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BoostSlideWayz · 01-01-2009, 11:01 PM

Hey guys, Im currently working on a car that i plan on making my strict track car only. I Booted my KA24E a little while ago and had some fun with it pushing it pretty hard even tho it never really ran that great. So I decided to tear the motor down and see what it looks like inside. So im thinking about building the motor with all forged internals but i need advice if this is worth it. Some ppl have told me built KA SOHC are strong motors and hard to blow. Since this is gonna be a track car It would really make things easier if i had alittle bit of reliability and performance while im runing the engine so hard.

[img=http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8633/dscn3215pi8.jpg]

the piston walls were actually glass smooth!

So does it look worth it?? everything seemed to be in pretty good condition. It just didnt look the cleanest ever..

Some one on 240sx forums said some one put a KA24ET in there S14 running about 330 + hp and still having fun with it??

i think that would be really cool to build this motor.

Let me know what you all think of this idea.

Thanks for the time

Kody

mobilesuit818 · 01-02-2009, 12:28 AM

Have faith in the SOHC.

I have a KA24E, with a head prepped by Javier at JG Engine Dynamics (Full Port polish, OS Valves, Springs, retainers), I also have JE Pistons and a Jim Wolf ECU.

I though I was one of the only guys out there with a SOHC.

Just to give you a comparision, I easily spin and smoke 235/16 tires with my SOHC.

PM me if you need any insight.

s13 @ fullboost · 01-02-2009, 12:37 AM

DO IT I would love to see something different I am so sick of seeing bad ass s chassis cars and everytime they pop the hood its a SR way more respect if you pop the hood and its a built ass SOHC for sure man do it I would really really like to see this happen +1 SOHC FTW!!!!

lflkajfj12123 · 01-02-2009, 12:44 AM

or don't waste your money

s13 @ fullboost · 01-02-2009, 12:46 AM

NO NO its okay waste Your MONEY!!!!!!!

In the end it will all be worth it

ESmorz · 01-02-2009, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

or don't waste your money

To some people respect is more important.

mobilesuit818 · 01-02-2009, 12:52 AM

Quality is not expensive. Its priceless.

I planned to drive in the local events with my SOHC.

drifterdave · 01-02-2009, 12:55 AM

do it! i jsut b0ught another sohc ka off my friend for 60.00 for the whole motor and im gonna tear that down and rebuild it to stock, then take the sohc in my car and fully build it, and turbo it. if u find any good sites for parts please lmk.

lflkajfj12123 · 01-02-2009, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESmorz

To some people respect is more important.

this one time this guy rolled up to my house to buy parts

his shit was overheating since he just went turbo

i was like oh cool

then he popped the hood and i see an sohc

i died a little on the inside at that very moment

ESmorz · 01-02-2009, 12:58 AM

Man, I just want some fucking KFC.

But, they are closed =(

s13 @ fullboost · 01-02-2009, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

this one time this guy rolled up to my house to buy parts

his shit was overheating since he just went turbo

i was like oh cool

then he popped the hood and i see an sohc

i died a little on the inside at that very moment

Well sorry to hear that dude? But I think its cool and different and more power to you and I know a great hook up for internals for the SOHC PM me and I can get you great prices

DataXUnknown · 01-02-2009, 01:01 AM

My SOHC blew a month after I drove it, only tracked it once. Of course it looked horribly taken care of by the previous owner. But it gave me a reason to do an SR swap. I'm not a fan of SOHC as much anymore because things are a little harder to get to. Took me and my buddy about 3 hours trying to replace a little hose in the shape of a U that was leaking coolant right near the underside of the throttle body and intake manifold.

I'm all for it though. I wouldn't do it myself, but it would be cool to see. I know a couple guys have some pretty nice SOHC's.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-02-2009, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

this one time this guy rolled up to my house to buy parts

his shit was overheating since he just went turbo

i was like oh cool

then he popped the hood and i see an sohc

i died a little on the inside at that very moment

Lol i can tell you hate me for some reason. i dont wanna make enemies on here so i hope theres no conflict.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-02-2009, 01:45 AM

Sooo, the only place i can seem to find is a site called.

O & J Performance Home Page

They seem to have everything i need to do this build.

