Bavarian Motor Works

[bataangpinoy]

I also want to do an early model e30 (with euro bumpers and all the rare DE bits) with an f20c. The s14b23 is cool and I love it, but def not suited for a street car.

[vanish1]

^f20c isnt really a 'street' engine also

[simmode1]

^^^According to you.

[Corbic]

Keep it German, 1.8T

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

I also want to do an early model e30 (with euro bumpers and all the rare DE bits) with an f20c. The s14b23 is cool and I love it, but def not suited for a street car.

Ya not feeling this idea. It's like theRB powered E36 I saw advertised in San Diego. Just wrong, great engines but not for a German car.

[dudermagee]

I love CATuned stuff.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by simmode1

^^^According to you.

our definitions of streetable are different it seems.

I want torque across the powerband so stepping on the pedal in 5th or 6th gear I am moving somewhere.

the beauty that is a S54 dyno graph. (stock engine)

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ya not feeling this idea. It's like thhe RB powered E36 I saw advertised in San Diego. Just wrong, great engineers but not for a German car.

+1 funny because I feel the same way but I am fine with american powered bmws.

[e30gangsta]

Ls doesnt belong in any bmw.

Bagged 850 turbo s38 or 2j

[bataangpinoy]

LOL

I gave up on the notion of "purism" a long time ago...

I'm never satisfied with the performance of the M GmBH engines out of the box, especially for the money. Is it cool? Sure. But cool will only get me so far. To get my s14b23 where I want, I'd need to dump 15k in parts into it BEFORE any machining costs. Am I going to do it? Maybe. But the fact is that its just impractical to spend that much money for the little gains I'll see.

I'd maybe be at 250-280 WHP out of the VAC 2.5L stroker, the head work (296/288 cams, shim under bucket conversion, valves/springs/ P&P), headers (1k +), KMS Full standalone/necessary sensors/new wiring harness, Coil On Plug Conversion, Gruppe N oil pump, baffled pan, DTM airbox, Larger ITB's....

yeah. pointless.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by bataangpinoy

LOL

I gave up on the notion of "purism" a long time ago...

I'm never satisfied with the performance of the M GmBH engines out of the box, especially for the money. Is it cool? Sure. But cool will only get me so far.

To get my s14b23 where I want, I'd need to dump 15k in parts into it BEFORE any machining costs.

Its just not practical.

to be fair the s14 is one of the most maintenance heavy motors bmw ever put in a production car.

not really quite sure what youre trying to do with your motor, you didnt mention what the car is used for.

I guess I am not sharing the same feelings of jadedness that you are experiencing because I think my e36 w/ its stock s52 is all kinds of fun the same goes w/ my bone stock e21 w/ m10.

the m10 is getting a oem rebuild soon then im going to put a bajillion miles on it. some mild cams along the way, simple bpu mods.

theres all kinds of bmw engines and setups to get the e-peen excited for.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by vanish1

to be fair the s14 is one of the most maintenance heavy motors bmw ever put in a production car.

not really quite sure what youre trying to do with your motor, you didnt mention what the car is used for.

I guess I am not sharing the same feelings of jadedness that you are experiencing because I think my e36 w/ its stock s52 is all kinds of fun the same goes w/ my bone stock e21 w/ m10.

the m10 is getting a oem rebuild soon then im going to put a bajillion miles on it. some mild cams along the way, simple bpu mods.

theres all kinds of bmw engines and setups to get the e-peen excited for.

I can understand this my stock s52 has a fair amount of get up and go. Why , because they Torque in spades. Seriously the swap I want to do is the S54 into the E36. 300 whp with the extra torque.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

I can understand this my stock s52 has a fair amount of get up and go. Why , because they Torque in spades. Seriously the swap I want to do is the S54 into the E36. 300 whp with the extra torque.

yes s54 is pr0n, bpu s52 is titties, and the s50b32 is gangsta as well.

the best 'budget' s54 builds ive seen are the ones where the guy finds a wrecked e46 m3 for a good price, flips parts off of it to offset the cost.

part of me wants to import an euro e36 as a parts car, swap in all the goodies.

[GabeS14]

Funny after hearing some of the talk here..I never understood the hate for motors in different chassis.
I have been contemplating a motor swap for my E93, since the TT kit is taking forever to come out, and I seriously thought about a fully built RB or
2J with like 800hp.

I could care less about brands/labels/names etc..
I like a beautifull car + perfect motor that works just right for me.

if it gets the job done and pleases me then its perfect!

[vanish1]

you cray for considering a RB or 2J in place of your S65

n55 or lsx would be more appropriate

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by vanish1

you cray for considering a RB or 2J in place of your S65

n55 or lsx would be more appropriate

because I heart hi powered turbo...
and as much as I love the majestic S65, and it sounds like an exotic, I need more then 400hp..and 300tq..
The vert is very heavy....so it feels laggy.
I also consider the S85 supercharged a good option, ...if that makes you guys feel happy.

