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RiversideS13 · 09-02-2006, 04:13 AM

it happened in june 06

http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...=m3flipmp4.flv

owned by a GTO

detail at here
http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=6724

SiI40sx · 09-02-2006, 04:48 AM

"I was conscious for the whole thing. I felt every one. I mean, I was sure I was going to be badly hurt. I was like, 'Oh, this is bad."

hahahahahhahahaah instead of

"OH FUCK OH SHIT FUCK AH CRAP SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!!"

HKsilvia · 09-02-2006, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SiI40sx

hahahahahhahahaah instead of

"OH FUCK OH SHIT FUCK AH CRAP SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!!"

Vatche · 09-02-2006, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HKsilvia

hes not that funny.

LA_phantom_240 · 09-02-2006, 06:25 AM

damn... i would have had sex with that bmw... now its TOO fucked... lol

wootwoot · 09-02-2006, 10:59 AM

Old news kinda. That was not a m3 gtr though. Just a race prepped m3. Pretty sure atleast?

**ThatGuy** · 09-02-2006, 11:05 AM

^You are correct. I saw this on Speed the day after it happened. They kept showing it over and over again beause Hands was at the race the very next day. Not driving, but still fairly amazing that he walked away from that rollover.

RiversideS13 · 09-02-2006, 12:16 PM

^^^ Thanks for clear it up, i saw the post at another forum and that is what the poster described

**ThatGuy** · 09-02-2006, 12:20 PM

No problem. Glad I could help.

SiI40sx · 09-02-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sr20detman

hes not that funny.

hey screw you! im gonna rep u for that!

RalliartRsX · 09-02-2006, 01:19 PM

By the way, the "Hands" who ThatGuy refers to is Joey Hand, the driver of that PTG prepped M3 (as mentioned, no GTR). Completely unavoidable in my book as the TRG GTO should have given him space. Also, there was a berm outside the track for whatever reason during contruction of the new surface sending the car flying.

**ThatGuy** · 09-02-2006, 01:26 PM

Yeah, sorry for the mis-spelling of Hand.

I know who he is, as should anyone who read the article posted in the first post. The GTO definitely should have given him room, the crossover road was just in the perfectly wrong place to send him flying. Amazing crash to watch, knowing that he walked away.

RalliartRsX · 09-02-2006, 02:15 PM

What was funny is that during the interveiw, he said while he was flipping, he was assessing the damage done on each role/hit !!!

Shoot, if that was me, Ill be praying

SimpleSexy180 · 09-02-2006, 02:20 PM

crazy crash. i like the MAD TyTe yellow headlight.

wootwoot · 09-02-2006, 02:45 PM

It definitely pissed me off, the GTO nudged him from the rear sending him oversteering off track. Some of the manuvers done in racing are so shit. Was the GTO driver penalised in anyway? I know Hand said he was not upset and that it was a strict racing incident in his eyes, but old buddy in the GTO should have been keeping his distance more then negative 6 inches

RalliartRsX · 09-02-2006, 03:32 PM

No, its a simple racing incident. In a case like that, its more discretion as Joey Hand could give him room as it seemed like he had a fender on him. But also, its very close and Joey was already committed to the corner so.............Also, no one suspected that a 12 inch high berm would be on the outskirts. Normally drivers can run offtrack for a little and get on a little later (which he was well on the way to doing).

Also, Joey was lucky the car rotated while in the air instead of rotating/hitting/rotating/hitting/etc. If that was the scenario, it would have been a different outcome.

Whichever way, Im glad Joey survived and walked away with minor bruises. Its also a given that that car will probably never see the track again.

Kaizen. · 09-05-2006, 03:40 AM

I was reading the article, whats the Hans Device that their talking about?

Kaizen. · 09-05-2006, 03:43 AM

http://www.champcarworldseries.com/Tech/HANS_Device.asp

Nevermind, found it.

wootwoot · 09-05-2006, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

No, its a simple racing incident. In a case like that, its more discretion as Joey Hand could give him room as it seemed like he had a fender on him. But also, its very close and Joey was already committed to the corner so.............Also, no one suspected that a 12 inch high berm would be on the outskirts. Normally drivers can run offtrack for a little and get on a little later (which he was well on the way to doing).

