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SoSideways · 10-06-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

How would the inner heims be in bending? They rotate vertically on the inner bolt.

Every aftermarket front arm uses heims like that on the inner.

Driftworks geomaster hub knuckles V2 article:

Geometry nirvana | Driftworks

I hadn't had my coffee yet when I made that post yesterday.

I'm drinking some right now.

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Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

Although the prototype parts are that way, and work just dandy...
The outer bearing on the FLCA is fully enclosed on the production version.

Roger that.

Good deal.

Z33dori · 10-06-2010, 05:45 PM

god dammmit

95KA-Turbo · 10-06-2010, 06:05 PM

Their car isn't low at ALL, they're running 19s if I remember correctly:

I can't wait to get my crap all set up so I can take pictures of the suspension for the last freaking time and drive!

Slidin' Sam · 10-06-2010, 06:37 PM

Can anybody explain why the sway bar on the driftworks car is mounted to the bottom of the RLCA and why it is mounted so low? Thanks!

Def · 10-06-2010, 07:03 PM

Stock the cars mount the sway bar down there. As far as why they were too lazy to make an angle bracket above the existing bracket and move the endlink up, you got me...

PoorMans180SX · 10-06-2010, 07:05 PM

Nah, 18's all around.

Because the sway bar is always mounted to the bottom of the LCA? Have you looked under your car lately?

Not as low as some of us, but not exactly high:

The knuckles still correct a lot of the drop. I wish they would give us a shot of the front on the ground.

***S14DB*** · 10-06-2010, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidin' Sam

Can anybody explain why the sway bar on the driftworks car is mounted to the bottom of the RLCA and why it is mounted so low? Thanks!

That's the stock location on S14/15.

Def · 10-06-2010, 07:37 PM

S13s too.

Only on Zilvia is a car that's tucking a bit of tire "not low at all." haha

Slidin' Sam · 10-06-2010, 07:54 PM

Wow! Sorry, I had just woken up and I recently had knee surgery so I have been under the influence of some heavy pain pills! Whoops! I guess it just looked funny to me...I couldn't stop looking at it! lol

***S14DB*** · 10-06-2010, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

Stock the cars mount the sway bar down there. As far as why they were too lazy to make an angle bracket above the existing bracket and move the endlink up, you got me...

Can you elaborate on this more?

PoorMans180SX · 10-06-2010, 08:20 PM

Those are the universal Battle Version/Driftworks/Godspeed lower arms.

articdragon192 · 10-07-2010, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

here is view of the rear.

you can see that with our sway bar mounted so high it will keep the maximum ground clearance for the bottom of the link

a view with the car on the ground

Like this. Places the endlinks higher up for more sway bar clearance.
I wonder if these arms would work on a Z32.

SoSideways · 10-07-2010, 07:14 AM

I don't see why not.

It's like the exact same as the S-chassis rear arms, with the exception that you'll need that steel insert for the upright.

Slidin' Sam · 10-07-2010, 07:19 AM

does anybody know just how much extra "traction" you can dial in with aftermarket traction rods? like can you make a significant improvement on grip with them? I'm going to pick a pair shortly, just curious as to what other people have noticed from having them.

SoSideways · 10-07-2010, 07:22 AM

The length of the traction rods can help with keeping the toe change to a consistent level as it compresses and expands, almost eliminating the toe out situation as the rear suspension compresses.

Slidin' Sam · 10-07-2010, 07:37 AM

so I guess you can almost use it as a second toe rod then yeah? i just really need to add more grip to the rear of my car without buying more expensive tires.

slider2828 · 10-07-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SoSideways

The length of the traction rods can help with keeping the toe change to a consistent level as it compresses and expands, almost eliminating the toe out situation as the rear suspension compresses.

So at this point you extend the traction rod a little further than what stock is toi achieve that?

Slidin' Sam · 10-07-2010, 09:45 AM

Yes.

