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word sux · 07-01-2011, 04:41 PM

I agree my coils look super harsh during normal driving but they are very smooth and when I am on the track I get ALOT more suspension travel (but then again the road course at E-town has alot of elevation change).

get really good suspension parts especially coils then run a pretty conservative alignment

I run -3 camber in the front -1 in the rear. 0 toe in front and 1/16 to in, in the rear. and 7.3+ caster in the front

besides front camber my car is all within factory specs

JDMStanced · 07-01-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

coilovers. They just look like they are super stiff. Hell if you ever saw my s14 on the freeway, you would see almost no movement in my suspension. But On a track, I would get about 2 inches of compression.

I have a buddy running 5k springs on his KW's in the rear...coils just makes cars look like they ride really shitty.

Also, wheel cambers under compression...aka tucks in the fender. The lower the car...the easier the wheel will tuck under the fender because of the suspension geometry.

thanks for the reply. Those racing supercars must have mad negative cambers. i only paid attention to their wheel gap, not the camber.
Today i got the alignment done at OC infiniti, Rick is now working there. My alignment WAY off. Toe were freaking everywhere lol. There's a reason why my car was everywhere, sliping rear tires at low speed turning, and handling shitty. I set the alignment to Front: -2.5 camber, and 0.01 toe.
Rear: -1.3 camber, and 0 toe. My rear is lifted so much now comparing when i had -1.7 camber.
The car handles so much better now.

fckillerbee · 07-02-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JDMStanced

thanks for the reply. Those racing supercars must have mad negative cambers. i only paid attention to their wheel gap, not the camber.
Today i got the alignment done at OC infiniti, Rick is now working there. My alignment WAY off. Toe were freaking everywhere lol. There's a reason why my car was everywhere, sliping rear tires at low speed turning, and handling shitty. I set the alignment to Front: -2.5 camber, and 0.01 toe.
Rear: -1.3 camber, and 0 toe. My rear is lifted so much now comparing when i had -1.7 camber.
The car handles so much better now.

that's awesome. It's amazing what a good alignment will to to driving the car. Did you check your caster?

JDMStanced · 07-02-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

that's awesome. It's amazing what a good alignment will to to driving the car. Did you check your caster?

Front caster is at 8.4 degrees Left, and 8.8 degrees right. i know what caster is, but don't know how much the numbers affect the performance going straight and/or sideway.
Rear doesn't have casters shown.
SAI. Left 6.6
Right 6.4
Thrust angle: -.01

iamtheyi · 07-02-2011, 09:48 PM

Caster is how far your front wheels are pulled forward. These are adjusted by the tension rods. More caster = faster the steering wheel turns back

JDMStanced · 07-07-2011, 11:58 AM

looks like my caster is high but the steering turns back so slowly daily driving.

Back to super racing cars, how do they have zero wheel gap and still be able to turn hard, lots of compression? Wouldnt the tires rub the fenders?

MattRose · 07-07-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Csomme

Seriously? You think JRs car has positive camber? Are you retarded?

hardly anyone in formula D runs positive camber, if anyone even does.

I was at formula d rd 4 and many of the guys ran positive camber, especially up front. All the scions had a stupid amount of positive camber as well

slickdrifter · 07-07-2011, 01:19 PM

haul ass and throw the sh!+ out of it.

ComicArtist · 07-07-2011, 02:10 PM

Slid my first event last weekend.

The haul ass and throw your weight around method worked ok, but due to my 90hp it was kinda hard to get up to ass-hauling speed.

So I hauled as much ass as I could, feinted a little and clutchkicked like a mutha.

After I got used to that, I started using the handbrake mid-drift to help control the slide.

Spun out a bunch until I started countersteering quicker, but couldn't get a whole lot of angle.

I think I'm gonna get knuckles, tie rods, and bumpsteer spacers.

More power would help.

Csomme · 07-07-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MattRose

I was at formula d rd 4 and many of the guys ran positive camber, especially up front. All the scions had a stupid amount of positive camber as well

Positive in the front?

....really

jspec240 · 07-08-2011, 01:14 PM

Hey FCKILLERBEE what kind of parts do you need for your s13? Id like to get some ink work..

I was just at barret jacksons drift demo a couple of weeks ago with JR and JTP (driving JRs dads stock RTR) and his alignment had 0 camber.. it was perfectly aligned. It wasnt his comp car but he said it was close to it.

not my vid but u might get something out of it.