I deffinatly want to cancel the MAF and go maybe... greddy emanage ??

im probly gonna need a new wirring harness because the one that i have now is given up since the weather is so cold everything is cracked and just not in good condition at all..

BoostSlideWayz · 01-02-2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s13 @ fullboost

DO IT I would love to see something different I am so sick of seeing bad ass s chassis cars and everytime they pop the hood its a SR way more respect if you pop the hood and its a built ass SOHC for sure man do it I would really really like to see this happen +1 SOHC FTW!!!!

Yeah i think SOHC boosted looks sick. heres what mine looked like before i took it out..

**mrmephistopheles** · 01-02-2009, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

this one time this guy rolled up to my house to buy parts

his shit was overheating since he just went turbo

i was like oh cool

then he popped the hood and i see an sohc

i died a little on the inside at that very moment

Congrats, you don't like KA24Es. Unless you're going to add something useful to the thread, don't post. If you want to talk about how much you hate a particular engine, start your own thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESmorz

Man, I just want some fucking KFC.

But, they are closed =(

I see another post like this from you and it'll be a 2 month vacation from Zilvia.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Yeah i think SOHC boosted looks sick. heres what mine looked like before i took it out..

That looks pretty nice.

To the OP, any engine can be made to perform. KA24Es used to be used in GT3 racing here in the US (albeit in a high-comp carbureted form which saw rebuilds very frequently) to the tune of ~300hp.

drifterdave · 01-02-2009, 02:29 AM

hey check out import performance parts.com they have a "performance" rebuld kit for the ka24e. im not sure on quailty though.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-02-2009, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

Congrats, you don't like KA24Es. Unless you're going to add something useful to the thread, don't post. If you want to talk about how much you hate a particular engine, start your own thread.

I see another post like this from you and it'll be a 2 month vacation from Zilvia.

That looks pretty nice.

To the OP, any engine can be made to perform. KA24Es used to be used in GT3 racing here in the US (albeit in a high-comp carbureted form which saw rebuilds very frequently) to the tune of ~300hp.

Hey, thank you for the back up i really appriciate it!! yeah ive put alotta hard work into this car because drifting is my passion even tho i havent participated in the sport long i admire it greatly. Im hoping i can start saving up again to start ordering parts. What do you suggest i order first ?? I cant afford everything at once so i plan on just getting things one by one and slowly peice the motor back together.

Thanks again

kody

GSXRJJordan · 01-02-2009, 04:53 AM

Keep track of dollar amount you're going to spend before buying anything - SRs are cheap, and much better for boosting and beating up at the track than single cam KAs.

My stock SR also spins 235's easily. And revs out decently well. And it's cheap to maintain/replace. And I can re-sell it if I have to. Those are all maybes with your rebuilt SOHC idea.

DO NOT just start buying parts with no total budget - you will regret it in 6 months, when you try to put it back together, and find you're still hundreds of $$$ short, and can't sell any of it because everyone who's graduated from SOHC knows that they're AIDS.

fromxtor · 01-02-2009, 10:13 AM

I had a built SOHC, nothing wrong with building them/turboing them. You just want to make sure you do it right the first time.

SleepyS-14 · 01-02-2009, 10:16 AM

GSXR ^ That was terrible ^

I am not saying either way but you have a terrible argument.

1. Sr's are cheap... ha. SOHC are free

2. Sr's are cheap to maintain... ha. SOHC, you can get everything at autozone

murda-c · 01-02-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepyS-14

GSXR ^ That was terrible ^

I am not saying either way but you have a terrible argument.

1. Sr's are cheap... ha. SOHC are free

2. Sr's are cheap to maintain... ha. SOHC, you can get everything at autozone

You'd build a motor for boost with autozone parts?

SleepyS-14 · 01-02-2009, 10:29 AM

For water pumps, starters,gaskets and all kinds of good shit. Not timing parts though. Hell yeah.

jrbump · 01-02-2009, 10:56 AM

My good friend who I share a garage with had a very nicely built KA24E-T with everything done right and solid rom tuning, we used to work on it every weekend. I used to joke that we better start buying head gaskets at costco, like a 12 pack or something.

