US will be hit by international crisis if Obama is elected

[RJF]

28 replies in this thread and no one has called Biden a "fear-monger", yet if this statement would have been made by McCain or Palin they would have been crucified for inciting fear to try and win the election.

Hmmm, strange how that works.

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by RJF

28 replies in this thread and no one has called Biden a "fear-monger", yet if this statement would have been made by McCain or Palin they would have been crucified for inciting fear to try and win the election.

Hmmm, strange how that works.

Oh he is. I was trying to be civil and not start a fight with anyone. I hate when someone gets butt hurt and the thread gets locked. Our whole political system is engineered that way, divide and conquer.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by RJF

28 replies in this thread and no one has called Biden a "fear-monger", yet if this statement would have been made by McCain or Palin they would have been crucified for inciting fear to try and win the election.

Hmmm, strange how that works.

what Biden said (sans the irrelevant and cheesy part about getting the populace riled up) was just overstating the obvious. the shit has already hit the fan. it would not have mattered who was actually saying it. 'Fear-Monger' my ass. I'd call him 'Master of the Obvious'. he'd sooner put everyone to sleep before he has a chance to instill any fear at all. the guy has no interesting ideas, has nothing to say that hasn't been said many times before, and is an absolute bore. I have no doubt he will top Dan Quayle in notoriety (although Palin would have been a lot worse)..

Actually, I think it would have been to McCain's advantage to speak more about the international crises during these times, instead of attacking Obama. Russia, Afganistan, Pakistan, and Iran would all have been serious issues that he could have capitalized better on for the sake of his election. Regardless of whether or not it's actually the case, voters have a tendency to think conservatives are more capable when dealing with that sort of thing.

[aa87]

Same thing would probably happen to Mccain, except Mccain will make the "Fiscal conservative" decisions like keep cutting taxes and continue fucking the deficit while biden obama get us back into surplus mode.

[SlideWell]

fuck mc cain and his old ass. i know more well educated people in working on their PhD's and MD's that despise McCain and proves right when i see uneducated persons around sporting a McCain sticker. all you do is what mcFAKE does, attack attack attack.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by SlideWell

fuck mc cain and his old ass.

Who's doing the attacking? When you can't argue the facts the name-calling and lies start.

[EroGori]

Originally Posted by aa87

Same thing would probably happen to Mccain, except Mccain will make the "Fiscal conservative" decisions like keep cutting taxes and continue fucking the deficit while biden obama get us back into surplus mode.

I think that is an overly simplified economic conclusion.

[renegade_ewok]

Originally Posted by RJF

He said "international crisis".

I thought the world was going love us once Obama was elected?

Your twisting words... He isn't saying the crisis will come in the form of confidence or American power architecture based on the fact an individual is president, he is just saying there will be one... nothing further... this, is key.

The Time Order and a Correlational clause isn't present here... You can't infer anything to the degree you want to based on this statement. If you ever took any kind of research/ethics class in college you know those kind of inferences cannot be made unless you can directly and infallibly attribute the two events.

The way you put it, if Obama were to hypothetically be elected president there will be a crisis that would instantiate itself that would not had McCain been elected... Do you think the rest of the American-hating world cares who heads up the United States? It's not even what we stand for anymore - they hate because they have, always will, and can. It's the U.N. nations that like Obama a whole lot more than McCain (note I said the U.N. nations, not the UN).

If Obama is elected the world won't suddenly be "right", and everything broken will be unbroken... Same for McCain, everything that is broken won't simply be fixed. I wish it was that easy hah

[RJF]

Originally Posted by renegade_ewok

If Obama is elected the world won't suddenly be "right", and everything broken will be unbroken... Same for McCain, everything that is broken won't simply be fixed. I wish it was that easy hah

But the world will love us again. That's what Barry has said in numerous speeches.

I'm not the one that made the original statement about a crisis, It was Biden.
And he did say "international crisis" and it will happen within 6 months.

Hopefully it won't be that nutcase in Iran attacking Israel with nukes, because if that should happen, we need to change the weather in Tehran to 3000 degrees and overcast.

[Antihero983]

^ do you like the smell of your own bullshit? you must.

you do realize no matter who we get in there, WE ARE FUCKED.

i almost considered voting for mccain, i did, but then he got Palin as VP.

[renegade_ewok]

Originally Posted by RJF

I'm not the one that made the original statement about a crisis, It was Biden.
And he did say "international crisis" and it will happen within 6 months.

Then re-word your thread title...

What you said was, "US will be hit by international crisis if Obama is elected" and you worded it in a manner that sounded like there was an inevitable, but sequential and situational based occurrence around the election of Obama. That's like saying the U.S. was attacked because Bush was elected... we got attacked because we've been breeding enemies out of past allies who happen to change their minds in the later years. Shit happens, hindsight is 20/20.