Also, Joey was lucky the car rotated while in the air instead of rotating/hitting/rotating/hitting/etc. If that was the scenario, it would have been a different outcome.

Whichever way, Im glad Joey survived and walked away with minor bruises. Its also a given that that car will probably never see the track again.

I know that the terrible wreck was a complete accident, but Hand getting set off track was avoidable. He would have never regained that position had he not wrecked because of the bump. I still think that whoever it was, was driving overly aggressivly

I just watched it again and the Hand outbraked the GTO going into the turn and had committed to it, but the GTO then scuffed against Hand pushing him off. I stand by my over aggressive comment by the GTO. I tried to edit but Zilvia wouldnt let me for whatever. Sorry mods!

RalliartRsX · 09-05-2006, 08:34 PM

Me, I personally believe that the GTO driver (I just cant seem to remember his name for some reason) should have yielded the spot as he didnt have thatmuch of a fender on him. But, then again, when you mix big buck racers who all they want to do is DRIVE, its not exactly easy to say 'no, after you sir.'

Its thier job. They get paid to win or give 200 %. Not to yield to another driver (although sometimes, to avoid circumstances, its best to use discretion).

RiversideS13 · 09-05-2006, 11:03 PM

what will happen if this happen in a track day?

RalliartRsX · 09-06-2006, 04:40 AM

First, if you are driving like this during a track day, you dont even deserve to walk. As far as I am concerned, a trackday is where you learn the track and car and you are not able to pass (or even attempt to) unless you are given a pass wave or point by.

Now, with that said, you are going to have two scenarios:

1) The car is well prepped, the driver is wearing a Hans and he walks away. Then he sues the driver who did this
2) He is seriously injured (which, since most trackday cars dont even have a serious roll bar and no one (I know) atleast wears a Hans device), then he sues the driver who did this.

You also sign a waver for every trackday stating such incidents deamable unavoidable and mostly your fault. They will also have a big insurance issue on thier hands with the track.

There is no way in hell you would get away with this at a trackday. You have no place with such antics, period

sideview_180sx · 09-06-2006, 04:49 AM

after watching joey's crash, you know he was kissing his cage builder that monday morning.

wootwoot · 09-06-2006, 05:15 PM

in a un prepped car and without proper safety equipment that would be death. HANS as soon as I get out of karts.

sideview_180sx · 09-09-2006, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

in a un prepped car and without proper safety equipment that would be death. HANS as soon as I get out of karts.

Have you seen the hutchinson-style system that some karters have been using. I saw them using it at the TRI-C events, just a few drivers, apparently its also supposed to be compatible for motorcycle riders since both are situations involving helmets and no form of belt or restriction to hold down the HANS.

wootwoot · 09-10-2006, 01:09 AM

Thanks for a recommendation!

09-02-2006, 04:13 AM	#1
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 42 Posts: 1,545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	death of a BMW M3 GTR it happened in june 06 http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c7...=m3flipmp4.flv owned by a GTO detail at here http://www.grandamerican.com/News/Article.asp?ID=6724

09-02-2006, 10:59 AM	#6
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Old news kinda. That was not a m3 gtr though. Just a race prepped m3. Pretty sure atleast? __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

09-02-2006, 11:05 AM	#7
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^You are correct. I saw this on Speed the day after it happened. They kept showing it over and over again beause Hands was at the race the very next day. Not driving, but still fairly amazing that he walked away from that rollover. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

09-02-2006, 12:20 PM	#9
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No problem. Glad I could help. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

09-02-2006, 01:26 PM	#12
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 44 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, sorry for the mis-spelling of Hand. I know who he is, as should anyone who read the article posted in the first post. The GTO definitely should have given him room, the crossover road was just in the perfectly wrong place to send him flying. Amazing crash to watch, knowing that he walked away. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

09-02-2006, 04:48 AM	#2
SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 37 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"I was conscious for the whole thing. I felt every one. I mean, I was sure I was going to be badly hurt. I was like, 'Oh, this is bad." hahahahahhahahaah instead of "OH FUCK OH SHIT FUCK AH CRAP SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!!"

