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*ManoNegra* · 01-04-2010, 04:38 PM

So, we're getting ready to make more of these guys since I get asked for them regularly.

one of the things we were asked on more than a few occasions last time we made them
was why we put 8AN size fittings on the blocks as opposed to the more popular 10AN?

the reason was twofold:
- first, there really isn't a need to, everybody we talked to didn't see a need for a larger size and increased flow.

- the second has to do with design restrictions; the proximity of the the oil inlet and outlet holes makes it impossible to put 10AN fittings
next to each other and still have the required clearance to be able to thread them in and out.

Well, we think we have a solution.
We can do away with the fittings and mill the 10AN fitting heads directly to the top of the oil block thereby getting around the design restriction.

Would you guys prefer that over the current version?
The drawback: it's a more intricate design that will make the oil blocks more expensive to make. We figure we would ask $160 for them paypaled and shipped.

Here's your opportunity to provide us with feedback and get the parts you want made the way you want them.

Okinawandrifter87 · 01-04-2010, 05:26 PM

I know Im just one fish out of the big sea, however I personally would still like the old setup. Here's an idea just to throw your way. Just continue to make the old ones like you were doing previously. But do like a group buy for the 10AN fittings. Like once you have 10 deposits or an amount that will make it worth while for you then make it in sets or groups only so you dont lose out but can still supply for the peeps out there that are asking of the new product. So that way its a win win for both parties? No? Idk. Just trying to give some useful help.

*ManoNegra* · 01-04-2010, 05:34 PM

That's actually not a bad idea.
From our point of view, we would prefer to just make one design
since juggling two very similar parts would be a PITA for us.
If we don't get enough feedback, we're just make them the same as last time.

Okinawandrifter87 · 01-04-2010, 05:55 PM

Yeah I hear what your saying... I just figured make the old one like everyone likes and wants and for the people who are wanting the new one then just get a group buy on it with deposits and make it worth your while before you make it worth their while.

ka24detkyle · 01-04-2010, 06:09 PM

So roughly whats the time frame on having the new oil blocks done. I'm ready to buy ASAP. I got a motor going in now.

Also, if your doing anodizing this time, then i'd prefer no anodizing or clear anodizing.

thanks,
kyle

*ManoNegra* · 01-04-2010, 06:16 PM

We'll probably set a batch of bare aluminum blocks aside since people seem to like that finish/look.
Personally, I don't understand why - bare aluminum corrodes and anodizing helps protect the material

I want to hard anodize the next batch since I like the finish.
Would look similar to the Hot Rod satin finish:

we tentatively plan to start making them within the next couple of weeks.
Would take maybe 2-3 weeks after that if everything goes down smoothly.

-Juan

nismo91blk240sx · 01-04-2010, 07:46 PM

ill be ready to buy this weekend when i get paid. i like the look of the satin black finish too

Shadowhunter · 01-04-2010, 08:29 PM

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If it means easier access to the fittings if I need to get in there in a pinch I am all about keeping it as it is now. Not much of an advantage, and I see no oil starvation issues by using the 8AN.

mendozasport · 01-04-2010, 10:55 PM

i need one of these......
now feed back on your new design quesions
i did a small search and found that most of the relocacion kits use 8an anyway, so why waste time on searching and adapting a filter relocacion for 10an and cooler...
i seem to think its easier to leave it alone like it is
by the way did i say i need one

Gorilla Unit 33 · 01-05-2010, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhunter

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If it means easier access to the fittings if I need to get in there in a pinch I am all about keeping it as it is now. Not much of an advantage, and I see no oil starvation issues by using the 8AN.

Im with this guy! how much if you remake the original version?

xpinoyxmk · 01-05-2010, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhunter

If it ain't broke don't fix it. If it means easier access to the fittings if I need to get in there in a pinch I am all about keeping it as it is now. Not much of an advantage, and I see no oil starvation issues by using the 8AN.

+1

That flat black look would look nice too. How much will these cost? Ima put the money aside now and when its time to pay, then i will have it.

Should start taking ppl's names down or do like pay half now and then when products made, the other half will be payed.

*ManoNegra* · 01-05-2010, 08:27 AM

Interesting, here we were thinking that people actually wanted 10AN fittings
Even if we keep them 8AN, which is what is looking like we'll do,
we'll probably mess around with milling the fittings directly to the block in an effort
to make the block slimmer and maybe provide more clearance.
We'll try to keep the price the same as before.

xpinoyxmk · 01-05-2010, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

Interesting, here we were thinking that people actually wanted 10AN fittings
Even if we keep them 8AN, which is what is looking like we'll do,
we'll probably mess around with milling the fittings directly to the block in an effort
to make the block slimmer and maybe provide more clearance.
We'll try to keep the price the same as before.

Sweet.. Money set aside..

smracing · 01-05-2010, 09:43 AM

An o-ring groove on the mounting surface would be nice. This would get rid of the gasket or rtv that has to be used.

rb26man · 01-05-2010, 10:10 AM

flat black ftw

*ManoNegra* · 01-05-2010, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smracing

An o-ring groove on the mounting surface would be nice. This would get rid of the gasket or rtv that has to be used.

