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Old 08-04-2020, 11:09 AM   #13141
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This is where I?be been at the whole time. I feel like the 86 is 60% of the car I want. Nothing is perfect, but it?s not quite enough to really want one. A little more power via a turbo and boom goes the dynamite. My o lot concern is at this point in my life I?m honestly not sure if I?ve matured beyond that kind of car. I hate that I feel that way but I honestly do. I feel like a 964 or a 993, F Type or new Supra or a new new Z would suit me better.

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Old 08-04-2020, 11:10 AM   #13142
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These guys don't want to build or even own a fun car. They want to complain about a utopia that never was, the car that got away. They should rightly be excited about a chassis as capable as that with a powerplant like that in it. In fact they'll wax lyrical about how that's how it always should have been. That shit's fucking cool.
Yeah I?m still genuinely bummed about the IDX. Especially since I follow the designer in IG and he posts shit about it from time to time. Such a mission opportunity. But still, if the Z can be legit (about the same size, weight, competitive power increase and come in a stick) I?m genuinely interested. At this point I?ve went so long without a sports car I?m willing to wait until the Supra offers a stick or the next Z comes out because I unfortunately honestly feel the 866 is too juvenile for me. Now, like I?ve said, if the next gen is just so fucking good maybe I?ll change my mind.
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I hope Nissan execs are regularly reminded in person how much they monumentally fucked up pushing the IDx so hard only to pull out at the last minute and pretend the whole thing was a goddam design experiment. You don't tell people it's built on an s chassis and all the specs you "intend" to include in a finished product if the thing only exists for grill and c pillar design ques.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:33 AM   #13145
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I hope Nissan execs are regularly reminded in person how much they monumentally fucked up pushing the IDx so hard only to pull out at the last minute and pretend the whole thing was a goddam design experiment. You don't tell people it's built on an s chassis and all the specs you "intend" to include in a finished product if the thing only exists for grill and c pillar design ques.
there was an article that popped up a while back that talked about this entire shit show... and basically it boiled down to Nissan couldnt find a place to build the car. they were initially going to use the same plant that builds the 370z and GTR, but they didnt want to make space in it to build the iDX because "it wouldve cut into the ability to get 370z's on the market".

like anyone was actually fucking buying those things past their second year...

Outside of getting Nissan out of near bankruptcy in the late 90s, it really seems Ghosn shit the bed in regards to catering to market demands for sports cars. The fact that the successor to the 370z AND GTR STILL havent made their actual debuts speaks worlds!
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Ghosn getting pushed out, legally or not, appears to be Japanese executives trying to save the company as an independent Japanese company. Good on them for that.

Now stop the bleeding and save the company.
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Ghosn getting pushed out, legally or not, appears to be Japanese executives trying to save the company as an independent Japanese company. Good on them for that.

Now stop the bleeding and save the company.
very much agreed. from what i was reading, the Japanese were getting very pissed off that he was basically trying to unify Nissan, Mitsu and Renault as like one big company. basically he was really going against Japanese business tradition in a lot of his decisions over the last decade in trying to unify a Japanese brand with a foreign brand.
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Jim Hackett, ford ceo out. fantastic news!!!

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Ghosn getting pushed out, legally or not, appears to be Japanese executives trying to save the company as an independent Japanese company. Good on them for that.

Now stop the bleeding and save the company.
Can they though? They would need to revamp so much. Their line up is boring.

The transmissions are shit.

They are basically 2000's KIA at this point. Anytime once asks me about getting a car, I straight up tell them to avoid Nissan minus the Maxima.
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The have all the tools necessary to come back bigger and badder. They're still one of the biggest manufacturers, and now they own Mitsubishi Motors too.

They put out that variable compression turbo engine a few years back and it's seemed to be successful. They clearly still have the engineering chops. The cars are more boring and old than ugly and every new concept gets people excited.

I think they just need to start making the changes necessary for success.
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We'll see. I think this new Z should bring light to how different things will be for a Renault-less Nissan
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Can they though? They would need to revamp so much. Their line up is boring.

The transmissions are shit.

They are basically 2000's KIA at this point. Anytime once asks me about getting a car, I straight up tell them to avoid Nissan minus the Maxima.
Their WHOLE ASS lineup is being replaced with the next 18 months or so (covid and all...for now at least).

The Z is going to be the ?halo? car they tout to sell the rest of the line up.

But they really really have a lot of work to do to convince customers to come back. These cars can?t just exist they need to lead segments and I?m not sure they?re going to be able to pull that off so quickly. They need to be as aggressive or more than Hyundai and Kia have been. Only time will tell.
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The Ariya was the first to debut and they do seem to be off to a good start.

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I would like to see something other than a new cross over. I do not understand why everyone wants one.
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I could be tempted by a real station wagon. I don't have any need for a tall ass midsized sedan.
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I mean has there actually been a better looking wagon than the current V60?





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I mean has there actually been a better looking wagon than the current V60?
oh why yes, there is. the 2020 Focus ST THAT WE ARENT FUCKING GETTING HERE BECAUSE FORD IS FUCKING STUPID!!!!!

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I hope ford reconsiders the fiesta & focus with a new ceo in place. although good luck getting a focus wagon. we’d be lucky to get the fiesta st hatch
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oh why yes, there is. the 2020 Focus ST
you're high. that shit looks like a low-budget tesla. volvo is still king of the wagon.
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you're high. that shit looks like a low-budget tesla. volvo is still king of the wagon.
IMO that Focus looks like an evolved/mature version of the previous gen. Looks nothing like Teslas, which look like robots making a duckface.

I'll actually say BMW, MB, Audi, Volvo all make attractive wagons. Or maybe I just love euro wagons haha.
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The focus being at all comparable to something like a v60 is exactly why station wagons are all but dead. I want the wheelbase and cargo area.
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if I had to get a station wagon, id get a sg forester xt (with the slight detuned wrx engine). yes its a suv but lower it and it looks no different than a boxy wagon. great aftermarket too. sf foresters are nice too but probably more of money pit. sadly they are getting hard to find.

just cant get into modern station wagons. not a lot of options and way too expensive. like the older boxier designs more and would prefer a volvo 850 over the new v70 and an audi b5 s4 / rs4 over the current rs6
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The Ford doesn't even look good. It's old news. It's a MazdaSpeed3 with a facelift. Shit is dumb.

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2021 Rogue was debuted a month earlier on June 15.

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if I had to get a station wagon, id get a sg forester xt (with the slight detuned wrx engine). yes its a suv but lower it and it looks no different than a boxy wagon. great aftermarket too. sf foresters are nice too but probably more of money pit. sadly they are getting hard to find.

just cant get into modern station wagons. not a lot of options and way too expensive. like the older boxier designs more and would prefer a volvo 850 over the new v70 and an audi b5 s4 / rs4 over the current rs6
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Old 08-07-2020, 07:59 PM   #13170
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