The 2020 Presidential Race

[exitspeed]

Despite all the impeachment bs, Trump is still hard at work. Another big win for the American people here.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trump-...ry?id=66002425

As a parent of a child who has been diagnosed as autistic (although it’s far more complicated than just saying he’s on the spectrum) and the reality of services that are offered to thin running out beyond school this is really great news.

Non partisan, just winning.

[lewisfk]

This is great, but who is paying for it? Smell like socialism!

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Despite all the impeachment bs, Trump is still hard at work. Another big win for the American people here.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trump-...ry?id=66002425

As a parent of a child who has been diagnosed as autistic (although it’s far more complicated than just saying he’s on the spectrum) and the reality of services that are offered to thin running out beyond school this is really great news.

Non partisan, just winning.

Not shitting on trump, however Autism CARES became law in 2006 when it was originally called the Combating Autism Act. It was reauthorized in 2011. In 2014, it was renamed and reauthorized again.

This has been around since before trump and Obama actually, so I hope you were accessing this prior to the current trump signing (or atleast if you have had a chance to review the new Authorization it, any changes that were made help you and your son).

https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-cares-act

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

.....Oh Ok then.

3.Not sure what any of that has to do with Obama's recovery considering the actual facts state without Obama admin's intervention, there would be no recovery.


2.If anything bunk mortgage backed securities, the banking industry (and people living above their means, which isn't a left/right wing thing) and


1. the GOP's fascination with war is what brought to the


4. crash of 08.

Let's unpack this as nonpartisan as possible.

1. GOP is no more "war mongering" then the DNC, both historically and present. I'd argue the opposite since the DNC dragged us into the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

The reality is both parties are full of oligarchs who see war as a tool to build support. There are just as many, if not more, DNC members in the pockets of the "military industrial complex" as there are GOP. Plenty of Blue states have huge defense contractor presences, California, Washington, Maryland, New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois, etc.

DNC almost unanimously supported the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq until they didn't for political reasons. Once Obama was in, back to war! As he expanded drone strikes, supported the over throw of allies and stables governments and let the CIA run a muck. Whole DNC suddenly forgot about black sites and GITMO.

Another example, DNC howled when Bush "let" Russia invade Georgia. (Proven a internationally legal peace keeping intervention).

But then it was the GOP howling when Obama "let" the Russians "invade" Crimea (Condemned internationally... But Crimea was always Russia's)

Now we have GOP AND DNC crying about Trump. GOP cried Obama was soft on Iran, now the DNC is crying Trump is to soft on Syria and mean to Iran but he should have bombed Iran!

Both then cry he cuts spending or beats up on Lockheed and the Airforce...

Saddly thr US has become very good at applying force and the oligarchs are drunk on it.

*also interesting how the DNC cries NYT, Times, CNN and the intellegenence community lied to them and got WMD wrong... But now hold them as a gold standard.


2. Big Banks = GOP = Trump

Again, this is not correct. First, the banks fucking hate Trump. Trump wants to dismantle the Fed and has talked about returning to a gold standard.

For better or worse, he is not in lock step with "the financial community".

Second, most of these "big banks" heavily support the DNC, both in contributions and actions. It was no secret they wanted Hilary. Barny Frank and Chris Dobbs where basically the architects for the mortgage crisis.

Third, you mention "living beyond means" as a problem, but who made that possible? Many laws have been passed under the guise of "Social progression" and equality, equal leading laws, subsidized student loans to anyone with a pulse, mortgages for everyone!

Much of the loan industry has its hands tied. Further, you now currently have the DNC offering to relieve student debt, which is basically a giant banking pay off and vote bribe.

3. What interventions?

Massive Spending using Chinese financed debt, much of which was embezzled, stolen or lost. What did make it into the economy was then used to bank roll moving jobs to... China?

Healthcare reform that... Wait for it....

FUCKED EVERYONE

Rich people now pay 4x as much, poor people still don't have coverage, old people still don't have coverage and anyone that does have coverage pays out the ass... Oh and we spent a katrillaon dollars on it. Sounds Great!!!