YouTube - ‪Drifting--Ford drifting experience at Barrett-Jackson Orange County‬&rlm;

thefro526 · 07-08-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MattRose

I was at formula d rd 4 and many of the guys ran positive camber, especially up front. All the scions had a stupid amount of positive camber as well

You sure on that?

Most Drift Cars I saw at FD New Jersey were running 3* to 7* (Eyeballing these numbers) of Negative camber up front and anywhere between + 1* to -3* in the rear...

Y0SH · 07-08-2011, 01:51 PM

Chris Forsberg runs positive camber.

fckillerbee · 07-08-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Csomme

Positive in the front?

....really

lol...exactly what I was thinking...lol this isn't forza. haha.

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Originally Posted by jspec240

Hey FCKILLERBEE what kind of parts do you need for your s13? Id like to get some ink work..

I was just at barret jacksons drift demo a couple of weeks ago with JR and JTP (driving JRs dads stock RTR) and his alignment had 0 camber.. it was perfectly aligned. It wasnt his comp car but he said it was close to it.

not my vid but u might get something out of it.

YouTube - ‪Drifting--Ford drifting experience at Barrett-Jackson Orange County‬&rlm;

I'll shoot you a pm.

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Originally Posted by thefro526

You sure on that?

Most Drift Cars I saw at FD New Jersey were running 3* to 7* (Eyeballing these numbers) of Negative camber up front and anywhere between + 1* to -3* in the rear...

I would second that. -4 to -6 is pretty average.

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Originally Posted by Y0SH

Chris Forsberg runs positive camber.

still waiting on that certain someone (couuuuuugh) to let us know the FACTS. lol

Csomme · 07-08-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

still waiting on that certain someone (couuuuuugh) to let us know the FACTS. lol

FUUUUUU, forgot to ask Chris, I was right there too.

Honestly, so many people say he runs a little I'm guessing so. I would like to think not, but one against many makes no sense. I'll send him an email or something. lmao.

Csomme · 07-08-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jspec240

Hey FCKILLERBEE what kind of parts do you need for your s13? Id like to get some ink work..

I was just at barret jacksons drift demo a couple of weeks ago with JR and JTP (driving JRs dads stock RTR) and his alignment had 0 camber.. it was perfectly aligned. It wasnt his comp car but he said it was close to it.

not my vid but u might get something out of it.

YouTube - ‪Drifting--Ford drifting experience at Barrett-Jackson Orange County‬&rlm;

Because it's a solid axle car, it's always going to have 0....

fckillerbee · 07-08-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Csomme

FUUUUUU, forgot to ask Chris, I was right there too.

Honestly, so many people say he runs a little I'm guessing so. I would like to think not, but one against many makes no sense. I'll send him an email or something. lmao.

haha funny thing is I sent him a message on FB. no reply. posted it again...no reply. I guess Im just not cool enough to talk to Chris. lol.

!Zar! · 07-08-2011, 05:31 PM

I still want to know why Forsberg's camber is so important?

Most of us are running s chassis, and the suspension geometry in back is different.

As I've said a bunch of times before, spring rate has a lot to do with how much the car squats. From my understanding guys are running softer springs in back. The softer the spring, the longer the travel, the more drastic the angle differences.

Csomme · 07-08-2011, 11:48 PM

Yeah, I guess it was just me arguing that he wasn't then a bunch of people saying he was and us wanting to get to the bottom of it.

As you increase in hp in drifting, you're going to need more traction, and obviously softer springs and a must, and with that a change in the valving. For instance, KW Clubsports, soft springs, wayyyyyy different valving. Great for higher HP drift cars. Squat a tonnn.

David, why don't you just shoot Mike Kojima and see what his take is on the whole positive camber thing. If you haven't ever talked to him, he's really freaking cool.

matts13vert · 07-11-2011, 02:41 AM

Ok guys i need some of your input. I went to a couple of local events here and i was having mad understeer when clutch kicking. I let one of the instructors drive and he could not get the car to slide out by clucth kicking either. Could too much stretch cause the understeer? I have 215/35 on a 18x10.

Would adding a rear sway bar help this issue? I need the 215/35 for clearance issues up front due to vert stock fender brace.. if worse comes to worse i will cut it out and weld in another.

iamtheyi · 07-11-2011, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by matts13vert

Ok guys i need some of your input. I went to a couple of local events here and i was having mad understeer when clutch kicking. I let one of the instructors drive and he could not get the car to slide out by clucth kicking either. Could too much stretch cause the understeer? I have 215/35 on a 18x10.