From PSM web-site:

~Increase traction by shortening this rod 1cm from stock length on higher cars or lengthen this rod for super low cars for correct geometry.

PoorMans180SX · 10-07-2010, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by articdragon192

Like this. Places the endlinks higher up for more sway bar clearance.
I wonder if these arms would work on a Z32.

When they make the S13 version, you can simply bolt them on your Z32. S13 and Z32 lower arms are the same.

DC Dan MAX USA · 10-07-2010, 12:32 PM

MAX RLCA sway bar position is exactly the same as the OEM RLCA.

GripTerror · 10-07-2010, 12:56 PM

I AM HOPING that you guys develop the rear drop spindle with z32 shock mount... not only will you make me happy you'll attract z32 owners to this... and... if im not mistaken the later r chassis r34 uses z32 style rear spindle no? Plus j30? I think?

Pandapants · 10-08-2010, 07:15 AM

On a double wishbone suspension, when you make an RC correction to the lower control arm, do you also have to make a correction to the upper A arm? Will it mess up you camber curve if you don't?

SoSideways · 10-08-2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by slider2828

So at this point you extend the traction rod a little further than what stock is toi achieve that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slidin' Sam

Yes.

From PSM web-site:

~Increase traction by shortening this rod 1cm from stock length on higher cars or lengthen this rod for super low cars for correct geometry.

From the research that some of the NRR guys did, yes, you lengthen the rod when you have lower than stock ride height, and at one point, there was barely any change in toe, going from droop to compression.

Slidin' Sam · 10-08-2010, 08:54 AM

I'm sorry, but who are the NRR guys?

thefro526 · 10-08-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Slidin' Sam

I'm sorry, but who are the NRR guys?

Nissan Road Racing

GripTerror · 10-08-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Slidin' Sam

I'm sorry, but who are the NRR guys?

The kick ass real car guys

Sorry just messing with zilvia

Slidin' Sam · 10-08-2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526

Nissan Road Racing

Cool, thanks! Never heard of it before!

Quote:

Originally Posted by GripTerror

The kick ass real car guys

Sorry just messing with zilvia

Haha, I just started reading through the site, looks pretty legit so far. Oh, and I don't see anything wrong with your comment!

onehundredoctane · 10-08-2010, 10:25 AM

anyone know if these are aval off the shelf for the S chassis? just wondering if the taper of the ball joint on the outter tie rod is aval on an adjustable tie rod adapter like the one in the link below. . .

Adjustable Tie-Rod Adapter Stud to Heim

I've just started keeping up with this thread and one of the main things I want to fix on my s chassis is the tie rod angle. Any input is appreciated!

Slidin' Sam · 10-08-2010, 11:13 AM

looks like you just want an aftermarket tie-rod end.

slider2828 · 10-08-2010, 11:17 AM

NRR is another website which Def, codyace, and a couple of others belong too. It stands for Nissan Road Racing....

SPL tie rods and most aftermarket tie rods include heim joints, just depends on the quality of joints you want.... So far SPL has been the best.... MR and Kazama suck loose after about a year....

10-06-2010, 05:45 PM	#1682
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10-06-2010, 06:05 PM	#1683
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 39 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Their car isn't low at ALL, they're running 19s if I remember correctly: I can't wait to get my crap all set up so I can take pictures of the suspension for the last freaking time and drive! __________________ Instagram - SJKnoop

10-06-2010, 06:37 PM	#1684
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Can anybody explain why the sway bar on the driftworks car is mounted to the bottom of the RLCA and why it is mounted so low? Thanks! __________________

10-06-2010, 07:03 PM	#1685
Def Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,701 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Stock the cars mount the sway bar down there. As far as why they were too lazy to make an angle bracket above the existing bracket and move the endlink up, you got me... __________________ S13 Hatch - Goes around tracks quickly DEFSPORT

10-06-2010, 07:05 PM	#1686
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 5,574 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Nah, 18's all around. Because the sway bar is always mounted to the bottom of the LCA? Have you looked under your car lately? Not as low as some of us, but not exactly high: The knuckles still correct a lot of the drop. I wish they would give us a shot of the front on the ground. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs. Last edited by PoorMans180SX; 10-06-2010 at 08:18 PM..

