Mosque being built near Ground Zero

[rc1honda]

N.Y.C. Mayor Michael Bloomberg praises commission's approval of mosque near ground zero | NJ.com

Well it seems that the city of New York had given a green light for a mosque to be built near grond zero.

I for one think it's a disgrace. Not because it is Muslim in nature. Because it was the rifts that exist between major religions that fueled this catastrophe to happen in the first place.

Religious wars should never be condoned. Much less accepted.

Discuss

[PinkPanther]

"Bloomberg said the firefighters and other first responders who died in the attacks had done so to protect religious freedom." Que?
" He acknowledged the emotional debate around the matter but said it would settle once the mosque is built." Come again?
IS THIS GUY FUCKING RETARDED?

[ronmcdon]

article states, built NEAR 'ground zero'.
Not built ON 'ground zero' (as OP's title currently states)

still, it's going to fuel a lot of unnecessary hostility.
it's also presumptuous to say the fire-fighters died for 'religious freedom'.
is that the official policy of NYC fire dept?

not the best PR decision, but then again iirc Bloomberg isn't running for another term of NYC mayor.
I don't dislike Bloomberg for the most part, but I think it's poor judgment here.
If the mosque was built ON ground zero, ppl would be rioting.

[S14DB]

Changed the title. Seeing how this goes it may be moved to Loud Noises.

It's a Mosque not the headquarters for the Taliban.

[sideways7]

The one thing that rubs me the wrong way, is that no one is really sure where exactly the $100 million dollars to build this thirteen story center is coming from. Lots of people are speculating that the money is coming from radical muslim organizations and that some of the money is even, possibly, coming from the same groups that funded the 9/11 attacks. Google Faisal Abdul Raif, he's the developer of the mosque, and you'll find some interesting stuff in this guys history.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by S14DB

Changed the title. Seeing how this goes it may be moved to Loud Noises.

It's a Mosque not the headquarters for the Taliban.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The two are not automatically mutually inclusive of eachother.

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by sideways7

The one thing that rubs me the wrong way, is that no one is really sure where exactly the $100 million dollars to build this thirteen story center is coming from. Lots of people are speculating that the money is coming from radical muslim organizations and that some of the money is even, possibly, coming from the same groups that funded the 9/11 attacks. Google Faisal Abdul Raif, he's the developer of the mosque, and you'll find some interesting stuff in this guys history.

By the misspelling of his name I can see where you got your data from.
Feisal Abdul Rauf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Cordoba House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[turboboost12004]

I say tear it down......or blow it up...

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by turboboost12004

I say tear it down......or blow it up...

So much for keeping this discussion intelligent.

[Matej]

Money talks.

Originally Posted by S14DB

It's a Mosque not the headquarters for the Taliban.

Unfortunately, the rise of mosques is directly proportional to subway bombings and cartoonists getting stabbed.
Wish I was joking.

[aa87]

And the rise of churches probably have similar effects on abortion clinic bombings and alternative teaching of alternative creation science (non-science), both terroristic acts.

This will definitely go to loud noises

[S14DB]

Originally Posted by Matej

Money talks.



Unfortunately, the rise of mosques is directly proportional to subway bombings and cartoonists getting stabbed.
Wish I was joking.

I wish you had proof to back this claim up...

Originally Posted by aa87

And the rise of churches probably have similar effects on abortion clinic bombings and alternative teaching of alternative creation science (non-science), both terroristic acts.

And the Westboro Baptist Church is indicative of all christian beliefs

Originally Posted by aa87

This will definitely go to loud noises

Yeah, definitely jumped the shark to loud noises.

[racepar1]

Personally I see it as a good thing. Just because someone is muslim doesn't mean they are a terrorost. Approving that mosque only re-enforces the US government's belief in the above statement. IMO that could do nothing but relax muslim-US tensions a little. I see no way that it could be a disgrace at all.

[ronmcdon]

Originally Posted by racepar1

Personally I see it as a good thing. Just because someone is muslim doesn't mean they are a terrorost. Approving that mosque only re-enforces the US government's belief in the above statement. IMO that could do nothing but relax muslim-US tensions a little. I see no way that it could be a disgrace at all.