4. The Afghan/Iraq conflicts did not crash the economy. Unsecured toxic mortgages being bundled and sold did. As stated, the orgin of this was the DNCs 1990's plan to get more poor people into homes and college. (mortgages and student loans).

Unfortunately neither party took action after the collapse to make corporate boards and exicutives personally responsible for their actions.


I find it interesting you have to have a license to teach, clean teeth, practice law and medicine , open a day care, sell cars, guns, alcohol, cooked food etc... But you don't have to have one to run a trillion dollar corporation into the ground and bankrupt a country...

[rvns14]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Let's unpack this as nonpartisan as possible.

1. GOP is no more "war mongering" then the DNC, both historically and present. I'd argue the opposite since the DNC dragged us into the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.

Sigh, if only they had something reasonable to go to war for like hanging up a mission accomplished banner, not preventing people from being property; truly a dark time in history.

[rvns14]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Despite all the impeachment bs, Trump is still hard at work. Another big win for the American people here.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/trump-...ry?id=66002425

As a parent of a child who has been diagnosed as autistic (although it’s far more complicated than just saying he’s on the spectrum) and the reality of services that are offered to thin running out beyond school this is really great news.

Non partisan, just winning.

I dont have children, not a big win for me.
If Wisconsin hadnt given Foxconn, millions in exchange for them to blow you a kiss, your local funding might provide more.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by rvns14

Sigh, if only they had something reasonable to go to war for like hanging up a mission accomplished banner, not preventing people from being property; truly a dark time in history.

Ummm,

You do realize Lincoln was a Republican, right? The DNC started the war to keep their slaves.

Also, Vietnam... Hmmm helping the French put down a colonial uprising.....

Hmmmm... WWI... Helping the monarchs destroy the world and murder millions over petty pride.

WW2... Hmmmm going to war with Germany... Because of Japan.... Because we want to save Poland... But then sign an agreement to give Poland to the Communists.

Cause, yeah, Half the world under Communist rule is so much better then Europe under Facist Germany. Hmmmm

[lewisfk]

^^wow! I love that flawed history lesson. We should all know about the Dixiecrats and how over time they became Republicans. Can we keep the tread relevant and focus on the last 25 years or so!
FYI Japan would have never attacked the U.S. if we didn't slap them with tariffs, blockaded their shipping lanes, and stop their expansion. Vietnam war started over a lie, the Navy Ship USS Maddox was never attacked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.his...mocratic-south

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by lewisfk

^^wow! I love that flawed history lesson. We should all know about the Dixiecrats and how over time they became Republicans.

No such thing as a Dixiecrat in 1863. Go back and read a history book.

Originally Posted by lewisfk

FYI Japan would have never attacked the U.S. if we didn't slap them with tariffs, blockaded their shipping lanes, and stop their expansion.

The work of the DNC.... To stop the slaughter of millions of Chinese...

Originally Posted by lewisfk

Vietnam war started over a lie, the Navy Ship USS Maddox was never attacked.

US had a presence there long before that. And we still had a DNC president and the media carried it.

Again, my point seems to be completely lost on you.

Both Parties push for war because both are full of Olagarch Politicians who benifit. The idea that the GOP is a "war mongering" group is idiotic.

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic. To Note: NO STANDING PRESIDENT can get us into a war unless voted in by Congress!

WW1 - The Vote by Congress was almost unanimous

Two days after the U.S. Senate voted 82 to 6 to declare war against Germany, the U.S. House of Representatives endorses the declaration by a vote of 373 to 50, and America formally enters World War I.

So no, the DNC DID NOT pull us into WWI. Germany torpedoed several ships, including an Italian ship carrying 27 Americans, all who perished at the hands of Germany. In addition, Germany started an all encompassing war against one of our biggest trading partners, an Allied, Britain.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-...rs-world-war-i

WW2 - America remained neutral until Japan bombed Pearl Harbour. Congress only had one dissenting vote against entering war with Japan, and ultimately Germany and Italy.

