U.S. Gun Control discussion

[Mofuhcka]

Forgot this one too..

Piers Morgan Gets OWNED By Ben Shapiro - YouTube

And I cant stand Rosanne Barr AT ALL..

Ted Nugent Bitch Slaps Roseanne Barr DOWN - YouTube

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Because the mentally ill that flip and turn violent is extremely rare. A regular person that gets angry or scared and shoots someone is far more likely than a psychotic break . Somethings you cannot stop in a society.

Both sides don't want to touch the Mental Health issues. One side is the Stigma and branding people crazy. The other is the total lack of Mental Health Care. Which bleeds into health care debating. Slippery slope none of them want to get on.

In other news CC is legal in Arkansas churches.

and..

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Because the mentally ill that flip and turn violent is extremely rare.

But if they are the ones that shoot up a school full of kids every 6 months...

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

A regular person that gets angry or scared and shoots someone is far more likely than a psychotic break .

Not sure what you are getting at with the "Scared" comment, but someone that is "angry" or "Raging" (catching a lover cheating on you) is most likely going to still commit homicide even without a gun. Knives, fits, blunt objects, cars... just because you don't have the best tool for the job doesn't mean you'll not finish the job.


Besides, the primary user of gun violence is not raging scared people, but gang members, criminals and drug dealers/addicts. I'm sure you will find most gun crime is simply tied to another crime - dealing, stealing, gambling, ect.

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Somethings you cannot stop in a society.

So why punish the rest of us? Just admit that we have sick people and should accept 20-50 people killed each year in a mass shooting.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Both sides don't want to touch the Mental Health issues. One side is the Stigma and branding people crazy. The other is the total lack of Mental Health Care. Which bleeds into health care debating. Slippery slope none of them want to get on.

In other news CC is legal in Arkansas churches.

and..

Honestly lets break this down.

Crazy as fuck people kill a total of 20-60 people a year in a while crazy shooting spree... in a country of 320 MILLION people.

40 to 60. Thats it.


That, in no way is a valid reason to change gun laws when up until recently everyone was cool with the 8-13k a year killed in "normal" gun violence.

This is a cultural issue. This is a drug issue.

Americans are more violent then our western counter parts. We beat up more people. We strangle more people. We rape more people. We kill more people... with and without guns.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by Mofuhcka

Piers Morgan gets angry after losing Gun Control debate and throws his notes towards his guest ! - YouTube

Ret. Marine Joshua Boston vs Piers Morgan Gun Control Debate - YouTube

GOA's Larry Pratt DESTROYS CNN's Piers Morgan on CT Shooting - YouTube

Piers Morgan Gets Butt Kicked by Ted Nugent for Trying to Stranglehold 2nd Amendment - YouTube

Why Piers Morgan HASNT quit his job yet, or should I say why the fuck does he have that job, I dont know. He is the most ignorant bastard Ive ever seen. Not only does he know he is wrong, he wont let anyone else talk because he know he is gonna get schooled. Im surprised no one has reached across the table and knocked him the fuck out...

That guy just won't quit..

Asking every same questions and gets same answers but keep just asking more..

[1 88 U]

I'm laughing at anyone that can't see Piers Morgan is trolling the fuck out of America. Mr. "I just don't understand why anyone would need and AR-15, with 3 rounds" after a hundred people intelligently explained to him why.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I'm laughing at anyone that can't see Piers Morgan is trolling the fuck out of America. Mr. "I just don't understand why anyone would need and AR-15, with 3 rounds" after a hundred people intelligently explained to him why.

I don't see why anyone needs to buy a can of Soda with more then 6oz of cola in it.

[Mofuhcka]

Originally Posted by K_style

That guy just won't quit..

Asking every same questions and gets same answers but keep just asking more..

Lol but he asks a question, the person starts answering, then he cuts in with "Here let me, let me, let me ask you this.."

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

I'm laughing at anyone that can't see Piers Morgan is trolling the fuck out of America. Mr. "I just don't understand why anyone would need and AR-15, with 3 rounds" after a hundred people intelligently explained to him why.

He alwayssssss talks about AR-15s because they have been involved with the last mass shootings. But any other "assault rifle" is ok.. Like switch it up man.

On another note, WHY does he feel like he can shit on OUR rights? Go back to Britain ya fuck, have fun with all the crime (caused because of the gun control laws) that you never mention and never let anyone else menton

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Honestly lets break this down.

Crazy as fuck people kill a total of 20-60 people a year in a while crazy shooting spree... in a country of 320 MILLION people.

40 to 60. Thats it.


That, in no way is a valid reason to change gun laws when up until recently everyone was cool with the 8-13k a year killed in "normal" gun violence.

This is a cultural issue. This is a drug issue.

Americans are more violent then our western counter parts. We beat up more people. We strangle more people. We rape more people. We kill more people... with and without guns.

I don't think it's a gun issue as a cultural issue. I find that the people that want to ban guns usually want to ban or restrict other things too.

I don't agree on infringing on other peoples rights/happiness to make yourself fell better or more comfortable.

