kbb price and craigslist price

[powermymotor]

was looking up craigslist (sf) for a 240sx coupe 93..most of them are going around 3.5k ...i wonder why??
i type in kbb value 155k miles
this is what i get
Excellent
$1,915
Very Good
$1,765
Good
$1,690
Fair
$1,190

trying to buy a cheap car ..but everybody on craigslist is overpricing there beaters

[DJ-of-E]

Drift tax.

Before popularity of drifting in 2001, you could get a clean 125k mileage s13 for $3000...cuz everyone wants a Honda or Mitsubishi Eclipse.

[motteramm]

Originally Posted by powermymotor

was looking up craigslist (sf) for a 240sx coupe 93..most of them are going around 3.5k ...i wonder why??
i type in kbb value 155k miles
this is what i get
Excellent
$1,915
Very Good
$1,765
Good
$1,690
Fair
$1,190

trying to buy a cheap car ..but everybody on craigslist is overpricing there beaters

*Their*.......

[simmode1]

If that's too high for you, you might wanna look into Miata's or Z31's.

[Chaluska]

for $3500, it better have an SR, and z32 brakes

[Hoffman5982]

Originally Posted by Chaluska

for $3500, it better have an SR, and z32 brakes

uhhh wat 123

[13esim]

Yup its mostly the notorious drift tax, has any one else noticed S13's becoming more... ehm... mainstream? Like I've noticed, with some people I know personally, that there are just acquiring random interest in S13's. Like I know people who couldn't even speak a lick about cars, and all of the sudden are in love with 240sx's.

[Lunghz]

Originally Posted by 13esim

Yup its mostly the notorious drift tax, has any one else noticed S13's becoming more... ehm... mainstream? Like I've noticed, with some people I know personally, that there are just acquiring random interest in S13's. Like I know people who couldn't even speak a lick about cars, and all of the sudden are in love with 240sx's.

+1

thats how it seems in my area alot of the dudes around here are just fan boys... they see a nice one, for example CleanAndLegits silvia and go ballistic! alot of (what is sad to say) my generation think mainly off trying to be like everyone else, and "fit in" or "be cool".

[racepar1]

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.

[rwtf]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.

shit, go on CL and see how many 240s for sale have "racecar" "driftcar"
or anything to do with drifting. Its all over..OH and of course "perfect for a swap"

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

Isn’t what you explained in essence “drift tax” ? I doubt the 240sx would be in such high demand if it wasn’t for the popularity of drifting.

[dluevanos01]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Most of you are fucking stupid. "Drift tax" has NOTHING to do with it. As stated previously, it's supply and demand. Go ahead and try to find a CLEAN 240 for ANY price. They're not out there anymore. They've all been modded and beat to shit. A clean stock 240 is WORTH as much as a modded POS with a half-assed SR swap. Why? Because you CAN'T FIND a clean stock 240. 240's are getting to be like 510's, they're all used up. If I had a clean stock 5-speed S13 to sell I would be taxing your asses $4000 for it. I wouldn't feel bad either because that's what they're worth. The value of clean versions these cars has skyrocketed because so many have been effectively destroyed by drift kids. You CAN still find good deals, BUT you have to be resourceful and patient. Most of you are neither of those things.

OP: Why in the fucking hell would you look to KBB for a price for ANY car??? Much less a popularly modified car that is hard to find clean. KBB is worthless. NO car is sold for the KBB price. Go ahead and look up anything you like. Then go look for the same car on craigslist. You'll see that the prices do not match.

I quoted you because I partially agree with you. Supply and demand has something to do with it. With a fixed or decreasing supply (since a lot are being crashed and Nissan is not producing anymore) and with increasing demand from whoever it be, cause a rise in prices.

It all has to do with whether supply creates demand, or if demand creates supply. I personally believe in the later one.So when a person wants something they look at the utility ( benefit) they will get from it. this will also justify your statement as to why a clean stock 240 is worth more than a half-ass SR swapped with "more" value parts in it.

A person when purchasing something must weight the marginal benefit and marginal cost. So if they decide to purchase a car THEY BELIEVE that the car outweights the cost. Thus their utility of the vehicle is greater than the cost, so they will buy it. The now lets examine some human behavior,. why do people buy Nike shoes opposed to a $10 generic brand? or why do people pay $15-20 for a shirt when pro club brand can be had for ~$4? or why don't people buy a SPL opposed to Godspeed? Because they are minimizing their risk. With a brand name, people, myself included, feel that they are minimizing their risk. Thus their willingness to pay for the object rises.

