Which coilover is the most comfortable?

[D1GP]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

Who said flex's were dyno proven? Where is this dyno plot?

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...nce+shock+dyno

http://www.y8spec.com/suspension/sho...20soft_FvD.GIF
For a Miata I believe.

[Wiisass]

But if that's for a Miata, then it really tells you nothing. I mean the only way you can get even a useful comparison out of it is to know the miata spring rates and suspension geometry so you can get an idea of what damping ratios they're shooting for. And even then, it's a best guess. I mean the curve doesn't look too bad in terms of cavitation or hysteresis, but they look a little progressive especially in rebound and too linear in compression. But that's just what I can take from a force-displacement plot for a totally different car.

Tim

[D1GP]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

But if that's for a Miata, then it really tells you nothing. I mean the only way you can get even a useful comparison out of it is to know the miata spring rates and suspension geometry so you can get an idea of what damping ratios they're shooting for. And even then, it's a best guess. I mean the curve doesn't look too bad in terms of cavitation or hysteresis, but they look a little progressive especially in rebound and too linear in compression. But that's just what I can take from a force-displacement plot for a totally different car.

Tim

have you looked at the first link? that one was specifically for an s13. someone overlayed the tein flex over the stance graph.

[Wiisass]

Well then I wonder where the data came from for the overlay plot. If that's the best there is for the flexes then they look like crap. The first 3 lines of the stance stuff were fine for an 8kg/mm spring, but for a 6kg/mm they would need to be a little softer. But they're putting out more rebound force. And just the way the curve looks on there, it looks bad. the lines shouldn't look like that.

[GTRS14]

hks hypermax rs....yup they do the job really well.....i have them wouldnt get anything different........

[spg240sx]

I have MR street coilovers for my S14, they are pretty stiff

[a_ahmed]

The only stuff i found on ohlin ttx is that its for bikes heh but thats just google to me What do i know lol...

[Wiisass]

http://www.ohlins.com/Automotive/Pro...5/Default.aspx

I wouldn't waste too much time looking into it. Unless you're ready to drop a lot of money (+$10k probably) on shocks, it's not going to happen. And who really wants to run a throughrod strut?

[SimpleS14]

I heard A'Pexi WS coilovers are fairly comfortable with a 6/4 spring rate...however I'm not sure if they are still in production. :/ I have KTS and they are only unbearable when the street your driving on is horrid (such as D.C._...but that's a given.

Originally Posted by MavericStephenc

we already have a thread for this topic

Then post a link.....

[AceInHole]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

http://www.ohlins.com/Automotive/Pro...5/Default.aspx

I wouldn't waste too much time looking into it. Unless you're ready to drop a lot of money (+$10k probably) on shocks, it's not going to happen. And who really wants to run a throughrod strut?

I believe the BMW set is $15k, and I'd run a throughrod strut if it meant I had Ohlins They're still way overkill, though. I'd probably stop at Moton 3-ways.

[DP_Michelle G]

OP

which ones did you get?

[Wiisass]

Originally Posted by AceInHole

I believe the BMW set is $15k, and I'd run a throughrod strut if it meant I had Ohlins They're still way overkill, though. I'd probably stop at Moton 3-ways.

Yeah, it would be cool, but totally overkill and probably a pain to package. But I would be happy with something like either of these.




This one uses roller bearings instead of a bushing between the strut housing and the shock body. I think that alone drives up the price because I've never been able to find any bearing that would meet those specs without getting something custom made.

But Motons would still be nice, I really want to see the plots for them and how they compare.

But enough about us talking about all the cool options that are a little too expensive and maybe 3 people on here will truly appreciate.

Back to what color coilovers should I get?

[AceInHole]

Originally Posted by Wiisass

But enough about us talking about all the cool options that are a little too expensive and maybe 3 people on here will truly appreciate.

Back to what color coilovers should I get?

Yellow.

End of story.

[articdragon192]

Didn't need a dyno graph to see that my coilovers were comfy and not stiff at all. No girl complained about the ride. That was all I needed to know my coilovers were just fine for comfort status.

[pbcstylez]

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

I heard A'Pexi WS coilovers are fairly comfortable with a 6/4 spring rate...however I'm not sure if they are still in production. :/ I have KTS and they are only unbearable when the street your driving on is horrid (such as D.C._...but that's a given.




Then post a link.....

I can confirm the WS coilovers are the most comfortable coils ive driven on DD, I can for a fact tell you not to buy D2s/ksports.

I am Stances, are they're not bad at all for DD

[FaLKoN240]

I got my KBee coils, I drove them around on full soft for about 300 miles. I loved it. It felt REALLY NICE. Not bouncy from underdampening (unlike my KTS which made the car look and feel bouncy on full soft).

The car felt connected to the road, but didn't give TOO much unwanted feedback. All in all the KBees feel very nice.