Adding an o-ring to the bottom surface was actually something we thought about
but ultimately decided not to pursue.
The reason is that an o-ring seal required very smooth surfaces for it to work properly.
The surface on our oil block is not problem since it's machined but the surface on the KA block, while machined, isn't smooth enough for an o-ring to properly seal.
That and leaking with gasket/RTV hasn't been an issue.

Also, we have already added to viton 0-rings to seal the oil outlet neck from the KA block as can be seen here:

we may very well add the groove but it would act as a guide for RTV.

nis720 · 01-05-2010, 11:24 AM

The only thing I can think of is maybe changing the angle of the two side fittings to clear the bolts, for easier install. I might be purchasing another block with the satin black finish.

*ManoNegra* · 01-05-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nis720

The only thing I can think of is maybe changing the angle of the two side fittings to clear the bolts, for easier install. I might be purchasing another block with the satin black finish.

Hey Moses, good to hear from you
seen your Youtube videos, your truck looks pretty fast; how is it doing?

Funny you mentioned the two side fittings, we were just talking about ways
of getting better clearance with the fittings.
One of the ideas is to place them at angles.

satal95 · 01-05-2010, 03:37 PM

Old design and how much will it cost so i can have money set aside this time

*ManoNegra* · 01-05-2010, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by satal95

Old design and how much will it cost so i can have money set aside this time

At moment we're thinking of improving the old design while still keeping it 8AN
pricing will most likely stay the same, $145 shipped and paypaled.

mendozasport · 01-05-2010, 05:47 PM

paypal info for prepayment
please you where sold out on the last one when i recieved money i was owed

mendozasport · 01-05-2010, 05:50 PM

also one more thing
you are gonna try and mill the fitting in but, in my case i was gonna install 90's to maintain a clean un clutered look
so i prefer the female thread on the block

sxse240 · 01-06-2010, 07:42 AM

I definitely want one or two of them. I prefer the original 8AN design, and would like it to retain the removable fittings, "just in case." I do like the hard anodizing idea though.

satal95 · 01-06-2010, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mendozasport

paypal info for prepayment
please you where sold out on the last one when i recieved money i was owed

like he said

nis720 · 01-06-2010, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

Hey Moses, good to hear from you
seen your Youtube videos, your truck looks pretty fast; how is it doing?

Funny you mentioned the two side fittings, we were just talking about ways
of getting better clearance with the fittings.
One of the ideas is to place them at angles.

Truck has been running good. Other than the clutch slipping everynow and then it's pretty reliable. Right now the wastgate gasket is holding me up (damn ebay), but I'm upping the boost to 12psi.

I was going to mention it when I initially test fitted the block on my truck. Maybe I can take the prototype again.

*ManoNegra* · 01-06-2010, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nis720

Truck has been running good. Other than the clutch slipping everynow and then it's pretty reliable. Right now the wastgate gasket is holding me up (damn ebay), but I'm upping the boost to 12psi.

I was going to mention it when I initially test fitted the block on my truck. Maybe I can take the prototype again.

Sounds good man, I'll let you know when we have something on on our hands.

bradass · 01-06-2010, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

At moment we're thinking of improving the old design while still keeping it 8AN
pricing will most likely stay the same, $145 shipped and paypaled.

I need one! can't wait!

cheap_sticker05 · 01-06-2010, 07:57 PM

I have seriously had the money waiting ever since the last run. old style is just fine!

*Wake* · 01-07-2010, 02:17 PM

Im down for the first version. and the satin black

NiSilS14 · 01-07-2010, 03:27 PM

keep the old design! Put me on the list for the next batch! This is will rock with the oil cooler setup i need to build.

View Poll Results: Skullworks KA Oil Block - 8AN vs 10AN
the old design is just fine, keep it 8AN	34	70.83%
I prefer 10AN fittings on my oil block	14	29.17%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

01-04-2010, 04:38 PM	#1
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	Skullworks KA Oil Block Ver. 2 So, we're getting ready to make more of these guys since I get asked for them regularly. one of the things we were asked on more than a few occasions last time we made them was why we put 8AN size fittings on the blocks as opposed to the more popular 10AN? the reason was twofold: - first, there really isn't a need to, everybody we talked to didn't see a need for a larger size and increased flow. - the second has to do with design restrictions; the proximity of the the oil inlet and outlet holes makes it impossible to put 10AN fittings next to each other and still have the required clearance to be able to thread them in and out. Well, we think we have a solution. We can do away with the fittings and mill the 10AN fitting heads directly to the top of the oil block thereby getting around the design restriction. Would you guys prefer that over the current version? The drawback: it's a more intricate design that will make the oil blocks more expensive to make. We figure we would ask $160 for them paypaled and shipped. Here's your opportunity to provide us with feedback and get the parts you want made the way you want them.

