S-Chassis as future collector cars.

[Yuri]

Anyone else think that someday S-chassis will start rolling across the auction block at Barret-Jackson?
The reason I ask, is a long time ago, musclecars were in the exact same position that 240's are in today, being bought, driven, and modified by young guys for cheap. 240's are the #1 most modified car in the US.
So, down the road, do you think our generation will grow nostalgic for our old S13's and 14's, and start buying them up as garage queens?
Will they still be modified, or will previously modified cars be put on the rotisseire for a number's matching restoration?

Which s-chassis do you think will be the most sought out by collectors?
Kouki S14 SE 5-speeds?
Zenki S13 two-tones?
Verts?

It's fun to speculate, and honestly this won't affect me at all, I just plan to hang on to the one I've got.

(and by the way, I loathe Barret-Jackson with a deep-seated seething hatred.)

[SimpleS14]

I can see imports being collector car's or someone restoring a 240SX (dunno why). In regards to your question, the verts...since they are rare period.


I know I'd buy a S15 down the road (if I could) and keep it as a garage queen.

[TiNMAN]

black s14a SE 5spd w/o sunroof!

[A Spec Products]

People need to stop crashing and ruining them.

Take care of your cars!

I'm generalizing but these days I mainly see beat up ones (at least in Socal)

Maybe you should start hoarding interior parts, cause when people "restore" these things, they gonna wonder why all of them are stripped (for no reason) lol

I think verts would be least popular (now and tomorrow)

Probably a clean S14 Kouki 5 Speed SE though, to answer your question

[azndoc]

I would like to think that $omewhere out there, there i$ $omeone who ha$ a minted 1989 240$x coupe or hatch that i$ $till wrapped in pla$tic and $mell$ like brand new car $mell.

But I highly doubt it.

[whereda40at]

Originally Posted by azndoc

I would like to think that out there, there i$ who ha$ a minted 1989 240 coupe or hatch that i$ wrapped in pla and $ like brand new car .

But I highly doubt it.

there might be. there was a guy selling a 93 mr2 turbo with 2500 miles on it for 45g's. im pretty sure there is some asshole who never drove there 240.

[usdm180sx]

Originally Posted by whereda40at

there might be. there was a guy selling a 93 mr2 turbo with 2500 miles on it for 45g's. im pretty sure there is some asshole who never drove there 240.

Selling is one thing. Sold is another.

[muddafakka]

I think the 89 hatch, S13 coupes and verts, and 98 S14s will be the most sought after.

Somebody already has collector plates on their vert so you never know...

I plan on looking into this later on via Hagerty Insurance.

[KA-T_240]

the rare ones are the stock ones

I know in Sioux Falls, SD there is a 89 coupe with under 20k on it. It is MINT!

[revat619]

kouki s14's will be. I say that without any bias what so ever.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Dont think itll happen, I say that because I dont see 240Z or 280Zs going down that road. Its almost as bad as saying EG6 Civics will become collector items too 50 yrs from now.

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Dont think itll happen, I say that because I dont see 240Z or 280Zs going down that road. Its almost as bad as saying EG6 Civics will become collector items too 50 yrs from now.

Actually Ray your wrong. 240Z's are already being considered as Classic and are well on the road to collectors. Even hough Toyota made the 2000GT and Nissan made the Datsun 310 and 311 roadsters, the cars that started this whole Japanese performance car/sports car thing in the United States officially numbers wise was the 240z. Followed closely by the 510 as the poor mans BMW 1600.
Though we owe it all mostly to the 240z. It layed the groundwork for Mazda to introduce the RX7 and Miata, Toyota to introduce the MR2 and Supra etc.....

180sx's in Japan though cheap are already falling into the legend status catagory as well due to the fact they were the most popular sports car ever sold in Japan.

Though I have a feeling 240sx's will be strictly a cult thing in the U.S. and not achieve the kind of collector status a 240Z will.

[Nachtmensch]

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Actually Ray your wrong. 240Z's are already being considered as Classic and are well on the road to collectors. Even hough Toyota made the 2000GT and Nissan made the Datsun 310 and 311 roadsters, the cars that started this whole Japanese performance car/sports car thing in the United States officially numbers wise was the 240z. Followed closely by the 510 as the poor mans BMW 1600.
Though we owe it all mostly to the 240z. It layed the groundwork for Mazda to introduce the RX7 and Miata, Toyota to introduce the MR2 and Supra etc.....

180sx's in Japan though cheap are already falling into the legend status catagory as well due to the fact they were the most popular sports car ever sold in Japan.

