Where are you buying ebay/ssa s13 dual <200$ cat-backs now a days?

[chingon]

I need one but I only see s14's on ebay, some DNAmotoring one I'd rather not try & one @ xs-power website

[mav1178]

ebay still the place for these cheap things.

if you don't see it on ebay it just means no one wants to bother selling it.

[ZenkiKid]

SSA? SS Autochome? Havent heard that brand in years now.

[burnsauto]

https://www.kamispeed.com/products/h...sketL9BAT3Datc

Single muffler HKS system for 320?

[chingon]

Originally Posted by burnsauto

https://www.kamispeed.com/products/h...sketL9BAT3Datc

Single muffler HKS system for 320?

damn....I was ignoring JDM tyte because I thought they were just coated mild (unless I went expensive). Looks like it's coated stainless (I'm in the rust belt is why I'm considering all stainless. Single muffler may be too loud tho (ls1 here). The ssa ones have a resonator.

looks like that store borrowed the description from another system. This one lists is as mild:

https://www.importtuned.com/14446-hk...st-system.html
gah, maybe not:

https://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/produ...ffler/db/21804

[mav1178]

you should search harder on ebay.

found this cheap exhaust within 10 seconds of looking for "s13 exhaust":

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234633331349

plenty to choose from sub-$300.

[chingon]

Originally Posted by mav1178

you should search harder on ebay.

found this cheap exhaust within 10 seconds of looking for "s13 exhaust":

https://www.ebay.com/itm/234633331349

plenty to choose from sub-$300.

I saw that one, basically the DNA motoring clone. Unlike the s14 and prior s13 models however, these are just welded cans w/what in my experience is very thin sheet metal. The s14 have die pressed cans and lip rolled resonator. I think I found one elsewhere w/pressed cans and resonator. Basically this is the "better" model IMO:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2251...apt=4itemAdapt

[Thursday7]

I'm having a hard time following how you are looking for a new exhaust for less than $200 then proceeding to critique the quality it offers.

[chingon]

Originally Posted by Thursday7

I'm having a hard time following how you are looking for a new exhaust for less than $200 then proceeding to critique the quality it offers.

momma raised no fool.

Mostly cuz I've seen giant differences in build and fitment at the same price point for other projects.

I ordered this one, we'll see what arrives (if same as in pic):

https://eccppautoparts.com/dual-3-5-...ssan-1pcs.html

SSA still advertises it on their website but they refunded my order.

FWIW: I'm still unsure about the HKS alloy claims based on pics of used catbacks (piping looking pretty rusty).

[Abeo]

Originally Posted by chingon

FWIW: I'm still unsure about the HKS alloy claims based on pics of used catbacks (piping looking pretty rusty).

The HKS is 409 stainless, which isn't as corrosion resistant than 304 but way way better than aluminized mild steel. 409 stainless will get a surface tarnish if exposed to salt, but will hold up to winters. A s13 will rot in the rust belt before the HKS will.

Check out amazon for cheapo exhausts too. I snagged a $200 CAD 304 stainless catback a few years back before going to the HKS.

[chingon]

Originally Posted by Abeo

The HKS is 409 stainless, which isn't as corrosion resistant than 304 but way way better than aluminized mild steel. 409 stainless will get a surface tarnish if exposed to salt, but will hold up to winters. A s13 will rot in the rust belt before the HKS will.

Check out amazon for cheapo exhausts too. I snagged a $200 CAD 304 stainless catback a few years back before going to the HKS.

well, that's what's a bit fuzzy. Some sites say tip, some say muffler, some say muffler different than piping, some even say mild for piping. I looked a few used "sport" ones and rust was fairly noticeable. I might regret it since I'm a bit slammed and these ebay ones hang a bit low compared to single HKS.

[brndck]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23463333134...3ABFBM8Izc9MZg

[AKADriver]

Originally Posted by Thursday7

I'm having a hard time following how you are looking for a new exhaust for less than $200 then proceeding to critique the quality it offers.

If you want something known good, you buy name brand and spend the money. Of course. But no harm in asking around to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Some cheap parts punch above their weight. Always been that way. The same "if you want companies to make parts you have to support them by buying them" adage works for the eBay grade stuff, too, particularly if you find something that's actually well made.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by AKADriver

If you want something known good, you buy name brand and spend the money. Of course. But no harm in asking around to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Some cheap parts punch above their weight. Always been that way. The same "if you want companies to make parts you have to support them by buying them" adage works for the eBay grade stuff, too, particularly if you find something that's actually well made.

except even cheap brands change factories and suppliers all the time.

most people don't even realize that the vast majority of aftermarket parts suppliers are just brands using various contract factories that suit their needs.

[Abeo]

Originally Posted by chingon

well, that's what's a bit fuzzy. Some sites say tip, some say muffler, some say muffler different than piping, some even say mild for piping. I looked a few used "sport" ones and rust was fairly noticeable. I might regret it since I'm a bit slammed and these ebay ones hang a bit low compared to single HKS.

HKS themselves say it's 409.

Just checked mine; tip and muffler body is 304, rest is 409.