Agreed with that logic.
Of course being Muslim doesn't equate to terrorism, but I'd wager that realistically that many (if not most) Americans don't see it that way.
There isn't any wrong or right in this, but it is a risky move.
There are less risky ways to reduce tension.
Taking that 100 mil, & donating it to the victim's families would be one such way.

[ineedone]

First of all, legally/constitutionally there is nothing anyone can say. Freedom of/from Religion is a biggie in this country.

I am no big fan of any "Religion" however, I think it will be a great healing tool within the community. Park 151 or whatever it will be called is more than just a mosque, it is a community center. Hopefully, the people who have the biggest rift will go there to speak with the religious leaders there. My guess is they will be met with rather caring individuals who have been hurt by 9/11 just as much as them. As much as I would love to say all religion is bad, that just is not the case. For as much hate that can be attributed to religion, you can find as much love if not more. Either way, I blame Glenn Beck and his Beck-tards for making this an issue. Would any of you be up-in-arms if it was a church being built there? No one would blink.

This country is not a "Christian Nation" as some would like to believe, but a nation with no religion. One that allows the full spectrum from Full on Atheist, to Full on White Power... and every extreme and in between.

Next time I am in the city, I really want to visit the place and see how they are helping the community. I am sure it will be an emotional and eye opening experience.

[bb4_96]

I foresee a rash of anti-muslim hate crimes in the relative vicinity on the mosque followed by a lull as everyone forgets and moves on. Greater issues are at hand in this country.

[5pecialist]

We all know why they are really wanting a mosque in this location - LOL at the people trying to pretend it is for love and peace.

[zeitgeist]

Im okay with a mosque being built there, but a better alternative would be to build a center where multiple faiths can do their own services and praying but at the same time can host events where all the faiths come together and communicate with one another showing some kind of unification.
Makes sense to me

[5pecialist]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

im okay with a mosque being built there, but a better alternative would be to build a center where multiple faiths can do their own services and praying but at the same time can host events where all the faiths come together and communicate with one another showing some kind of unification.
Makes sense to me

-----> win

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by 5pecialist

We all know why they are really wanting a mosque in this location - LOL at the people trying to pretend it is for love and peace.

Really... why would that be? the mosque is one section of a 15 story community center. So why would they want it?

I swear the stupidity of this country sometimes is frustrating, here you go guys.... be scared of the fitness center!!!!! and the culinary school!!!! ahhhhhhhhhh PARK51

Why is no one upset that the towers have not been rebuilt yet? The most ridiculous and disgusting thing about all this is that there has been no attempt to rebuild anything at the site of ground zero, mainly because of the greed of all the parties involved in it (insurance on all those dead people sure adds up!). The legal suits that have kept ground zero a hole are, well, I just feel embarrassed as an American because of it.

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Im okay with a mosque being built there, but a better alternative would be to build a center where multiple faiths can do their own services and praying but at the same time can host events where all the faiths come together and communicate with one another showing some kind of unification.
Makes sense to me

That is exactly what it is. It is no different then a Jewish Community Center, or any community center which allows churches to hold services within them. The only reason this made any news is because "brown" people with money are scary

"According to an outside consultant working directly with Park 51, who agreed to speak about the project on the condition of anonymity, if built, Park 51 (a non-profit facility) would cover 150,000 square feet and stand approximately 13 to 15 stories high. The space would be divided into a prayer space for Muslims and include meeting spaces, meditation rooms, a memorial dedicated to 9/11, a spa, basketball court, swimming pool, auditorium, and classrooms offering everything from digital photography to language classes, all open to the public. The entire facility would also be green and include a garden.

“This project is being planned very professionally and seriously,” the source said. “Everything is legit and transparent. We've sought senior staff at the 92nd St. Y and the JCC to get advice on how to delegate various tasks.”

According to the source, discussion groups were held with New Yorkers of different backgrounds, faiths, cultures and races. They were asked what they wanted and what the city needed, and the answer was the same –- a community center that could service Lower Manhattan.

“This space is going to be available to the public for lease,” the source said. “If a Jewish group wants to have an event, they can come in and borrow the space. We're looking to fill the needs of the community."