So when prices of clean 240s rise, other sellers of beat up cars feel that they can justify higher prices because they are asking close to what the clean one sells for and theirs has more "valuable parts".

I feel like you are the one who better describe the issue, and drift tax is just persons incentive to get a bigger return through moral hazard by making their bucket seemed and think it's valued at the same price as a clean car.

[s0fa king]

cult following + drift tax

[fliprayzin240sx]

KBB for a 240sx...LOL, good luck on that one. Atleast you're still in CA, you might still get lucky finding an old lady with one locked up in her garage and hasnt driven it in a decade.

[khon240sx]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

KBB for a 240sx...LOL, good luck on that one. Atleast you're still in CA, you might still get lucky finding an old lady with one locked up in her garage and hasnt driven it in a decade.

hahaha...story of how i got my coupe

[tricky_ab]

Originally Posted by powermymotor

i type in kbb value 155k miles

[koukimonster139]

those values are for original, non modified cars. good luck finding a clean stock 240sx in the 1500-2000 price range.

[Blk96t]

Plenty of stock s13s in Midwest to be had under 2k. Except the majority s13 rust really bad out here.

[koukimonster139]

right.. as far as i know 240s didnt come with rust as a factory option. or did they

[KiLLeR2001]

Drift tax exchange rate is currently at (kbb value * 1.84) and rising.

[driftminds13]

Its supply and demand and then you add the drift tax... Basic economics lol.

[powermymotor]

yeah i figure supply and demand.. but damn i just notice this about kbb's.. maybe i need to re adjust my car prices as dealer ship price =p

[powermymotor]

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

[DJ-of-E]

Originally Posted by powermymotor

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

Originally Posted by simmode1

If that's too high for you, you might wanna look into Miata's or Z31's.

Originally Posted by rwtf

i see that all the time even for STOCK beat up to shit cars, 2-3k I'm like WHAT THE FUCK..

Man speaks the truth.

Besides, what is 'YOUR PURPOSE' of buying a 240sx? If you like and willing to spend a lot of money on this money pit, you wouldn't care how much it cost.

If cost of return, it's a money pit. If I was 25 years old and I want to be "because race car" with money from selling a 2007 TSX, I wouldn't even bother. Even if I did, in today's market, it definitely would not be a 240sx.

Let's say stock 2007 TSX sell for? 14k?

MUUUUCH BETTER options for 14k.
Honda 2000
Toyota MR2 Turbo (sadly, more cleans ones than 240sx)
Toyota MRS Spyder
Porsche Boxer
Nissan 350z
Mazda Miata

You're not getting much out of a stock 240sx. All of those has much better power-weight ratio. With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

[FRpilot]

Originally Posted by powermymotor

deciding if i should sell my 07 tsx to soup up a 240sx coupe 92

Did you just say that?

Anyways, KBB has as much relevance as the BBB. I would keep the 07 tsx. If you are crying over paying 2k over KBB price, you seem like you wouldn't be able to justifying spending good money on quality parts, which means your 240sx will be a pile and you would have been better off with the stock 07 tsx. You'll regret it, trust me (unless the 240sx is a toy car on the side and you are willing to spend unlimited amounts of money on it).

Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

I agree with that, unfortunately I still waste a lot of it.

[powermymotor]

Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

With CA smog, you think I'm going to waste my time every year or two dealing with smog police or STAR smog checks? I learn as I get older than time is precious and it is worth a lot of money.

i would be keeping the car for a long time. wouldnt mind changing back to stock if it needs to. just gotta learn more about cars.

[driftminds13]

When it comes to 240sx's you cant go based on kbb price. You need to know what things are worth, period. Or you will think your getting a great deal when your not or vice versa.

[zerodameaon]

This comes up every few months and the outcome is always the exact same. Hell I even got one of my quotes from one of these last year.

[devilishg]

The KBB value are for stock Nissan 240sx. You may get a clean stock 240sx but they are hard to come by. As one the fellow zilvians stated you may find one in a garage driven by and older individual or an automatic you may want to convert. The basic principle of economics comes in as for supply and demand, however some people over price their cars.

[Hashiriya415]

I never go by kbb on any car. Its like book for retards, nothing more.
BTW Why do you want a 240sx? Drift car? Race car? Because everyone has one and its so fucking cool yo? Looks tight slammed low and drives slower then moms Camry?

You wanna know what's worth getting these days?
Faster, Stronger, Better handling, Safer. All these things factory comparison with 240sx
http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/505544...ml#post5156920