I'm riding on medium stiff all around now, and the car still feels good, but a little more sporty.

I'm gonna try full stiff for about 2 days after I get my alignment. After that it's back to full soft for driving to school and work.

[2iv0 sx]

I'm in love with my KBees' already

Started out at mid stiff (7 clicks all around) and I really like the ride for my daily driving. Freeway wasn't bad either for where the settings were at.

I'm going to try a lower setting soon and I can only expect a better ride!

Quality on these things looks amazing..

[240on430]

I'm currently rolling on GR+ pros on the softest setting with 40 series tires all around and I don't find the ride harsh.

If you want a comfortable ride with coilovers, don't get solid pillowball mounts like the Sustec Pro S-0C Type IIs or Stance GR sports.

[ryguy]

My Stance GR Basics arent very harsh when set all the way to soft. My friends don't even complain.

[MrChow]

Originally Posted by 240FaLKoN

I got my KBee coils, I drove them around on full soft for about 300 miles. I loved it. It felt REALLY NICE. Not bouncy from underdampening (unlike my KTS which made the car look and feel bouncy on full soft).

The car felt connected to the road, but didn't give TOO much unwanted feedback. All in all the KBees feel very nice.

I'm riding on medium stiff all around now, and the car still feels good, but a little more sporty.

I'm gonna try full stiff for about 2 days after I get my alignment. After that it's back to full soft for driving to school and work.

oo now I wanna try out BKee. Hey you should send that aspec for his reviews he needs.

[yudalicious]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

As for grip guys wanting soft springs, exactly the opposite is true. We need stiff springs to keep us off our tires.

Not too harsh though. I cringe everytime I see a fellow 240 owner with XXX brand Race model coilovers and all seasons.

[a_ahmed]

You know, Ohlins Montreal rep didn't get back to me with Ohlins' setup for an s13 (or s14). I don't think they have anything for us

So its gotta be custom more than likely Not sure what exactly.

Is there a moton setup for s13 or s14?

If I'm spending money though I would guess that 5k is the upperlimit on a coilover/damper setup...

I just got my SPL parts that I ordered, next project is subframe restoration and alum bushings.. then coilover/damper setup.. but car is currently parked for six months (winter till spring) hehe...

[illvialuver]

from what I have been in the kei office or dg5 would be my top choice along with the hks and the tein he.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by a_ahmed

You know, Ohlins Montreal rep didn't get back to me with Ohlins' setup for an s13 (or s14). I don't think they have anything for us

So its gotta be custom more than likely Not sure what exactly.

Is there a moton setup for s13 or s14?

If I'm spending money though I would guess that 5k is the upperlimit on a coilover/damper setup...

I just got my SPL parts that I ordered, next project is subframe restoration and alum bushings.. then coilover/damper setup.. but car is currently parked for six months (winter till spring) hehe...

Its possible Ohlins has discontinued their S13 and S14 lines. Our cars are a good 13-17 years old. Japan was the main marketplace for Ohlins for S13. Even there they are coming up on at least 9-10 years old. Yes lots of S13's still used in Japan but Ohlins is very expensive even in Japan. S14's were not as popular as the S13 in Japan.

[wannabe_drifter]

AceInHole : What Konis do you have ?? Would you recomment them for DD and track weekends ??

[AceInHole]

I'm running a 2-way adjustable 8611-1257 in a custom housing. I'd definitely recommend them, as they're easily replaceable once you obtain housings.


The only other real damper options are Bilsteins, which have to be imported at the moment, or Koni Yellows. Bilsteins are non-adjustable, but can be revalved cheaply and easily by a lot of places. The Koni yellows cost a bit more to be revalved, but off the shelf they'll handle springrates that most coilovers run anyways.

[vw_nissan]

Originally Posted by AceInHole

I'm running a 2-way adjustable 8611-1257 in a custom housing. I'd definitely recommend them, as they're easily replaceable once you obtain housings.


The only other real damper options are Bilsteins, which have to be imported at the moment, or Koni Yellows. Bilsteins are non-adjustable, but can be revalved cheaply and easily by a lot of places. The Koni yellows cost a bit more to be revalved, but off the shelf they'll handle springrates that most coilovers run anyways.

Just wondering where you can get custom housing? I am thinking about getting 2871, but need to know who will do the brackets and suck for a s13.

[vvtisupra]

Silk Road RMA8's They really do feel like you are riding on a silk road bahahah no but really that or tein flex

[AceInHole]

Originally Posted by vw_nissan

Just wondering where you can get custom housing? I am thinking about getting 2871, but need to know who will do the brackets and suck for a s13.

2817's would be awesome, although I honestly believe that the 8611's are the better deal in terms of price per dollar. My housings were made by veilside180sx, who can be contacted through Freshalloy.com, NissanRoadRacing.com, or KA-T.org.