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Old 11-17-2020, 02:31 PM   #1
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2020 Coilover Comparison

Hello all, just me shitting up the chat section instead of using search. Just kidding, I'd say that the entry level/mid-tier coilover options ($1000-$2000) have changed a bit since the 2007 threads. Car is a street legal, very low 180sx used for drifting on a variety of track surfaces.

I've pretty much narrowed down my interest to the Stance XR1, Fortune 500's, and Feal 441+. Really thinking outside the box here. All have Swift springs available, and I'm looking for an 8k/5k combo.

Notes for comparison:

XR1:
-Inverted front monotube (largest draw here)
-In house overhauls available
-Made in USA with parts from Japan and Korea
-Gimmicky BS about better rust resistance and shit
-Have to request spring rate that isn't 8/6, not sure if making this change would bring default revalving.
$1,795 MSRP with Swifts

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-"Drift Spec" valving available tuned by Odi. (This is the extent of info I found in quick research, sounds lame without more info, haven't sent any emails or anything yet to dig deeper)
-In house overhauls available
-Designed and assembled in USA
$1,549 MSRP with Swifts

500 Series
-Digressive monotube piston (is this a gimmick?)
-In house overhauls available
-Designed and assembled in USA
$1,749 MSRP with Swifts

Honestly, the 441 seem to be coming out on top here given their affordability. The inverted piston of the Stance is a cool selling point, but I am having a hard time finding a downside to the Feals given that they are assembled with good quality control, are valved per each application, and have Swifts in the rate I desire. Fortunes seem like a great option but, to what I'm seeing, don't bring more to the table for the $200 more than the Feals.

Thoughts?
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Having used stance, BC, fortune's and other entry level coilovers, I say go with the FA's or Feals. I upgraded to FA 510's with swifts and I wish I would have done it sooner. It is a better option in every respect. I hear good things about the FEALS, which were a very close contender for me. Maybe I'll grab some feals for my s14 in the future.
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I absolutely love my XR1’s. They’re custom valved with 12/10k swifts and even at that stiffness the ride quality is better than anything I’ve had before (including bc, fortune, Cusco, jic, and pbm). There is a bit of lead time for custom rates, but with only a 1k difference there might not be any change.

Feal seems like a great deal. Not sure why more people don’t run them.

Ps. Why 5k rear? Doesn’t seem like there’d be much of a noticeable difference unless you’re driving at a competitive level.
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I have the Feal 441+ road racing version. I love them cannot speak to the drift versions though.
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I've had FA 500 and Feal 441+ Road Race. Both are good for budget Taiwan parts coilovers. It's hard for me to compare them back to back because they were on totally different cars, but I don't think you could go wrong with either at that price point. I was faster on the Feals though, lol (Stock KA powered S14 on NT01s vs a lightly tuned Legacy Spec B on FA-500s & RE71Rs). I don't have any personal experience with Stance.
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Thank you for the takes so far. Gotta love how each reply favors a different option I listed, lol. Will continue my research as this thread potentially expands.

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Ps. Why 5k rear? Doesn?t seem like there?d be much of a noticeable difference unless you?re driving at a competitive level.
I do have a reason for this. Without getting too into it, I have a few S13s and with the current coilover sets I have on hand, the rear setup will eventually go onto my kouki S13 "oem+" street car Im also putting together, with a matching 6-7k front rate for street "comfort".
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I love my Stance coils, i have been running the same GR+ coils for the past 8 years. The inverted monotube was a huge selling point for me.
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Love this thread. I'm in a similar position / train of thought eventually, and am personally leaning toward Feal myself.
Also, Feal recently posted some information comparing their coilover to another company (they did not name) and how their clicks effect the way the coilover moves on a shock dyno.
Also, they designed theirs so the first 4 or so clicks are DRASTICALLY softer for us ride quality guys.
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Thank you for the takes so far. Gotta love how each reply favors a different option I listed, lol. Will continue my research as this thread potentially expands.
Yeah this is the hard part about comparing coilovers. Most people only have a subjective experience with one or a couple brands, and sometimes newer versions are out etc. I remember Turbo Magazine once did a S2000 coilover shootout with like 8 different brands and they compared track times and had a whole bevel of testing for each one. Really really cool, and something that would be awesome to see from these famous youtube people that actually have the cash for it vs sponsor plugs and vlogs IMHO. Especially since car magazines are dead.