If there will be a crisis, there will be a crisis regardless of who is president. Biden said Obama will be tested by a crisis. I think this is true, but it will not be a crisis that is a reactionary and indellibly linked event to the election of one man. Stop trying to assassinate his character.

I believe it is true that there will be sort of a re-judging of the U.S.'s status quo in the international community if Obama is elected president in the westernized democracies/republics in Europe. Don't say everyone, it's not that simple and everyone knows it; except for you maybe if your trying to go after him about this, it's just a good selling point. There is a reason for the fervor that Europe has adopted, you saw how Obama was received. They like the bastard. If the broader social collective likes him, that will translate to government because... well, politicans will be politicans. What would happen if McCain went to Europe? Nothing, probably protesters... I don't know.

What did I get from the little excerpt you put up? It's an attempt at sympathy. He is getting people emotionally involved, leveling his character - getting people behind him. It's a good tactic and it hasn't been used well in... well, a long time. Is it being used well here? Not really, he kind of stumbles through it without a silver tongue which is really what you need here.

For the record, I'm leaving the country after I'm done with school here, I don't care who is elected at all.

[RJF]

Al Qaeda has tested every US President since the 90's.

The original World Trade Center bombing happened not too long after Clinton was elected.

Clinton did nothing and we were attacked again several years later with the US Embassy bombings in Africa and then the USS Cole bombing.

Again Clinton did nothing.

9/11 happened 7 months after Bush took office.

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

[ZenkiGTS]

its already happenin... we're not the only ones that need help

[YoungGun]

Agreed to being fucked either way.

I was too considering mccain, but palin is the vp, we can't have her as a president no waaaaay.

[Baka Sama]

Originally Posted by RJF

Al Qaeda has tested every US President since the 90's.

The original World Trade Center bombing happened not too long after Clinton was elected.

Clinton did nothing and we were attacked again several years later with the US Embassy bombings in Africa and then the USS Cole bombing.

Again Clinton did nothing.

9/11 happened 7 months after Bush took office.

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

Was there ever an Al Qaeda presence in Iraq before the 2003 invasion?

You praise Bush for taking the fight to Al Qaeda but you bitch and whine about having to pay extra taxes. I dont get it. It cost $10.3 billion to fund this so called war a month. Who do you think is gonna pay for it in the long run? You will, the small bussiness owner making 100k+ a year.

[Baka Sama]

Just think, Mccain will more than likely be dead within the next 10 years. DEAD. Obama will be president, get over it. If you need me to send you some lube to make it easier on you just let me know. Mark my words, Obama will be president and nothing will change.

[Pank]

Originally Posted by RJF

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

you know, except for the daily attacks overseas

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by YoungGun

Agreed to being fucked either way.

I was too considering mccain, but palin is the vp, we can't have her as a president no waaaaay.

x3. it also calls into question McCain's judgment. Palin has not only proven herself to be horribly incompetent (makes bush look sophisticated in comparison), but her ideologies are bordering on the right extreme, and her scandals are not helping either.

Regardless I think even if McCain picked a stronger VP, it would have been difficult for him to win, given the dismal current economic circumstances. One could argue the only real competition was between Clinton and Obama. None of the Republican candidates would have had any real chance.

[RJF]

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

x3. it also calls into question McCain's judgment. Palin has not only proven herself to be horribly incompetent (makes bush look sophisticated in comparison), but her ideologies are bordering on the right extreme, and her scandals are not helping either.

Regardless I think even if McCain picked a stronger VP, it would have been difficult for him to win, given the dismal current economic circumstances. One could argue the only real competition was between Clinton and Obama. None of the Republican candidates would have had any real chance.

And what makes Obama so qualified? And what about his scandals and associations?

Palin has more executive experience than any of the candidates.

Biden? That was a strong choice. He's a walking gaffe machine with statements like he made yesterday. and his plagiarism scandal from years ago.

We don't hear about those?

And why is McCain being blamed for the economy? If you look at the facts the Democrats in Congress (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, among others) blocked any legislation proposed by Bush in 2003 and yes, McCain in 2003 to reform the mortgage industry that prompted the housing/credit crisis.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST? read on... - Topix

read It...trust me It.. May be a bit much to say but read It

[Antihero983]

ok so palin is a governor.....how does that make her great?

I don't really care about experience to be honest, because it hasnt proven shit in the past, so why the fuck would it change things now?

[MikeisNissan]

I'm voting for Dave Chappelle. Mars bitches.

[ESmorz]

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST? read on... - Topix

read It...trust me It.. May be a bit much to say but read It

What am I supposed to be reading?

Half of the people posting in there can barely string a coherent thought together.