[mr_eh]

haters gonna hate

[5pecialist]

Originally Posted by ineedone

I swear the stupidity of this country sometimes is frustrating

Your posts in the Noah's Ark thread seem to indicate that you hate religion - then in this thread, you defend a radical religion's incendiary choice of location of this mosque. I guess religion is okay as long as it's not Christianity?

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by 5pecialist

Your posts in the Noah's Ark thread seem to indicate that you hate religion - then in this thread, you defend a radical religion's incendiary choice of location of this mosque. I guess religion is okay as long as it's not Christianity?

My personal opinion about religion (any religion, is the same, its a hoax, a joke). I never said I hate it either. What I absolutely do believe in is the constitution. 2 completely different things. I admitted in the other thread that as a whole, religious people generally are loving caring people. Does not mean I am buying there snake oil and bowing down to it. The gym I lift at is a JCC (yay for free gym through school!), and I am in no way Jewish. All the people there are really good people, who I disagree with on a lot of issues with, but for the most part (mainly because they are buffet style believers) we get along great.

Radical religion? Incendiary? hmm... maybe your just a racist? Not very Christian is it... well... the KKK are christian soldiers... so wait... what? See what I did there? did you see it? because that just happened.

[aa87]

Originally Posted by 5pecialist

Your posts in the Noah's Ark thread seem to indicate that you hate religion - then in this thread, you defend a radical religion's incendiary choice of location of this mosque. I guess religion is okay as long as it's not Christianity?

There's radicals in every religion. You can't claim one religion radical, you use the same principle in opposite, that Christianity is ok, most other religions are not.

Theres a difference between hating religion, but being tolerant of religion. When religion oversteps boundaries -> attempting to disprove science as it was meant and force its ways into our schools (separation of church and state), then there needs to be a tolerance for not simply Christianity, but others as a whole

[singlecamslam]

Muslim is the most widespread religion, its only a few retards that think "you believe in out god or die" Quit trippin.

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by singlecamslam

Muslim is the most widespread religion, its only a few retards that think "you believe in out god or die" Quit trippin.

Not quite... I think these figures are from a couple years ago, but yeah, Christianity is the largest by far (and we are afraid of the Muslims "world domination")

1) Christians - 2,116,909,552 (which includes 1,117,759,185 Roman Catholics, 372,586,395 Protestants, 221,746,920 Orthodox, and 81,865,869 Anglicans)
2) Muslims - 1,282,780,149
3) Hindus - 856,690,863
4) Buddhists - 381,610,979

[ronmcdon]

I really doubt this has anything to do with Christianity, and nor does it have anything to do with laws b/c none are really broken.
All you can really debate is the ethics of the matter & whether or not it's going to be an effective move to reduce tensions between Muslims & those who don't trust Muslims to begin with.

It seems to me that the general American public just doesn't see Islam in a favorable light.
It's convenient to blame the religion as a whole for 9-11.
Not saying I agree with that, but I get the impression that's the prevalent attitude.
Just b/c you can see that it's wrong to think that way, doesn't mean others will feel the same.

Being Christian is irrelevant imo, and I think it's naive for those of you making this into a Christian vs. Islam thing.
You can be non-religious and be distrustful all the same of Islam.

Like the religion or not, it has been associated with a lot of bad rep in the past decades.
Ppl love to judge when guilty by association.
Not saying it's right or wrong, it just happens.

[Walperstyle]

yet another thread turned into a Christian vs Musulm debate.



I'll say it like I've said it everywhere else. If you were to build a mosque right next door to a prime target for terrorists, don't you think the terrorists would think twice to bomb it and risk hurting the mosque.


...unless they are irish terrorists

[ineedone]

Originally Posted by Walperstyle

yet another thread turned into a Christian vs Musulm debate.



I'll say it like I've said it everywhere else. If you were to build a mosque right next door to a prime target for terrorists, don't you think the terrorists would think twice to bomb it and risk hurting the mosque.


...unless they are irish terrorists

Wait... Terrorist are Muslims? Funny, never thought of it like that.... I need to watch more Fox News.