09-02-2006, 12:16 PM	#8
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 42 Posts: 1,545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ Thanks for clear it up, i saw the post at another forum and that is what the poster described

09-02-2006, 01:19 PM	#11
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	By the way, the "Hands" who ThatGuy refers to is Joey Hand, the driver of that PTG prepped M3 (as mentioned, no GTR). Completely unavoidable in my book as the TRG GTO should have given him space. Also, there was a berm outside the track for whatever reason during contruction of the new surface sending the car flying.

09-02-2006, 02:15 PM	#13
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	What was funny is that during the interveiw, he said while he was flipping, he was assessing the damage done on each role/hit !!! Shoot, if that was me, Ill be praying

09-02-2006, 02:20 PM	#14
SimpleSexy180 Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cal Posts: 4,750 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: SimpleSexy180 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	crazy crash. i like the MAD TyTe yellow headlight.

09-02-2006, 02:45 PM	#15
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It definitely pissed me off, the GTO nudged him from the rear sending him oversteering off track. Some of the manuvers done in racing are so shit. Was the GTO driver penalised in anyway? I know Hand said he was not upset and that it was a strict racing incident in his eyes, but old buddy in the GTO should have been keeping his distance more then negative 6 inches __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

09-02-2006, 03:32 PM	#16
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	No, its a simple racing incident. In a case like that, its more discretion as Joey Hand could give him room as it seemed like he had a fender on him. But also, its very close and Joey was already committed to the corner so.............Also, no one suspected that a 12 inch high berm would be on the outskirts. Normally drivers can run offtrack for a little and get on a little later (which he was well on the way to doing). Also, Joey was lucky the car rotated while in the air instead of rotating/hitting/rotating/hitting/etc. If that was the scenario, it would have been a different outcome. Whichever way, Im glad Joey survived and walked away with minor bruises. Its also a given that that car will probably never see the track again.

09-05-2006, 03:40 AM	#17
Kaizen. Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,278 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I was reading the article, whats the Hans Device that their talking about?

09-05-2006, 03:43 AM	#18
Kaizen. Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,278 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	http://www.champcarworldseries.com/Tech/HANS_Device.asp Nevermind, found it.

09-05-2006, 08:34 PM	#20
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	Me, I personally believe that the GTO driver (I just cant seem to remember his name for some reason) should have yielded the spot as he didnt have thatmuch of a fender on him. But, then again, when you mix big buck racers who all they want to do is DRIVE, its not exactly easy to say 'no, after you sir.' Its thier job. They get paid to win or give 200 %. Not to yield to another driver (although sometimes, to avoid circumstances, its best to use discretion).

09-05-2006, 11:03 PM	#21
RiversideS13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 42 Posts: 1,545 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what will happen if this happen in a track day?

09-06-2006, 04:40 AM	#22
RalliartRsX Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 4,791 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	First, if you are driving like this during a track day, you dont even deserve to walk. As far as I am concerned, a trackday is where you learn the track and car and you are not able to pass (or even attempt to) unless you are given a pass wave or point by. Now, with that said, you are going to have two scenarios: 1) The car is well prepped, the driver is wearing a Hans and he walks away. Then he sues the driver who did this 2) He is seriously injured (which, since most trackday cars dont even have a serious roll bar and no one (I know) atleast wears a Hans device), then he sues the driver who did this. You also sign a waver for every trackday stating such incidents deamable unavoidable and mostly your fault. They will also have a big insurance issue on thier hands with the track. There is no way in hell you would get away with this at a trackday. You have no place with such antics, period

09-06-2006, 04:49 AM	#23
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	after watching joey's crash, you know he was kissing his cage builder that monday morning. __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

09-06-2006, 05:15 PM	#24
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	in a un prepped car and without proper safety equipment that would be death. HANS as soon as I get out of karts. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

09-10-2006, 01:09 AM	#26
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 38 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks for a recommendation! __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you