America's isolation from war ended on December 7, 1941, when Japan staged a surprise attack on American military installations in the Pacific. The most devastating strike came at Pearl Harbor, the Hawaiian naval base where much of the US Pacific Fleet was moored. In a two-hour attack, Japanese warplanes sank or damaged 18 warships and destroyed 164 aircraft. Over 2,400 servicemen and civilians lost their lives.

Though stunned by the events of December 7, Americans were also resolute. On December 8, President Roosevelt asked Congress to declare war against Japan. The declaration passed with just one dissenting vote. Three days later, Germany and Italy, allied with Japan, declared war on the United States. America was now drawn into a global war. It had allies in this fight--most importantly Great Britain and the Soviet Union. But the job the nation faced in December 1941 was formidable.

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/st...ke-closer-look

Civil War -
The Democratic Party was formed in 1792, when supporters of Thomas Jefferson began using the name Republicans, or Jeffersonian Republicans, to emphasize its anti-aristocratic policies. It adopted its present name during the Presidency of Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. In the 1840s and '50s, the party was in conflict over extending slavery to the Western territories. Southern Democrats insisted on protecting slavery in all the territories while many Northern Democrats resisted.

The party split over the slavery issue in 1860 at its Presidential convention in Charleston, South Carolina.
Northern Democrats nominated Stephen Douglas as their candidate, and Southern Democrats adopted a pro-slavery platform and nominated John C. Breckinridge in an election campaign that would be won by Abraham Lincoln and the newly formed Republican Party. After the Civil War, most white Southerners opposed Radical Reconstruction and the Republican Party's support of black civil and political rights

https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/jimcro...emocratic.html

However, the key is, those Democrats, who supported slavery, ALL SHIFTED TO THE GOP in the 1960s during the Southern Strategy

I am pretty sure you are going to ignore that last line because it doesn't fit your narrative. But whatever. I am not going to argue the rest......You yourself need to go read a book.

1960 TO 1964: RACIAL ISSUES REEMERGE, AND REPUBLICANS MOVE TO THE RIGHT

During the 1950s events such as the Supreme Court’s 1954 ruling ordering schools to desegregate (Brown v. Board of Education ) and the 1957 crisis attending the integration of Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, kept civil rights issues on the national agenda. However, the Democratic and Republican parties equivocated on civil rights issues, until 1964. That year, President Lyndon B. Johnson and northern members of Congress from both parties overcame fierce southern Democratic opposition to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which outlawed segregated public places, including most private businesses, and banned employment discrimination. Meanwhile, Republicans moved sharply rightward on racial issues (Carmines and Stimson 1989), nominating Arizona senator Barry Goldwater for the presidency in 1964. Far more conservative on racial issues than previous Republican candidates had been, Goldwater argued forcefully against the Civil Rights Act, emphasizing his view that proper jurisdiction over civil rights policy lay with the states, not the federal government. Goldwater’s argument was not openly racist: He neither vilified blacks nor made openly segregationist appeals, as Thurmond and other southern Democratic politicians had for decades. Nonetheless, Goldwater’s position was enormously attractive to white southerners enraged by the national Democratic Party’s embrace of civil rights laws. President Johnson won a landslide reelection over Goldwater in 1964. But Goldwater carried five Deep South states that had not voted Republican in presidential elections since Reconstruction. The Democratic lock on the South was broken, and issues and developments after 1964 would continue to erode white southerners’ loyalty toward the Democratic Party.

The southern strategy, then, first emerged in 1964 to attract white southerners by positioning the Republican Party as the new political home for racial conservatism (Carmines and Stimson 1989). Columnist Robert Novak (1965) described the southern strategy as encompassing staunch anti-Communism in foreign affairs and conservative appeals for a less activist federal government in domestic affairs, and deemphasizing civil rights without endorsing racial segregation or discrimination, to attract white southerners but avoid alienating moderate whites with raw racial appeals. After 1964 the southern strategy flowered, but with a changing issue focus, favoring more covertly racial issues such as social welfare programs, “law and order,” school busing, and, in the 1980s, affirmative action and violent crime.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-...thern-strategy

[RalliartRsX]

Corbic

In terms of the Iraq war, Throughout late 2001, 2002, and early 2003, the Bush Administration (GOP) worked to build a case for invading Iraq. Did you already forget about WMDs??

