Why did lsx swaps become so popular?

[turboshoebox]

For years there has been the whole import vs domestic battle which typicaly was japanese inline 4/6 vs american v8s.

While v8s for domestics are okay in their own right what happened to built sr20s or 2jzs etc? Why did mamy give up on the traditional route and take the easy and borring route of the lsx

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[deolio]

because this is 'MERICA!

[shawn1331]

It's a lot cheaper and easier to make power from a v8 downlow where an sr has no bussiness making power.

With that said, I'm still a fan of the underdog SR and RB. I love RB20's haha

[KAT-PWR]

There is no replacement for displacement.

Except boost, which likes to break things, and requires a lot of mods and has more associated maintenance.

[rawgarage]

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

[zwzweston]

Originally Posted by RAWGarage

Because if you break something you can going to any AutoZone or O'reillys and get the part more than likely that day

What he said. You might be able to find some 2J parts, but for SRs and RBs you're shit outta luck.

[TheRealSy90]

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by KAT-PWR

There is no replacement for displacement.

The replacement for displacement is less weight.

[zwzweston]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

I just don't see those easily sourced parts being things that would unexpectedly break on track. Maybe a head gasket.

I can't speak for street cars in this respect, but if for example you were trying to run a competitive drift car you'd want to avoid down time as much as possible. All kinds of fiddly little things can go wrong, and it just makes more sense to run out and pick up a spare rather than having to wait for parts.

[TheRealSy90]

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

[FaLKoN240]

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound

[Sleepy_Steve]

They have issues like any motor, but it's relatively cheap and easy power, at near stock reliability (which is huge btw) in pretty much any street or drift application.

And when they do break if you're near stock, there's always local parts availability to get you back up and running with the quickness.

[burnsauto]

They've been around for years, ever since I've been into the S-chassis. From what I've noticed over the years is the big push after the LS becoming commonplace in Formula D (love it or hate it, it's a driving force in this scene). From a race standpoint, it'd a great choice.

Availability of parts, reliability, and a larger and more linear powerband make it a very potent combination of chassis design, weight, and power.

At the end of the day, we (just being super broad here to make it easy) just follow suit. I doubt that many people would of bought and swapped SR, etc. without first seeing them in D1GP, FD, Option video, HyperRev, etc. I'm not saying this in a bad way, there's nothing wrong with being influenced by the things around you, it's life.

That being said, I'll keep my engine choice. LS engines and the like, in my opinion, lack personality. I'm the kind of girl who likes the smart nerdy guy with a great personality compared to the one who likes the big muscled guy with nothing interesting to say.

[Grocery Cart]

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

Yeah I get that, so I guess water pumps, gaskets, spark plugs. But vital engine components? A pro team is gonna most likely have a built engine, so autozone isn't going to have those parts in stock. And I can't see a privateer or amateur team tearing down and rebuilding a stock engine in the pits. Those easily gotten parts they would carry, are also easily ordered ahead of time for the "Japanese" engines so that you have spares on hand.

Oem part is better than no part.

[turboshoebox]

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

1 Torque.
2 Domestic american market- Parts are more readily available.
3 Dat v8 sound

Some feel the v8 sound is a detracment for jap cars

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[TheRealSy90]

So if you blew a built and tuned LS, and you could only get Oem parts that aren't as good as what broke, you'd fix it with those hoping that it would last. Ok.


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[ditchs14]

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.

[Malik]

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

[MADE]

Originally Posted by ditchs14

I dont care for them in drifting but im still a fan of the motor in general. go pull a truck 6.0 out from a junk yard. $700 for a motor. put a cam/heads/exhaust work. make almost 500hp. cant beat it really. they last forever. its just cheap and easy to get.

Was going to post same vids.

[s13driftnut]

There is no replacement for displacement, except for the turbo in my basement! Haha. All seriousness, I owned an SR 240, then built my LSx FD Rx7, now I'm back with an SR 240, I love the SR, but it is super easy to make power with the LS and super easy to get parts! Especially if you want that torque tho! Haha

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by Malik

im surprised the LS weighs less then an SR, thats kinda cool

Not to sound like a smartass, but thats not really close to true, just gm fanboy propoganda.

Look up the weights, sr is still lighter. For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Also just to give an example of why a lot of this is hype, if you look at the build log for a well sorted LS motor, just to get one running, is like $8000. Look at the build log for the motor trend 240ss and youll see what I mean as for cost.
There is a lot of things that need to be modified for a quality setup

Whereas an sr requires no real modifications to get running in our cars.
You could buy a s15 sr for $3000(includes 5 speed so nothing needs modification. Add cams injectors and a tune for like $1500 more dollars, and you have around the same horsepower as an LS1. Im pretty sure you could build an SR20vet for the same price as you can swap in an LS.
So again a lot of this is hype, not that I hate the motor or anything, I just hate the whole swap every brand into "every other brand" hype thats going around.
Brands exist for a reason, if you want american muscle, buy a muscle car

[silviaks2nr]

Torque is so overrated in a light car. Love it for towing though. How v8 sports cars should sound

[Matej]

Or you can get an old Mercedes M103 engine from any junkyard, put a giant turbo on it, and have 600hp for like 1000$.

[MADE]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Explain I'm curious.

[kashira kureijii]

Originally Posted by MADE

Explain I'm curious.

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

He palmed it like a basketball I saw it

[Rustys14]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

Not to sound like a smartass, but thats not really close to true, just gm fanboy propoganda.

Look up the weights, sr is still lighter. For instance, when I built my sr, I could pick up the entire engine myself, I don't think you can do that with an LS

Whereas an sr requires no real modifications to get running in our cars.
You could buy a s15 sr for $3000(includes 5 speed so nothing needs modification. Add cams injectors and a tune for like $1500 more dollars, and you have around the same horsepower as an LS1. Im pretty sure you could build an SR20vet for the same price as you can swap in an LS.
So again a lot of this is hype, not that I hate the motor or anything, I just hate the whole swap every brand into "every other brand" hype thats going around.
Brands exist for a reason, if you want american muscle, buy a muscle car

You forget that the intercooler and all the associated turbo bits add a fair bit of weight to a turbo car as well, so the base weight of the engine isn't really a good basis for comparison.

I used to be a purist like you when I first got into cars, but after working for a few shops and doing events for awhile I've come to realize how ignorant that way of thinking is. Sure you can tune an SR to make the same amount of power as an LS for around the same price as the initial swap or cheaper but it will still be less reliable and has more parts to fail. The LS also responds very well to basic upgrades so while the initial cost may be high (7-8k really isn't all that much in the automotive wold) future upgrades will be cheaper.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate either engine (I actually just dropped another SR into my car last week) but for the grassroots guy who wants a mildly competitive car that is cheap to run, the LS makes the most financial sense. That's why the swap has become so popular in recent years.

The flip side of this is there are now a bunch of hoonbro fanboi kids who don't even track their car that think you need an LS and a billion hp before you can even go out to an event because "bro, that's the motor that everyone in FD runs" which isn't the case at all...

[dub40sx]

because

[MADE]

Originally Posted by kashira kureijii

using my arm muscles, cuz i am a fukin hoss.

Without the aid of a lever/left or any other assistance beside dem arm muscles, I wanna see it. I'll paypal you 1 dollar and 5 Drift Tengoku mags. (JDM Tight)

[feito]

why did starting useless threads become so popular?