10-06-2010, 07:37 PM	#1688
Def Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,701 Trader Rating: (16) Feedback Score: 16 reviews	S13s too. Only on Zilvia is a car that's tucking a bit of tire "not low at all." haha __________________ S13 Hatch - Goes around tracks quickly DEFSPORT

10-06-2010, 07:54 PM	#1689
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Wow! Sorry, I had just woken up and I recently had knee surgery so I have been under the influence of some heavy pain pills! Whoops! I guess it just looked funny to me...I couldn't stop looking at it! lol __________________

10-06-2010, 08:20 PM	#1691
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 5,574 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Those are the universal Battle Version/Driftworks/Godspeed lower arms. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

10-07-2010, 07:14 AM	#1693
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I don't see why not. It's like the exact same as the S-chassis rear arms, with the exception that you'll need that steel insert for the upright. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

10-07-2010, 07:19 AM	#1694
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	does anybody know just how much extra "traction" you can dial in with aftermarket traction rods? like can you make a significant improvement on grip with them? I'm going to pick a pair shortly, just curious as to what other people have noticed from having them. __________________

10-07-2010, 07:22 AM	#1695
SoSideways Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 你老母 Posts: 4,371 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	The length of the traction rods can help with keeping the toe change to a consistent level as it compresses and expands, almost eliminating the toe out situation as the rear suspension compresses. __________________ SoSideway's iTrader Rating!! *SoSideways' Review Thread!!* http://sosideways.wordpress.com/

10-07-2010, 07:37 AM	#1696
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	so I guess you can almost use it as a second toe rod then yeah? i just really need to add more grip to the rear of my car without buying more expensive tires. __________________

10-07-2010, 09:45 AM	#1698
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Yes. From PSM web-site: ~Increase traction by shortening this rod 1cm from stock length on higher cars or lengthen this rod for super low cars for correct geometry. __________________

10-07-2010, 12:32 PM	#1700
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	MAX RLCA sway bar position is exactly the same as the OEM RLCA. __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

10-07-2010, 12:56 PM	#1701
GripTerror Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canada Age: 39 Posts: 685 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I AM HOPING that you guys develop the rear drop spindle with z32 shock mount... not only will you make me happy you'll attract z32 owners to this... and... if im not mistaken the later r chassis r34 uses z32 style rear spindle no? Plus j30? I think?

10-08-2010, 07:15 AM	#1702
Pandapants Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SoFla Age: 34 Posts: 302 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	On a double wishbone suspension, when you make an RC correction to the lower control arm, do you also have to make a correction to the upper A arm? Will it mess up you camber curve if you don't?

10-08-2010, 08:54 AM	#1704
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I'm sorry, but who are the NRR guys? __________________

10-08-2010, 10:25 AM	#1708
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	anyone know if these are aval off the shelf for the S chassis? just wondering if the taper of the ball joint on the outter tie rod is aval on an adjustable tie rod adapter like the one in the link below. . . Adjustable Tie-Rod Adapter Stud to Heim I've just started keeping up with this thread and one of the main things I want to fix on my s chassis is the tie rod angle. Any input is appreciated! Last edited by onehundredoctane; 10-08-2010 at 11:16 AM.. Reason: added info

10-08-2010, 11:13 AM	#1709
Slidin' Sam Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Japan Posts: 729 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	looks like you just want an aftermarket tie-rod end. __________________

10-08-2010, 11:17 AM	#1710
slider2828 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,998 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	NRR is another website which Def, codyace, and a couple of others belong too. It stands for Nissan Road Racing.... SPL tie rods and most aftermarket tie rods include heim joints, just depends on the quality of joints you want.... So far SPL has been the best.... MR and Kazama suck loose after about a year.... __________________ Turn and Burn!