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09-30-2021, 06:22 AM | #1 |
Can Nissan Make Fresh Chassis
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I was just sat here wondering as all the old S12 and S13 have slowly been smashed to pieces over the years, all we really have left for a reasonable price is rust. I'm pretty sure the US has more 180sx, 200sx and 240sx then the UK but over here a half rusted out running CA18DET S13 is around 9K. SR20DET start at around 12K. To get a decent rolling S13 shell in the UK is around 6K minimum. Could Nissan Start making old shells for old cars? Surly the presses that made the plated for the chassis to be welded still exists in the world, surly they could make on demand shells? Has anyone ever thought about mashing shells together? any companies that make new shells or even though abound making your own pipe shell, welding plates over it and putting the panels on that to make some franking S13? |
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09-30-2021, 06:56 AM | #2 |
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Nissan may make replacement panels through the heritage program - which is a huge stretch - but they won't retool a line to remake chassis for a 30+ year old model. You have to understand while this forum is large [or was in the hay days], in the grand scheme of things we don't really justify that type of financial investment. Companies like Xcessive and GKTech are making replacement rail sections and fabricators can bridge the gap on things that aren't made but for a manufacture to offer support isn't going to happen. If it does, it'll be so expensive that it makes absolutely no sense. See what Mazda is doing with the Miata with their chassis refreshment program. It's absurd.
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09-30-2021, 07:09 AM | #3 |
I didn't even know Nissan made replacement panels. The heritage program seems like something I should have known about aha.
I know Nissan or other such companies wouldn't retool a whole line to make just 1 type of chassis, there would be no market for this. I work in manufacturing and know for the cost to do this there would be almost no market. But I don't think its farfetched to think they could now tool a line to make every type of chassis on a made to order basis, they could cover their whole catalogue of old cars and any car they make in the future, this could be profitable right? I'll keep these companies in mind, I've just checked them out and they have some great parts, all I want in an S13 that's not a civ >.< |
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09-30-2021, 07:52 AM | #4 |
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the biggest issue is producing a chassis that doesn't meet todays safety crash standards, with the s13, it wouldn't come close to todays standards. They can't be held accountable for cars they made 30 years ago, but since these would technically be new cars, with new VIN's, they would need to fall in line with current standards.
There are loop holes, but these are usually for kit cars (think Caterham) and cars with such low production by less mainstream manufacturers (think Arial) that they can get around it to a lesser degree. Honestly, with the financial shape that Nissan is in right now, it wouldn't be worth their time. Sure you can bring Nissan an old R32 and they will restore it, but you'll have 250,000 USD in it. The GTR market MAY be able to swing it (we'll see how many people take advantage of the service offered) but with the S chassis, it'll never be there. We're all too cheap and/or poor to do such things. We have to start realizing that the late 80's and 90's were lighting in a bottle for car enthusiasts. The circumstances were just right in Japan, and in the rest of the world, for all those great cars to be made. With the way everything is moving forward, it'll never happen again. Some manufactures try to hold onto that spirit, the R35, the new Supra, but it's not what it was.
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09-30-2021, 08:33 AM | #5 |
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^^Mexico's Nissan Tsuru would be a perfect example here. That thing was probably just as safe as an S-chassis (aka death trap) and was still being produced up until 2017.
I love S-chassis as much as the next collector, but with todays emissions and safety standards, I just don't see 13's, 14's, or 15's being brought back into production. A modern day Silvia would be nice however. |
09-30-2021, 09:33 AM | #6 |
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Best to just keep what you have in nice shape.
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09-30-2021, 01:25 PM | #7 |
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ChairSlayer did laser his whole chassis when it was stripped down so in theory, he has the keys to the car when it comes to making laser-accurate replacement pieces. It will almost never come to fruition - ever.
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10-01-2021, 08:18 AM | #8 |
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KF Vintage is the only business I see that may end up offering OEM style replacement panels for s chassis. From their IG, they may be starting up something for s14's. Their current offerings for classic Z's and Celica's are pretty impressive.
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10-01-2021, 01:25 PM | #9 |
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I deal with Restoration Design for vintage Porsche sheet metal. They have a 100-ton press they literally re-engineered their building to accommodate.
They've remanufactured a complete 356 Speedster chassis. It's $17,750 assembled. It does not include the parts to make it a complete body, which I estimate at somewhere around $28,000. $45,750 for the parts alone, and 356s don't have the complicated pieces that S-chassis do. If you look at every panel KF Vintage has for a 240Z, they all add up to ~$5920. S-chassis are approaching valuations that make larger patch panels make sense. |
10-01-2021, 05:01 PM | #10 |
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Short answer: no.
Long answer: what you are seeking (reproduction of metal pieces) will only work if you have large MOQ (20k+) to hit a low price point. Alternatively, you can pay 3-5x original cost for a smaller manufacturer to reproduce metal at a lower quantity, but the issue of finding original sheet metal to reproduce is still there. And no, Nissan will not release info for 3rd party makers to restamp sheet metal. That's not how OEMs work.
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10-01-2021, 05:18 PM | #11 |
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And if there is one person that would know about the current state of Nissan OEM supplier more than anyone else, it's me...
Having spent the last 2 years trying to procure new, genuine OEM parts for production/import to resell, all I can say is that had I dumped my money into Bitcoin or even the S&P 500 when I started this (Dec 2019), I could have retired by now.
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10-02-2021, 12:04 PM | #12 |
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Time for new GR86 as the new silvia..... great successor i think. Better than anything nissan can do with all their sports car playforms being recycled
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10-03-2021, 06:20 PM | #13 |
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We don't need a new Silvia, though.
California's on a timeline to eliminate ICE cars. Everything's got neutered electric steering. The first FR-S/BRZ wasn't nearly as good to drive as a refreshed S-chassis, in my opinion. We're on this forum because we like something that's now vintage. The experience of a good S-chassis, the way they look... that's what we're aiming for. I restore vintage Porsches but don't care about the moderns. The way forward is to keep the S-chassis alive with quality parts. Alex, you sacrificed personal gain because you're an enthusiast- and we appreciate that. The Silvia fenders I have waiting on the acquisition of a car for a street build appreciate that. Our appreciation doesn't outweigh an early retirement, though. |
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Elimination of ICE isn't a California-only problem, it's the entire world. Manufacturers are moving towards what sells, and the market will move towards vehicles utilizing renewables whether it's slow movement via automakers or fast movement via legislation. Whether we like it or not, the ICE has reached peak efficiency and there really isn't any more we can get out of a traditional engine that hasn't already been done (in terms of power, fuel efficiency, design, etc). Electric power steering is one of those things that was created in pursuit of overall vehicle efficiency. The market is changing, the products have to evolve to reflect consumer preferences. Quote:
In an ideal world I could've started this process 12 months early, got the first shipment or two going, then take proceeds and park it for profit in investments. Or I could've parked $50k in AMC last summer. Whatever. I'm not a fortune teller.
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