01-04-2010, 05:26 PM	#2
Okinawandrifter87 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 3,959 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I know Im just one fish out of the big sea, however I personally would still like the old setup. Here's an idea just to throw your way. Just continue to make the old ones like you were doing previously. But do like a group buy for the 10AN fittings. Like once you have 10 deposits or an amount that will make it worth while for you then make it in sets or groups only so you dont lose out but can still supply for the peeps out there that are asking of the new product. So that way its a win win for both parties? No? Idk. Just trying to give some useful help. __________________ Driftphreak87

01-04-2010, 05:55 PM	#4
Okinawandrifter87 Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 3,959 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Yeah I hear what your saying... I just figured make the old one like everyone likes and wants and for the people who are wanting the new one then just get a group buy on it with deposits and make it worth your while before you make it worth their while. __________________ Driftphreak87

01-04-2010, 06:09 PM	#5
ka24detkyle Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wilmington, nc Posts: 75 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oil blocks So roughly whats the time frame on having the new oil blocks done. I'm ready to buy ASAP. I got a motor going in now. Also, if your doing anodizing this time, then i'd prefer no anodizing or clear anodizing. thanks, kyle __________________ Kyle Bennett

01-04-2010, 05:34 PM	#3
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	That's actually not a bad idea. From our point of view, we would prefer to just make one design since juggling two very similar parts would be a PITA for us. If we don't get enough feedback, we're just make them the same as last time.

01-04-2010, 06:16 PM	#6
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	We'll probably set a batch of bare aluminum blocks aside since people seem to like that finish/look. Personally, I don't understand why - bare aluminum corrodes and anodizing helps protect the material I want to hard anodize the next batch since I like the finish. Would look similar to the Hot Rod satin finish: we tentatively plan to start making them within the next couple of weeks. Would take maybe 2-3 weeks after that if everything goes down smoothly. -Juan Last edited by ManoNegra; 01-13-2010 at 09:08 AM..

01-04-2010, 07:46 PM	#7
nismo91blk240sx Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Elkhart, IN Age: 34 Posts: 293 Trader Rating: (22) Feedback Score: 22 reviews	ill be ready to buy this weekend when i get paid. i like the look of the satin black finish too

01-04-2010, 08:29 PM	#8
Shadowhunter Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Diego,CA Age: 39 Posts: 647 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	If it ain't broke don't fix it. If it means easier access to the fittings if I need to get in there in a pinch I am all about keeping it as it is now. Not much of an advantage, and I see no oil starvation issues by using the 8AN.

01-04-2010, 10:55 PM	#9
mendozasport Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: orlando Fl. Age: 52 Posts: 202 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i need one of these...... now feed back on your new design quesions i did a small search and found that most of the relocacion kits use 8an anyway, so why waste time on searching and adapting a filter relocacion for 10an and cooler... i seem to think its easier to leave it alone like it is by the way did i say i need one

01-05-2010, 08:27 AM	#12
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	Interesting, here we were thinking that people actually wanted 10AN fittings Even if we keep them 8AN, which is what is looking like we'll do, we'll probably mess around with milling the fittings directly to the block in an effort to make the block slimmer and maybe provide more clearance. We'll try to keep the price the same as before.

01-05-2010, 09:43 AM	#14
smracing Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: nm Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	An o-ring groove on the mounting surface would be nice. This would get rid of the gasket or rtv that has to be used.

01-05-2010, 10:10 AM	#15
rb26man Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: where the hood ckatz is at Age: 36 Posts: 891 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	flat black ftw __________________

01-05-2010, 11:24 AM	#17
nis720 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 57 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	The only thing I can think of is maybe changing the angle of the two side fittings to clear the bolts, for easier install. I might be purchasing another block with the satin black finish. __________________

01-05-2010, 03:37 PM	#19
satal95 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: sa Posts: 1,512 Trader Rating: (24) Feedback Score: 24 reviews	Old design and how much will it cost so i can have money set aside this time __________________ Signature image exceeds allowable size.

01-05-2010, 05:47 PM	#21
mendozasport Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: orlando Fl. Age: 52 Posts: 202 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	paypal info for prepayment please you where sold out on the last one when i recieved money i was owed

01-05-2010, 05:50 PM	#22
mendozasport Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: orlando Fl. Age: 52 Posts: 202 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	also one more thing you are gonna try and mill the fitting in but, in my case i was gonna install 90's to maintain a clean un clutered look so i prefer the female thread on the block

01-06-2010, 07:42 AM	#23
sxse240 Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NM Posts: 95 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I definitely want one or two of them. I prefer the original 8AN design, and would like it to retain the removable fittings, "just in case." I do like the hard anodizing idea though.

01-06-2010, 07:57 PM	#28
cheap_sticker05 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 178 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have seriously had the money waiting ever since the last run. old style is just fine! __________________

01-07-2010, 02:17 PM	#29
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 41 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Im down for the first version. and the satin black __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

01-07-2010, 03:27 PM	#30
NiSilS14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 568 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	keep the old design! Put me on the list for the next batch! This is will rock with the oil cooler setup i need to build.

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