509 was at ~3.7mm and it still holds well. i'll find out in a week if it will take clutch kicking abuse lol.





Since we're on the topic. Has anyone bought an overhaul kit for a 409D? Doesn't the overhaul kit not work as well as a new kit since there is no new flywheel? I only see a new pressure plate and clutch disk so wouldn't it slip with an old used flywheel?

For the record, I did buy a overhaul kit before. This was back a couple years but it came with new intermediate plate, clutch disk, and bolts. You definitely want to get the flywheel resurface as flat as you can without removing too much material. I had mine redone at a machine shop while I was in Okinawa. Nowadays if you get a used single-plate clutch, just run it as is because everything is already worn together (kinda like brake pads/rotors). I just bought a Used Uras Super Single (which was made by ORC factory/same configuration) and measured the disc at about 4.5mm. I wanted to rebuild it but why spend the extra loot when it's probably GTG. We'll see here soon lol.