Now he has an SR and we beat on it every weekend.

I like the weekends so much better now.

I'll link him to this thread, he can give better insight beyond my "quality of life" comments.

e1_griego · 01-02-2009, 11:10 AM

Ha, true story. So much money dumped into it, and in the end, it just wasn't what I wanted. NA+T in my experience (beyond my own motor) is a finnicky beast, with lots of little shit that needs attention.

My build was very similar to fromxtor's -- built single cam, jgs manifold and whatnot. It was definitely a torquey sunnuvabitch, but power fell off up top. Obviously there's a lot of material that you can take out of the head, but headwork and a cam is even more money. I could have easily bought an SR instead of building a sohc, but I didn't. Live and learn. Do I regret it? Not at all. I learned a ton from doing it.

In the end I'm much happier with my bolt-on redtop, though. It makes less power and less torque, but it actually revs, has proven more reliable, and gets better gas mileage to boot (not that that really matters). It's also nice to be able to buy downpipes, fmic kits, etc. off the shelf without having to fabricate (I didn't buy the jgs dp stuff, just had a friend help me build my own).

txrxs · 01-02-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

this one time this guy rolled up to my house to buy parts

his shit was overheating since he just went turbo

i was like oh cool

then he popped the hood and i see an sohc

i died a little on the inside at that very moment

Cool, that was me.

I was running no fan shroud on a stock radiator. Like I said when I popped the hood it's not surprising the car was overheating as I was in stop and go traffic for about 30 minutes prior to getting to your parents house. I suppose I wouldn't have driven the car 3 hours if I was worried about it breaking down.

Like most of zilvia, it's very easy to judge people based on what you've read or what will make you a cool guy on here. You have a stock car yet you can judge other people? You and 90% of the forum with stock/non-running cars that always comment on weak fitment or other "cool guy zilvia" topics, yet don't walk the walk themselves.

Anyways, to the OP. If your motor is in good shape then you will be fine. It really boils down to budget. Don't cheap out on important stuff and the motor will last the same as any other motor.

ILoveMyRHS13 · 01-02-2009, 11:49 AM

Thank you, OP. I've also thought about doing a KA24ET. Granted, I have an advantage, my current SOHC has about 71k miles on it. It all depends on how you build it; if you're like a lot of KA-T'ers, you'll just throw a bunch of ghetto ass parts together, but if you take your time and get the right parts, it'll be a great little motor.

Edgar · 01-02-2009, 12:12 PM

Where is rep when you need it.

GSXRJJordan · 01-02-2009, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleepyS-14

GSXR ^ That was terrible ^

I am not saying either way but you have a terrible argument.

1. Sr's are cheap... ha. SOHC are free

2. Sr's are cheap to maintain... ha. SOHC, you can get everything at autozone

Rebuilt SOHC's are not cheap. My argument is that SR's are cheaper.

Quote:

Originally Posted by murda-c

You'd build a motor for boost with autozone parts?

Exactly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e1_griego

Ha, true story. So much money dumped into it, and in the end, it just wasn't what I wanted. ...
In the end I'm much happier with my bolt-on redtop, though....

Goddamn, I guess I knew what I was talking about. Did he mention all of the things I originally did, with the addition of gas mileage? I believe he did.

Quote:

Originally Posted by txrxs

Cool, that was me.

*crappy pic removed*

I was running no fan shroud on a stock radiator. Like I said when I popped the hood it's not surprising the car was overheating as I was in stop and go traffic for about 30 minutes prior to getting to your house. I suppose I wouldn't have driven the car 3 hours if I was worried about it breaking down.

Like most of zilvia, it's very easy to judge people based on what you've read or what will make you a cool guy on here. You have a stock car yet you can judge other people? You and 90% of the forum with stock/non-running cars that always comment on weak fitment or other "cool guy zilvia" topics, yet don't walk the walk themselves.

Anyways, to the OP. If your motor is in good shape then you will be fine. It really boils down to budget. Don't cheap out on important stuff and the motor will last the same as any other motor.

I guess I'm the other 10% that can safely tell you you're living on borrowed time with an old NA motor and a GT28RS? slapped on there. Oh, and taking your fan shroud out? Great idea - that's why you overheated, not because you're turbo'd.