Would adding a rear sway bar help this issue? I need the 215/35 for clearance issues up front due to vert stock fender brace.. if worse comes to worse i will cut it out and weld in another.

Should post up your setup. stiffen the rear damping for the coils to almost max if you have them. And soften the fronts. That's some basic free fix. Rear sway would help. Your car didn't come with one stock?

matts13vert · 07-11-2011, 03:27 AM

PBM pro coils
Upgraded multilink
basic ka-t
6 puck clutch
welded diff
dampening full stiff in the rear, half way from stiff up front.

alignment -3.5 camber front -2 rear, 7 degrees caster, 0 toe

215/35 595ss all around on 18x10

I have the stock clothes hanger sway bar on right now but i meant swap it out for a larger one?

!Zar! · 07-11-2011, 09:54 AM

How much pressure are your front tires running? How about your rear?

A softer tire up front will help a lot.

Also, give your tires some time to heat up.

ILoveMyRHS13 · 07-11-2011, 12:13 PM

Not going to lie, Eric Castro's posts in this thread helped me a lot. Stock single cam with Z32 wheels. Enter as fast as you possibly can, feint, clutch kick the living fuck out of it and never lift.

iamtheyi · 07-11-2011, 12:16 PM

^^ I agree with !Zar!. Pump up your rear tire PSI to 60 and fronts leave them at 30-40

matts13vert · 07-12-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by !Zar!

How much pressure are your front tires running? How about your rear?

A softer tire up front will help a lot.

Also, give your tires some time to heat up.

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Originally Posted by iamtheyi

^^ I agree with !Zar!. Pump up your rear tire PSI to 60 and fronts leave them at 30-40

fronts were at 45psi

rears at 55psi..
ill be dropping the pressure up front to 35psi next time and changing tire size to 225/35. Thanks for the input guys!

!Zar! · 07-12-2011, 03:33 PM

Compound is important as well.

fckillerbee · 07-12-2011, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by matts13vert

PBM pro coils
Upgraded multilink
basic ka-t
6 puck clutch
welded diff
dampening full stiff in the rear, half way from stiff up front.

alignment -3.5 camber front -2 rear, 7 degrees caster, 0 toe

215/35 595ss all around on 18x10

I have the stock clothes hanger sway bar on right now but i meant swap it out for a larger one?

whoa whoa whoa.....what organization couldn't drift this car?!

this should be the easiest car to slide out.....

you need to drive the car harder. and ditch that instructor....not trying to be a dick...but I ran 18x10's on 225 40' on a stock KA. heavy ass gramlight multi piece wheels too.

only thing I could possibly think of is your front tires are old....but then again. I ran nankang's on the fronts...and they did just fine. but again...I drive hard.

csomme....is mike the guy that built the car? i'll hit him up. ask some q's.

edit: damn...federals all around. should be cake.

I ran 18x9 215 35 front and 18x10 225 40 rears...my wheels are probably heavier than your 521's if that's what you are driving on.(or around the same weight 24lbs)

too much strech will only stiffen the tire...won't make it impossible to drive...just a little harder. again...I ran damn near the same setup on my s14 (which s14's grip even more)

matts13vert · 07-13-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by fckillerbee

whoa whoa whoa.....what organization couldn't drift this car?!

this should be the easiest car to slide out.....

you need to drive the car harder. and ditch that instructor....not trying to be a dick...but I ran 18x10's on 225 40' on a stock KA. heavy ass gramlight multi piece wheels too.

only thing I could possibly think of is your front tires are old....but then again. I ran nankang's on the fronts...and they did just fine. but again...I drive hard.

csomme....is mike the guy that built the car? i'll hit him up. ask some q's.

edit: damn...federals all around. should be cake.

I ran 18x9 215 35 front and 18x10 225 40 rears...my wheels are probably heavier than your 521's if that's what you are driving on.(or around the same weight 24lbs)

too much strech will only stiffen the tire...won't make it impossible to drive...just a little harder. again...I ran damn near the same setup on my s14 (which s14's grip even more)

It was Charlie from JD, and tires were brand new when i hit the track. Ill be pushing it harder next time.
I might end up switching tires size up front to 225/35 to kind of ease the stretch.

fckillerbee · 07-13-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by matts13vert

It was Charlie from JD, and tires were brand new when i hit the track. Ill be pushing it harder next time.
I might end up switching tires size up front to 225/35 to kind of ease the stretch.

that's the problem right there...hahaha. charlie can't drive for shits! haha.

you can tell him I said so! haha.