[RalliartRsX]

And Corbic, I'm going to ask the qusitik question again since you went so far off on your diatribe

What does any of this or the Great New Deal have to do with Obama's recovery? You have zigged and sagged but refuse to answer my original question

[lewisfk]

Corbic, I literally got that information from the history channel, and the link provided. I find it funny how people pick and choose what parts of history to acknowledge when its covenant.

[S14rebuild]

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/10/03...of-ar-15s-grow


So let me guess..its fake? Or lies? Made up facts maybe?

[K_never_broke_again]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

https://www.guns.com/news/2019/10/03...of-ar-15s-grow


So let me guess..its fake? Or lies? Made up facts maybe?

No, everything in the article that was presented as a fact was one. However anyone who's taken middle school math should be able to see that the number of violent crimes has nothing to do with the amount of MSRs to market.
Correlation≠Causation. On a side note, the reason so many people want guns like this banned or more strictly regulated isn't because of single deaths or homicides, it's because of mass shootings. banning this stuff isn't going to change those individual deaths, but its sure as hell going to make it harder for the trench coat kid to grab his dads gun and unload a 100 round mag into his high school class, you can't deny that.

[S14rebuild]

But more guns= more gun deaths right?

But "statistically" mass shootings arent even 1% of gun violents

Ban which gun?

https://imgur.com/jHUfAot

Or this one??

https://imgur.com/WDgcbSj

[S14rebuild]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ts%3f_amp=true


You seriously cant make this shit up. And these are the "elected" officals that im suppose to sign my rights over to?

This is just pathetic and embrassing.

[exitspeed]

This is great to see. To those in here (they know who they are) that think you can’t be friends people that don’t share your political ideology.

Best shit I’ve ever heard from Ellen.
https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/sta...499070976?s=20

[S14rebuild]

^My manhood wont let me click that link...

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

^My manhood wont let me click that link...

Try harder.

[S14rebuild]

I tried but my big balls and high testosterone levels just wont let me click it...

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

This is great to see. To those in here (they know who they are) that think you can’t be friends people that don’t share your political ideology.



Best shit I’ve ever heard from Ellen.

https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/sta...499070976?s=20

She looks like Odo from Deep Space Nine.

[RalliartRsX]

And just like how Corbic ignored me correcting him on rampant and grossly inaccurate Communist label to the DNC, he also ignores me correcting him on his grossly inaccurate statements about WWI, WW2 and the Civil war....with a derogatory meme in regards to someone's "looks"

Just another day in the office here @ Zilvia
I don't hate the game though. Consistency is key

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

And just like how Corbic ignored me correcting him on rampant and grossly inaccurate Communist label to the DNC, he also ignores me correcting him on his grossly inaccurate statements about WWI, WW2 and the Civil war....with a derogatory meme in regards to someone's "looks"

Just another day in the office here @ Zilvia
I don't hate the game though. Consistency is key

Bruhh.....this entire thread is just that......

Lmfao at @derogatory meme....... fukn snowflakes everywhere now a days

[RalliartRsX]

U mad bro? I ain't

[S14rebuild]

Not one bit...cant get mad over this thread..its ridiclous makes me laugh during my day

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Bruhh.....this entire thread is just that......



Lmfao at @derogatory meme....... fukn snowflakes everywhere now a days

Yup, best to just ignore them.

[lewisfk]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

And just like how Corbic ignored me correcting him on rampant and grossly inaccurate Communist label to the DNC, he also ignores me correcting him on his grossly inaccurate statements about WWI, WW2 and the Civil war....with a derogatory meme in regards to someone's "looks"

Just another day in the office here @ Zilvia
I don't hate the game though. Consistency is key

This is exactly how Dallas Fans act, we Dem Boys.

[Corbic]

https://youtu.be/9-SLqdhkvJo

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

But more guns= more gun deaths right?

But "statistically" mass shootings arent even 1% of gun violents

Ban which gun?

https://imgur.com/jHUfAot

Or this one??

https://imgur.com/WDgcbSj

Anyone?........ignore this too?