[Gnnr]

Originally Posted by RJF

Hopefully it won't be that nutcase in Iran attacking Israel with nukes, because if that should happen, we need to change the weather in Tehran to 3000 degrees and overcast.

If anyone is gonna nuke anyone its North Korea.

Originally Posted by RJF

And why is McCain being blamed for the economy?

No one is blaming him. No one TRUSTS him to handle the economy. I'll say a good portion of the blame goes to the 80s Republican Party and Reagan. And I guess a lot of people are suspicious over his campaign manager.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us...prod=permalink

Originally Posted by RJF

Palin has more executive experience than any of the candidates.

Yeah, with troopergate and the bridge. She's already a great flip flopper. Just like ALL politicians. One day RJF, you'll admit that BOTH parties are full of shit. One day.

Palin bridge to nowhere line angers many Alaskans | Reuters.com

Originally Posted by RJF

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

The first WTC attack was on February 26, 1993. The 9/11 attacks where over 8 1/2 years later. Its been 7 years since 9/11, we're not in the "clear" by any means...don't get a false sense of security.

McNeedsACane is not much different than Bush.

The Word - Lexicon Artist | June 18,2008 - Junot Diaz | ColbertNation.com

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by RJF

Al Qaeda has tested every US President since the 90's.

The original World Trade Center bombing happened not too long after Clinton was elected.

Clinton did nothing and we were attacked again several years later with the US Embassy bombings in Africa and then the USS Cole bombing.

Again Clinton did nothing.

9/11 happened 7 months after Bush took office.

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

Good points.

[cc4usmc]

Originally Posted by 98s14inaz

Good points.

Did you not read the post above yours?

[98s14inaz]

Originally Posted by cc4usmc

Did you not read the post above yours?

Yup. I stand by what I said.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by RJF

And what makes Obama so qualified? And what about his scandals and associations?

Palin has more executive experience than any of the candidates.

Biden? That was a strong choice. He's a walking gaffe machine with statements like he made yesterday. and his plagiarism scandal from years ago.

We don't hear about those?

And why is McCain being blamed for the economy? If you look at the facts the Democrats in Congress (Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, among others) blocked any legislation proposed by Bush in 2003 and yes, McCain in 2003 to reform the mortgage industry that prompted the housing/credit crisis.

I'm not convinced Obama is qualified either, but I do think he's running a very effective campaign, and the results clearly speak for itself. Defeating Hillary in the Democratic primaries (even when losing most key states) isn't exactly a walk in the park. Obama's experience might be suspect, but I'd say to many voters he has proven himself capable enough to earn their vote. Capability (perceived by the public and/or actual) and experience aren't exactly the same thing.

Palin is embarassment regardless of her executive experience. I was actually a bit more inclined towards McCain than Obama, before the VP nominations.

Biden isn't a strong choice, I agree, but it's not a horrible one either. He's annoying, but not exactly frightening in any serious way. It was a safe, but boring decision that addressed Obama's lack in international affairs, and overall experience.

I never blamed McCain for the economy. I don't even think Bush is entirely to be blamed either. Many people made mistakes.

[SlideWell]

Originally Posted by Gnnr

If anyone is gonna nuke anyone its North Korea.



No one is blaming him. No one TRUSTS him to handle the economy. I'll say a good portion of the blame goes to the 80s Republican Party and Reagan. And I guess a lot of people are suspicious over his campaign manager.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us...prod=permalink



Yeah, with troopergate and the bridge. She's already a great flip flopper. Just like ALL politicians. One day RJF, you'll admit that BOTH parties are full of shit. One day.

Palin bridge to nowhere line angers many Alaskans | Reuters.com



The first WTC attack was on February 26, 1993. The 9/11 attacks where over 8 1/2 years later. Its been 7 years since 9/11, we're not in the "clear" by any means...don't get a false sense of security.

McNeedsACane is not much different than Bush.

The Word - Lexicon Artist | June 18,2008 - Junot Diaz | ColbertNation.com

well put. my drunk posts on zilvia could not be better said. let alone argue with mr. super admin. hes just lookin for someone to bitch him out and ban em. instigating, wanting a rise. i mean really, why else does he post this bullcrap? really thinkin he'll change the way people vote? LMAO!!!

[Grendel]

Originally Posted by RJF

Al Qaeda has tested every US President since the 90's.

The original World Trade Center bombing happened not too long after Clinton was elected.

Clinton did nothing and we were attacked again several years later with the US Embassy bombings in Africa and then the USS Cole bombing.

Again Clinton did nothing.

9/11 happened 7 months after Bush took office.

Bush took the the fight to Al Qaeda and we haven't been attacked since.

Why do they need to come here and attack us? We keep sending them new soldiers to kill every day.

Obama might face some crisis, but McCain would probably cause one.