Only person at JD that I would let test a car is Henry. charlie...hahahaha. thanks for this laugh..i'm gonna go make fun of him now. haha. (i'm really laughing hard right now....this is an ongoing joke we've had for like 5 years about how charlie shouldn't drive peoples cars)

edit: FACEBOOK BLASTED! lol

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iamtheyi Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brea, CA Age: 33 Posts: 2,252 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Caster is how far your front wheels are pulled forward. These are adjusted by the tension rods. More caster = faster the steering wheel turns back __________________

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jspec240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SIN CAL Age: 43 Posts: 2,096 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: jspec240 Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Hey FCKILLERBEE what kind of parts do you need for your s13? Id like to get some ink work.. I was just at barret jacksons drift demo a couple of weeks ago with JR and JTP (driving JRs dads stock RTR) and his alignment had 0 camber.. it was perfectly aligned. It wasnt his comp car but he said it was close to it. not my vid but u might get something out of it. YouTube - ‪Drifting--Ford drifting experience at Barrett-Jackson Orange County‬&rlm; __________________ DREW SLIDE TO SIDE WORLD WIDE Feedback!! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=182673 661 sliders Gymkhana @ buttonwillow http://zilvia.net/f/south-western-st...-sessions.html >> Bakersfield Hook up thread <<

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!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I still want to know why Forsberg's camber is so important? Most of us are running s chassis, and the suspension geometry in back is different. As I've said a bunch of times before, spring rate has a lot to do with how much the car squats. From my understanding guys are running softer springs in back. The softer the spring, the longer the travel, the more drastic the angle differences. __________________

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07-01-2011, 04:41 PM	#751
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 62 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree my coils look super harsh during normal driving but they are very smooth and when I am on the track I get ALOT more suspension travel (but then again the road course at E-town has alot of elevation change). get really good suspension parts especially coils then run a pretty conservative alignment I run -3 camber in the front -1 in the rear. 0 toe in front and 1/16 to in, in the rear. and 7.3+ caster in the front besides front camber my car is all within factory specs

07-07-2011, 11:58 AM	#756
JDMStanced Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: irvine Posts: 606 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	looks like my caster is high but the steering turns back so slowly daily driving. Back to super racing cars, how do they have zero wheel gap and still be able to turn hard, lots of compression? Wouldnt the tires rub the fenders?

07-07-2011, 01:19 PM	#758
slickdrifter Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: P-town Posts: 319 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	haul ass and throw the sh!+ out of it.

07-07-2011, 02:10 PM	#759
ComicArtist Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 280 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Slid my first event last weekend. The haul ass and throw your weight around method worked ok, but due to my 90hp it was kinda hard to get up to ass-hauling speed. So I hauled as much ass as I could, feinted a little and clutchkicked like a mutha. After I got used to that, I started using the handbrake mid-drift to help control the slide. Spun out a bunch until I started countersteering quicker, but couldn't get a whole lot of angle. I think I'm gonna get knuckles, tie rods, and bumpsteer spacers. More power would help.

07-08-2011, 01:51 PM	#763
Y0SH Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 318 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Chris Forsberg runs positive camber.

07-08-2011, 11:48 PM	#769
Csomme Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: north carolinazzz Age: 33 Posts: 1,009 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Yeah, I guess it was just me arguing that he wasn't then a bunch of people saying he was and us wanting to get to the bottom of it. As you increase in hp in drifting, you're going to need more traction, and obviously softer springs and a must, and with that a change in the valving. For instance, KW Clubsports, soft springs, wayyyyyy different valving. Great for higher HP drift cars. Squat a tonnn. David, why don't you just shoot Mike Kojima and see what his take is on the whole positive camber thing. If you haven't ever talked to him, he's really freaking cool.

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!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	How much pressure are your front tires running? How about your rear? A softer tire up front will help a lot. Also, give your tires some time to heat up. __________________

07-11-2011, 12:16 PM	#775
iamtheyi Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Brea, CA Age: 33 Posts: 2,252 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	^^ I agree with !Zar!. Pump up your rear tire PSI to 60 and fronts leave them at 30-40 __________________

07-12-2011, 03:33 PM	#777
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Compound is important as well. __________________