Originality be damned, show me one person who's owned an SR and decided to SOHC-T their next car. It's just a bad plan, on any budget.

ixfxi · 01-02-2009, 12:19 PM

i had an sohc for years... its probably one of the least efficient motors out there, a complete dog with torque, thats it. not worth building.

the SR has so many improvements that the KA-E is not worth wasting a dime on. talk to a reputable motor shop about how much it costs to properly "build" a motor, you're looking a shitload of money. you're better off picking up a used SR and calling it a day. spend your extra time and money in better ways...

as far as motors go, i could care less what motor is in a car as long as it enables the car to drive the way a sportscar is supposed to drive.

01-01-2009, 11:01 PM	#1
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 35 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	KA24E Performance Build For Drift??*pic* Hey guys, Im currently working on a car that i plan on making my strict track car only. I Booted my KA24E a little while ago and had some fun with it pushing it pretty hard even tho it never really ran that great. So I decided to tear the motor down and see what it looks like inside. So im thinking about building the motor with all forged internals but i need advice if this is worth it. Some ppl have told me built KA SOHC are strong motors and hard to blow. Since this is gonna be a track car It would really make things easier if i had alittle bit of reliability and performance while im runing the engine so hard. [img=http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/8633/dscn3215pi8.jpg] the piston walls were actually glass smooth! So does it look worth it?? everything seemed to be in pretty good condition. It just didnt look the cleanest ever.. Some one on 240sx forums said some one put a KA24ET in there S14 running about 330 + hp and still having fun with it?? i think that would be really cool to build this motor. Let me know what you all think of this idea. Thanks for the time Kody __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-02-2009, 12:28 AM	#2
mobilesuit818 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 269 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Have faith in the SOHC. I have a KA24E, with a head prepped by Javier at JG Engine Dynamics (Full Port polish, OS Valves, Springs, retainers), I also have JE Pistons and a Jim Wolf ECU. I though I was one of the only guys out there with a SOHC. Just to give you a comparision, I easily spin and smoke 235/16 tires with my SOHC. PM me if you need any insight. __________________ Quality is not expensive, its priceless.

01-02-2009, 12:37 AM	#3
s13 @ fullboost Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St.Petersburg,FL Posts: 2,549 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	DO IT I would love to see something different I am so sick of seeing bad ass s chassis cars and everytime they pop the hood its a SR way more respect if you pop the hood and its a built ass SOHC for sure man do it I would really really like to see this happen +1 SOHC FTW!!!! __________________

01-02-2009, 12:46 AM	#5
s13 @ fullboost Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: St.Petersburg,FL Posts: 2,549 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	NO NO its okay waste Your MONEY!!!!!!! In the end it will all be worth it __________________

01-02-2009, 12:52 AM	#7
mobilesuit818 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 269 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Quality is not expensive. Its priceless. I planned to drive in the local events with my SOHC. __________________ Quality is not expensive, its priceless.

01-02-2009, 12:44 AM	#4
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,483 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	or don't waste your money

01-02-2009, 12:55 AM	#8
drifterdave Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: santa maria Age: 35 Posts: 138 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	do it! i jsut b0ught another sohc ka off my friend for 60.00 for the whole motor and im gonna tear that down and rebuild it to stock, then take the sohc in my car and fully build it, and turbo it. if u find any good sites for parts please lmk. __________________ keeping it gangster

01-02-2009, 12:58 AM	#10
ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Man, I just want some fucking KFC. But, they are closed =( __________________

01-02-2009, 01:01 AM	#12
DataXUnknown Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Mission Viejo, CA Age: 34 Posts: 2,934 Trader Rating: (30) Rides Gallery: DataXUnknown Feedback Score: 30 reviews	My SOHC blew a month after I drove it, only tracked it once. Of course it looked horribly taken care of by the previous owner. But it gave me a reason to do an SR swap. I'm not a fan of SOHC as much anymore because things are a little harder to get to. Took me and my buddy about 3 hours trying to replace a little hose in the shape of a U that was leaking coolant right near the underside of the throttle body and intake manifold. I'm all for it though. I wouldn't do it myself, but it would be cool to see. I know a couple guys have some pretty nice SOHC's.