We are more apt to not help people or throw them in a loony bin. Then help them be functioning members of society.

Easier to keep arresting them and making money putting them through the system over and over. Take all their rights away so all they can do is commit crimes and you have a viscous cycle.

Ultimately it is the person being violent not the tool they choose to use to commit the violence. Restricting access to to one of many ways to commit violence doesn't fix the root problem. Just moves it around like a shell game.

Still first world problems comparatively.
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[collegekid]

Seeing as they are probably going to pass some kind of legislation in the near future, (New Jersey already bans guns with more than 1 bullet iirc) what do you guys suggest noobies like me to do? I want to have atleast something in my house (we live in a good neighborhood which has been a target for home invasions in the past few years and my dad owns a business and comes home with 3 or 4 thousand in cash every night).

I just want to own a medium size pistol (same thing that the police has, maybe a little bit of an upgraded version). I'm not looking for an AK or a Tec9 or whatever the hell they call them. Can someone point me to a particular forum or should I just join any Gun forum? I have talked to police officers (who sound like no one should have a gun), gun shops (who pretty much just want to sell me shit that probably has been sitting in their displays for 4 years), and gun enthusiasts (who sound like they would shoot anything that moves on their property). I can't seem to find a person who just has a gun and isn't fucking paranoid about aliens and shit.

Sorry for the thread derailment. Maybe someone can pm me

[Corbic]

For home defense?

12 gauge shot gun. Standard semi.

Far more accurate in the dead of night, intimidating, easy to use and low risk of over penetration.


If you want a hand gun I suggest a full-size Double-action revolver for the home.

No messy magazines, stove piping, safeties or remembering to rack a round. Just pull and bang.

If you can't defend your self with 6 rounds your just putting everyone around you in danger because you are not aiming - just shooting.


Take a safety course. Put at least 300 round down range with it. Factor this in with your purchase price.

$75 course
$125 ammo + range fees
A typical DA wheel gun will be ~$700 new.

Don't get hung up in caliber arguments. Your can get special "hot loads" for actual carry in place of the cheap, ineffevtive "range" ammo.

[collegekid]

Thank you for the quick and informative response Corbic. Money isn't the issue, just getting it done properly and safely is my issue. I was planning to go to a gun range and practice, as well as properly storing the weapon too.

This is good, I wont need that huge of a gun cabinet/locker thing. Thanks again sir

[bc.]

Ask your gun questions here: http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/1...un-thread.html

[1 88 U]

Originally Posted by Corbic

For home defense?

12 gauge shot gun. Standard semi.

Far more accurate in the dead of night, intimidating, easy to use and low risk of over penetration.


If you want a hand gun I suggest a full-size Double-action revolver for the home.

No messy magazines, stove piping, safeties or remembering to rack a round. Just pull and bang.

If you can't defend your self with 6 rounds your just putting everyone around you in danger because you are not aiming - just shooting.


Take a safety course. Put at least 300 round down range with it. Factor this in with your purchase price.

$75 course
$125 ammo + range fees
A typical DA wheel gun will be ~$700 new.

Don't get hung up in caliber arguments. Your can get special "hot loads" for actual carry in place of the cheap, ineffevtive "range" ammo.

Shotgun myths
Buckshot doesn't over penetrate Ammunition Drywall Penetration Analysis Test (Adpat))

[mr.nismo.]

Originally Posted by collegekid

Thank you for the quick and informative response Corbic. Money isn't the issue, just getting it done properly and safely is my issue. I was planning to go to a gun range and practice, as well as properly storing the weapon too.

This is good, I wont need that huge of a gun cabinet/locker thing. Thanks again sir

apu, just get a glock 22, easy to shoot, clean, and its safety disengages as you pull the trigger, shotgun isnt always the best in tight spaces. idk about where you live but in cali Overal length is at least 30 inches for shotgun/rifle. thats a big weapon to maneuver in a house

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

Shotgun myths
Buckshot doesn't over penetrate Ammunition Drywall Penetration Analysis Test (Adpat))

Flawed test. Walls are not normally hollow and there is usually furniture, clothing ect on either side. Also a few stray pellets are less likely to be fatal then a few stray rounds.

Honestly, you can get rock salt as well, might even help in a self defense case because you can prove you where limiting the amount of force you where using. Nobody is getting up after a blast of rock salt from 5 ft away, assuming it didn't kill them.

[bc.]

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[Corbic]

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Let's ban 3D printers and gun powder now!

[VNG704]

I was wondering how you guys felt about Alex Jones. Crazy conspiracy theorist or prophet? I think he makes a lot of sense but is extreme. I'm on the fence. Either he's right and if we over look what he talks about then we're s.o.l. or he's a total loon. That or he's trying very hard for ratings. Military & Police React to Obama's Total Gun Confiscation Plan - YouTube

EDIT: did a search and just saw the sandy hook conspiracy theory thread.