[burnsauto]

Originally Posted by chingon

damn....I was ignoring JDM tyte because I thought they were just coated mild (unless I went expensive). Looks like it's coated stainless (I'm in the rust belt is why I'm considering all stainless. Single muffler may be too loud tho (ls1 here). The ssa ones have a resonator.

looks like that store borrowed the description from another system. This one lists is as mild:

https://www.importtuned.com/14446-hk...st-system.html
gah, maybe not:

https://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/produ...ffler/db/21804

HKS didn't make a name for themselves being "tyte", they did it through making consistent, high quality parts that have repeatable results and quality. I've seen and heard those cheaper SS exhausts, and I doubt that "resonator" you see in the photos actually does anything, and if it does, it won't do it for long.

Without getting into it too much, just keep saving your pennies, you'll be glad you did when you get a quality exhaust.

[chingon]

Originally Posted by burnsauto

HKS didn't make a name for themselves being "tyte", they did it through making consistent, high quality parts that have repeatable results and quality. I've seen and heard those cheaper SS exhausts, and I doubt that "resonator" you see in the photos actually does anything, and if it does, it won't do it for long.

Without getting into it too much, just keep saving your pennies, you'll be glad you did when you get a quality exhaust.

I ran one of these ssa clones for years w/o issue is basically why I'm asking for a repeat. The HKS fitment looks fairly decent but again corrosion is a problem and just looking through a few "409 exhaust rust" google images I'm not entirely sold. I'll report on this ccp tyte, hopefully they've improved on fitment.

I hear you on the resonator, I bought an ebay special for a different platform, resonator was just a pipe welded on top of a pipe and mufflers I'm fairly certain were empty cans (DNAmotoring brand) that rung like bells. I replaced it w/another one at same price point and fitment was night and day, mufflers were thick steel and dead silent when you smacked them, no resonator but way quieter than the one it replaced.

Basically what homeboy below said. I look at this like HF/chicom tools, some losers, some jewels in there.

Originally Posted by AKADriver

If you want something known good, you buy name brand and spend the money. Of course. But no harm in asking around to help separate the wheat from the chaff. Some cheap parts punch above their weight. Always been that way. The same "if you want companies to make parts you have to support them by buying them" adage works for the eBay grade stuff, too, particularly if you find something that's actually well made.

[chingon]

Originally Posted by Abeo

HKS themselves say it's 409.

Just checked mine; tip and muffler body is 304, rest is 409.

I couldn't find it on their website. You got a link? I think I posted here some spec sheet that said S3 (which I think is basically 409), but unlike other models, they did not differentiate between piping and muffler body.

It's good to have a decent option if this other one ends up scrapped.

[Thursday7]

Originally Posted by chingon

The HKS fitment looks fairly decent but again corrosion is a problem and just looking through a few "409 exhaust rust" google images I'm not entirely sold.

See below.

Originally Posted by Abeo

A s13 will rot in the rust belt before the HKS will.

I don't know why anyone in their right mind would drive an S-chassis in a season where 409 SS rusting is a concern, in this day and age.

[Abeo]

Originally Posted by chingon

I couldn't find it on their website. You got a link? I think I posted here some spec sheet that said S3 (which I think is basically 409), but unlike other models, they did not differentiate between piping and muffler body.

It's good to have a decent option if this other one ends up scrapped.

https://www.hks-power.co.jp/en/produ...ffler/db/21804

[chingon]

Originally Posted by chingon

momma raised no fool.

Mostly cuz I've seen giant differences in build and fitment at the same price point for other projects.

I ordered this one, we'll see what arrives (if same as in pic):

https://eccppautoparts.com/dual-3-5-...ssan-1pcs.html

SSA still advertises it on their website but they refunded my order.

FWIW: I'm still unsure about the HKS alloy claims based on pics of used catbacks (piping looking pretty rusty).

OK, so just got this in. I got a 15$ coupon on top of the then 180$ price point. The seller has now dropped the price to 167$ shipped. SAVE15 is the coupon I tried to use but it didn't work so had to hit them by email and they issued store credit.

The bad:
-box was thin and banged up
-the cans aren't die pressed as I had expected but rather welded and ground/polished round.
-One of the gasket got bent in shipping (no biggie, but still)
-The duals seem a bit larger than I remembered but won't know until I fit it.
-Resonator had some minor fabrication pinches & the butt joint closing the can is not flat so juts out a tiny bit. Likely due to metal gauge.
-muffler inner perforated piping seems to be held by 3 or so tack welds, don't know if this is standard procedure and how well they hold over time (could eventually corrode/break/rattle over time I suppose).
-in the past, the hangers have just been chrome plated steel instead of stainless and I suspect this is no different.

The good:
-Fairly well built 7.5/10
-Thick stainless on the resonator and mufflers should prevent noisy road debris from pinging and dampen higher frequencies
-Resonator and mufflers aren't just for show (pipe welded on top of pipe), there's actually perforated piping in there & I suspect wool/fiber packing
-purchase was fairly seamless and shipping fairly quick

fitment/longevity: tbd