01-02-2009, 01:45 AM	#14
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 35 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Sooo, the only place i can seem to find is a site called. O & J Performance Home Page They seem to have everything i need to do this build. I deffinatly want to cancel the MAF and go maybe... greddy emanage ?? im probly gonna need a new wirring harness because the one that i have now is given up since the weather is so cold everything is cracked and just not in good condition at all.. __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-02-2009, 02:29 AM	#17
drifterdave Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: santa maria Age: 35 Posts: 138 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	hey check out import performance parts.com they have a "performance" rebuld kit for the ka24e. im not sure on quailty though. __________________ keeping it gangster

01-02-2009, 04:53 AM	#19
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Keep track of dollar amount you're going to spend before buying anything - SRs are cheap, and much better for boosting and beating up at the track than single cam KAs. My stock SR also spins 235's easily. And revs out decently well. And it's cheap to maintain/replace. And I can re-sell it if I have to. Those are all maybes with your rebuilt SOHC idea. DO NOT just start buying parts with no total budget - you will regret it in 6 months, when you try to put it back together, and find you're still hundreds of $$$ short, and can't sell any of it because everyone who's graduated from SOHC knows that they're AIDS. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-02-2009, 10:13 AM	#20
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 43 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	I had a built SOHC, nothing wrong with building them/turboing them. You just want to make sure you do it right the first time. __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

01-02-2009, 10:16 AM	#21
SleepyS-14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: your moms butt Age: 38 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	GSXR ^ That was terrible ^ I am not saying either way but you have a terrible argument. 1. Sr's are cheap... ha. SOHC are free 2. Sr's are cheap to maintain... ha. SOHC, you can get everything at autozone

01-02-2009, 10:29 AM	#23
SleepyS-14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: your moms butt Age: 38 Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	For water pumps, starters,gaskets and all kinds of good shit. Not timing parts though. Hell yeah.

01-02-2009, 10:56 AM	#24
jrbump Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 663 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My good friend who I share a garage with had a very nicely built KA24E-T with everything done right and solid rom tuning, we used to work on it every weekend. I used to joke that we better start buying head gaskets at costco, like a 12 pack or something. Now he has an SR and we beat on it every weekend. I like the weekends so much better now. I'll link him to this thread, he can give better insight beyond my "quality of life" comments. __________________ http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0Wheel%20Drive

01-02-2009, 11:10 AM	#25
e1_griego Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Independence, Ore. Age: 39 Posts: 2,715 Trader Rating: (24) Feedback Score: 24 reviews	Ha, true story. So much money dumped into it, and in the end, it just wasn't what I wanted. NA+T in my experience (beyond my own motor) is a finnicky beast, with lots of little shit that needs attention. My build was very similar to fromxtor's -- built single cam, jgs manifold and whatnot. It was definitely a torquey sunnuvabitch, but power fell off up top. Obviously there's a lot of material that you can take out of the head, but headwork and a cam is even more money. I could have easily bought an SR instead of building a sohc, but I didn't. Live and learn. Do I regret it? Not at all. I learned a ton from doing it. In the end I'm much happier with my bolt-on redtop, though. It makes less power and less torque, but it actually revs, has proven more reliable, and gets better gas mileage to boot (not that that really matters). It's also nice to be able to buy downpipes, fmic kits, etc. off the shelf without having to fabricate (I didn't buy the jgs dp stuff, just had a friend help me build my own).

01-02-2009, 12:12 PM	#28
Edgar Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indianapolis,IN Posts: 4,980 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Where is rep when you need it. __________________ Drift Indy

01-02-2009, 12:19 PM	#30
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 82 Posts: 5,932 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i had an sohc for years... its probably one of the least efficient motors out there, a complete dog with torque, thats it. not worth building. the SR has so many improvements that the KA-E is not worth wasting a dime on. talk to a reputable motor shop about how much it costs to properly "build" a motor, you're looking a shitload of money. you're better off picking up a used SR and calling it a day. spend your extra time and money in better ways... as far as motors go, i could care less what motor is in a car as long as it enables the car to drive the way a sportscar is supposed to drive.