Was thinking earlier today, our govt is trying to do to us what they do to n. Korea, China, etc... take their weaponry away. I get that nukes are different from AR/hi cap mags etc... but it's really the same thing if you look at it from a bigger picture. How do you anti gun control guys feel about the US trying to stop other countries' advancement in weaponry? I can agree with a ban of any weapon if it's banned from everyone. For example, stop N. Korea's testings of nukes or whatever is they're testing IF we relinquish or stop our own testing. Ban our semi auto weapons and hi cap magazines if the govt/police/ etc... ban theirs too. Makes since right?

[onehundredoctane]

Originally Posted by VNG704

Crazy conspiracy theorist or prophet? I think he makes a lot of sense but is extreme. I'm on the fence.

Pretty much how I feel. He makes sense to a point then goes too far and sounds crazy. I don't really pay him much attention as a result.

[1 88 U]

If you are in Washington state you better get on the phone now.

e: Recap for WA voters: Senate Bill 5737 would ban the sale or transfer of any gun with a detachable magazine. Grandfathered guns would be required to be kept in a safe and subject to inspection by the local sheriff. You'd have the option of turning your guns in to a law enforcement agency for destruction.

Sounds bad? It is. Will it pass? Who can say? Spike it into the grave to make sure.

Find your state senator and representatives and call them. Email if you want, but call. Call Governor Inslee's office as well: 360-902-4111

[imotion s14]

I own firearms to commit homicide.

[onehundredoctane]

Nazifornia trying to ban "assault shot guns" WHO THE FUCK COMES UP WITH THIS SHIT?!

They should just come out and say it, they're trying to ban the Tarus Judge and similar revolvers that will shoot shotgun shells.

I hate to say it, but if I lived in Califuckya I would probably go postal like Dorner.

[1 88 U]

So sorry for you CO folks. They just past universal background checks, ended campus carry and implimented a 15 round mag limit. Magpul has promised to move their opperations out of state. I guess with all of that new pot revenue the state government said "don't let the door hit you!"

Gun control; coming to a State near you!

Seriously, stop wining about LIEberals this and that and start getting active.

[turbobrick]

Originally Posted by Corbic

This is a cultural issue. This is a drug issue.

Americans are more violent then our western counter parts. We beat up more people. We strangle more people. We rape more people. We kill more people... with and without guns.

I agree with this.


Also, I know its easier to say, but not all liberals are anti gun. I consider myself a liberal on most issues, however I think people should be able to own whatever guns they want.

[Tearlessj]

Originally Posted by Corbic

For home defense?

If you want a hand gun I suggest a full-size Double-action revolver for the home.

No messy magazines, stove piping, safeties or remembering to rack a round. Just pull and bang.

If you can't defend your self with 6 rounds your just putting everyone around you in danger because you are not aiming - just shooting.

I don't really agree here. There is a reason why no agency's use revolvers. Messy magazines? What messy about it? That it can hold more than 6 rounds? I don't have a safety on my gun. My semi-auto is always loaded and ready to go. You can always get a DA or DA/SA semi-auto handgun if you prefer.

What if they're are 3 intruders and you get into a fire fight? I'm sure as hell you would rather have a semi-auto with a 16 round mag and the ability to reload extremely quickly.

That's like saying you would rather be on the dis-advantage because it is simpler.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by Tearlessj

I don't really agree here. There is a reason why no agency's use revolvers. Messy magazines? What messy about it? That it can hold more than 6 rounds? I don't have a safety on my gun. My semi-auto is always loaded and ready to go. You can always get a DA or DA/SA semi-auto handgun if you prefer.

What if they're are 3 intruders and you get into a fire fight? I'm sure as hell you would rather have a semi-auto with a 16 round mag and the ability to reload extremely quickly.

That's like saying you would rather be on the dis-advantage because it is simpler.

What happens that one time you forgot to rack a round?

What happens when that first casing stove pipes?

What happens when that striker breaks?

I know these are all statisticly next to impossible but so is a raging gun fight with three people in your house at 3am exhange 500 rounds.

There is still a lot of debate on cops having pistols. Accidentally discharges are up 500%, accuracy is way down, shots fired is way up and weapon failures are up.

Panicked people tend to empty there weapon...dumbing 6rds is often better than dumping 15 into god knows where.

Additionally even if you have 3 attackers - 2rds each is more than enough.

[1 88 U]

There are statistics that say ccw holders have a better hit ratio than cops. I think because most ccw's are hobbyist that practice regularly.

I think that LEO's should not be given exceptions. If NY wants a 7 round limit so should the police.

[K_style]

Originally Posted by 1 88 U

There are statistics that say ccw holders have a better hit ratio than cops. I think because most ccw's are hobbyist that practice regularly.

I think that LEO's should not be given exceptions. If NY wants a 7 round limit so should the police.

Doesn't matter if they limit to 7 or 5 or whatever,

Criminals will have an access of larger capacity magazines from other 49 states and from Mexico to go to NY to shoot.

It is definitely the stupid law by liberals who hates guns and trying to disarm citizens.

[1 88 U]

Looks like Biden agrees with Corbic

Biden: 'Buy a Shotgun! Buy a Shotgun!' | The Weekly Standard