Here's my subjective experience: I've worked at a few speed shops and everything I've put Feal's on has rode amazing. Never been on the track with them (soon to be remedied with my own car). KW's have also been very nice to drive on, as well as Ohlins.
I used to steer people away from Stance because they used to ride like you replaced the dampers with wood dowels, but having worked with TF-works last year on some k-swap stuff and seeing their shock dyno and new models, I was very impressed with how they do things now, so I'm sure there latest models are pretty top-notch for the pricepoint.
Always wanted to try out Fortune 510's and their "blow-off" valve that's typically not included in coilovers below $5k+. They probably have the most "feature-rich" coilovers for the price.
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i know youre focused on the 3 options you mentioned, but Powertrix also makes an excellent coilover, with many of the qualities you listed. I've been on them for a year and they feel excellent thus far. I have the swift springs option. List price is fairly high, but they do offer sales often, and this time of year (Black Friday) is prob the best time of the year to order.

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Here's my subjective experience: I've worked at a few speed shops and everything I've put Feal's on has rode amazing. Never been on the track with them (soon to be remedied with my own car).
When you say on the track do you mean road racing or drifting? I have been considering Feal with swift springs to replace my Gen I Fortune Auto 500's.
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I've been on a few different coils setups and FEAL is the move. PBM, Stance, F&F, BC, Fortune Auto re-valved by Broadway Static - etc. Odi does a great job delivering you a great product at a competitive price. Even the FABS or other options he offers are reasonable. I'd be hard pressed to try something else ever again unless they were given to me/I was forced to run them.
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When you say on the track do you mean road racing or drifting? I have been considering Feal with swift springs to replace my Gen I Fortune Auto 500's.
Both, I'll be doing both.
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Feal 441+ is the best for that price point. I've used them on every S13 I've had.
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You said you were really thinking outside the box on your coilover options and the only ones you listed are the easiest coils to find domestically on a 30 second ebay search.

Not that I'm saying these are bad choices but can easily tell you didn't search very hard.

RSR, Tein, HKS, DG5, Zeal, GP sport, Blitz, Cusco, Buddy Club, D-max, KTS, Aragosta, Apexi, Greddy, Yashiro Factory, KYB, Ryo, Final Konnexion, Blisten, JIC, RG Racing Gear, T-Demand...just to name a few other options...
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You said you were really thinking outside the box on your coilover options and the only ones you listed are the easiest coils to find domestically on a 30 second ebay search.

Not that I'm saying these are bad choices but can easily tell you didn't search very hard.

RSR, Tein, HKS, DG5, Zeal, GP sport, Blitz, Cusco, Buddy Club, D-max, KTS, Aragosta, Apexi, Greddy, Yashiro Factory, KYB, Ryo, Final Konnexion, Blisten, JIC, RG Racing Gear, T-Demand...just to name a few other options...
sarcasm is hard homie.

Thanks for the looks so far everyone. Feals looking pretty good.
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Now that I've been able to test the Fortune Auto 500's the FEAL 441+'s and both are pretty similar. While the FA was more of a comfortable ride, they were a little floaty and weren't aggressive like you'd want in a drift car. The FEAL's have a nice down the road float feel but if you really get into the corners - or go sliding - they like to stick and transfer the weight as they should.

Both are great options. In the future, I'll stick with FEAL 441+'s with the SWIFTs.

Side note: the FA's have SWIFTs too and are in my JZX90. The FEAL's are in a S-chassis.
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Now that I've been able to test the Fortune Auto 500's the FEAL 441+'s and both are pretty similar. While the FA was more of a comfortable ride, they were a little floaty and weren't aggressive like you'd want in a drift car. The FEAL's have a nice down the road float feel but if you really get into the corners - or go sliding - they like to stick and transfer the weight as they should.

Both are great options. In the future, I'll stick with FEAL 441+'s with the SWIFTs.

Side note: the FA's have SWIFTs too and are in my JZX90. The FEAL's are in a S-chassis.
How was the FA in the bouncy territory? My 1st gen FA over not so great road would dang near dribble.
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The JZX90 feels kind of hefty but I don't notice bounce at all. It's more of a 'float' is the best way to describe it. I know it isn't quite far to compare them on unlike cars but the FA feels more of an adjustable coil that's comfortable and made for the road while the FEAL is a coil that's made to perform but also not shatter your spine. I'd say they're both worth investing in as long as the spring rates are carefully decided on with the application in mind.
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