[vanish1]

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...ts-750whp-mark

just saying......

[GabeS14]

Originally Posted by vanish1

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...ts-750whp-mark

just saying......

Yeah I like the N54/55 and the new M4 motor, they have potential too, I would consider that also.

[simmode1]

See, this is why I've always had love for the 135i/335i. I always felt that the N54 was the second coming of the 2JZ and that those cars were stat for stat modern JZA80 Supras.

Even with their questional reliability issues, I'd rather have one of these than buy another car that needs a radical engine swap or N/A-T project to make it come alive.

The Beemer's vague steering issues have got to be a lot easier to figure out and fix rather than swapping an Audi V8 into a 17 year old Porsche...

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by simmode1

See, this is why I've always had love for the 135i/335i. I always felt that the N54 was the second coming of the 2JZ and that those cars were stat for stat modern JZA80 Supras.

Even with their questional reliability issues, I'd rather have one of these than buy another car that needs a radical engine swap or N/A-T project to make it come alive.

The Beemer's vague steering issues have got to be a lot easier to figure out and fix rather than swapping an Audi V8 into a 17 year old Porsche...

Just buy an e36 M3 even stock they really are not bad . It's not a case of feeling it does not have enough power.
I found what happens is you get used to it and want more. I take people for rides and punch it and they are pused back in there seats and I am just like ya it's quick. Lol.
Thing is you don't really have to do an engine swap either. Put a Supecharger on it and it turns into boosted monster.
I just like NA enough that an E46 M3 engine sounds inviting. Extra 100 hp. drop in.

[vanish1]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Just buy an e36 M3 even stock they really are not bad . It's not a case of feeling it does not have enough power.
I found what happens is you get used to it and want more. I take people for rides and punch it and they are pused back in there seats and I am just like ya it's quick. Lol.
Thing is you don't really have to do an engine swap either. Put a Supecharger on it and it turns into boosted monster.
I just like NA enough that an E46 M3 engine sounds inviting. Extra 100 hp. drop in.

I think with some cars balance is key. If it is a dd that gets driven around it gets old having suspension that cant travel or drivetrain issues because the hp/tq is over stressing the car.

The nice part is that there are compelling arguments for each method of madness, n/a vs boost.

silky smooth n/a I6s w/ ITBs vs boost thru overbuilt motors.

BMW over the past 40 years has released compelling engine choices each decade with the current gen re-entering the boost age.

The only real knock on current generation of cars besides electronics is the increase in weight which brings about disconnect of 'feel' between the driver and the road.

[simmode1]

Yeah, I'll take an overbuilt & boosted motor any day of the week. Feel free to enjoy the ecstasy of your N/A engine as a boosted one with easily double your hp or more blows your doors off at the track.

[kingkilburn]

I cringe every time someone brings up the notion of purity.

[vanish1]

I dont think anyone said they would choose a n/a motor over a boosted one.

why choose one?

thats the point really, so many great motors and chassis not everything needs to be maxed out w/ boost.

[drift freaq]

Too many people here are stuck on turbo. NA motors can be fun and torque monsters in the 6 and 8 cylinder world. Turbo's are fun and can be awesome at usually higher maintenance costs. It's just that way. The person who says Turbo or go home is just as close minded as the person who says NA is the only way.
Thing is BMW builds some powerful NA motors that are nothing to look down your nose or sneer at.
SR owners tend to have turbo itis . Or Turbo on the brain. Try and step back and look at the bigger picture in some applications Turbo is great in others NA can do a great job.

I can tell you though with Turbo you will spend more time fucking around with shit.lol

Oh and ya I used to own and drive a RB25DET powered S13 so put that in your my turbo will kick,your ass pipe and smoke it.

[simmode1]

As stated, its all just preference. I prefer turbo. Yeah, an N/A jza80 Supra might be fun but most would prefer the TT version. Same discussion, IMO. I'm not knocking BMW's N/A motors. They're pretty damn robust. But should you ever get the itch for a substantial power increase, you know turbo is the way to go.

[TMW]

true^

i prefer NA though.

one of my brother's good friends has a e90 335i with a tune, downpipes, exhaust etc. and it has like 400hp... crazy how much power it makes with so little done. pulls on my m3 easily. (e46)

[bataangpinoy]

Originally Posted by simmode1

Yeah, I'll take an overbuilt & boosted motor any day of the week. Feel free to enjoy the ecstasy of your N/A engine as a boosted one with easily double your hp or more blows your doors off at the track.

this thread is full of LOL.

[simmode1]

^^^How so?


Oh hi there...

[gearhead55]

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[vanish1]

the e46 m3 is tits <3