Though I have a feeling 240sx's will be strictly a cult thing in the U.S. and not achieve the kind of collector status a 240Z will.

i would argue the 240z being the one who "layed the groundwork."

i feel that the toyota 2000gt did much of the work. the 2000gt really turned heads and made people realize that the japanese are very capable of creating a sports car that rivals that of the american ones.

yes, the 240z seemed to sell much better, but it wouldnt be where it was without toyota's 2000gt coming first.

with that said, i dont think there will be a high demand for the 240sx. the 240sx is in that awkward pubecent phase of automotive history. just past carbs, but before technology really settled in. if someone wanted a "vintage" japanese car, why would they settle on a 240sx? the R32's, R33's, and R34's would be much more desirable, like they are today. the 240sx is just your common RWD sports coupe.

do you see people collecting foxboy mustangs too?

[drift freaq]

Originally Posted by dc2_lsvtec

i would argue the 240z being the one who "layed the groundwork."

i feel that the toyota 2000gt did much of the work. the 2000gt really turned heads and made people realize that the japanese are very capable of creating a sports car that rivals that of the american ones.

yes, the 240z seemed to sell much better, but it wouldnt be where it was without toyota's 2000gt coming first.

with that said, i dont think there will be a high demand for the 240sx. the 240sx is in that awkward pubecent phase of automotive history. just past carbs, but before technology really settled in. if someone wanted a "vintage" japanese car, why would they settle on a 240sx? the R32's, R33's, and R34's would be much more desirable, like they are today. the 240sx is just your common RWD sports coupe.

do you see people collecting foxboy mustangs too?

Ah go back and do your Homework a total of maybe 10 2000GT's made it to the United States. Do you know your history behind them as well?

Nissan and Yamaha were working on the Father or mother of the 240z and came to heads on the design. Project was dropped over a disagreement. Yamaha took its engine design and body ideas coming off the Nissan project to Toyota and you got the 2000GT.

Meanwhile Nissan decided to restart the Fairlady Z project and brought Mr Katayama into the picture the 240z was born.

It sold in record amounts in the United States for a Foreign built sports car, costing only 4k for a 2350lb, IRS, rack and pinion steering, 150hp sports car. (original weight pre crash safety standards 70- early 72) Clearing over 170k units sold by 1973.

Though that may seem like not that much by todays sales standards back in the 70's for a sports car those numbers were phenomenal.

Its a classic in every sense. Its funny Yuri still keeps avoiding mentioning it (the 240Z)even though he mentions the 350z lol. OH OH wait he did say he would buy a refurbed one if they did that. Hmmmm hehehhehehhehe

Oh ya and first two years of 240sx sales in the U.S. were actually decent for a entry level sports car as well selling 60k units per year. No Honda civic numbers or 10 years and running Mazda Miata numbers but very respectable especially when compared to previous S12 sales numbers.

One more note the current Fairlady aka 350z is already being considered a classic in Japan its huge in sales and has dwarfed the G35.

[brndck]

2tone coupes. with clean original paint. and working hud. they're hard to find already.

[spool_sample]

Considering the way the 240 community is, I see them going more towards vintage racing cars than collector's cars.

[kingkilburn]

I think people will be searching high and low for clean s13 two tones with no bodywork. Personally I would look for a clean ruby zenki with a sunroof.

[chibo]

Where does the "most modified car in the US" come from? I seriously doubt it.

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by chibo

Where does the "most modified car in the US" come from? I seriously doubt it.

+1, unless he means the number of people who are currently acquiring them with the intentions of modifying.
I think that they CAN be, given the number of people who buy them and modify (MOST of whom fuck them up and/or wreck them in the process)... At some point down the road, "unmolested examples" will be few and far between, greatly pushing out the retained value of those examples. Quality of modifications and all that shit will effect their fetch, of course.
It will be interesting to wait and see what happens.

[Yuri]

Originally Posted by chibo

Where does the "most modified car in the US" come from? I seriously doubt it.

"most Modified car" comes from SEMA's official market information.
Aftermarket companies that are sema members get update every so often on which markets are the hottest.

There are more people modifying 240's now than any other model of car.
There may be a higher total number of civics that have been modified, but people are no longer sinking as much money into them.

Plus 240 owners are more likely to buy big-ticket items like wheels and suspension. Most of the stuff being bought for civics were trinkets.

As for classic Japanese cars increasing in value, there was a big uproar over Barret Jackson allowing a Toyopet Crown in the last auction.
Japanese cars have started to cross the block.

It takes time for cars to build value in most cases.
A lot of people never thought 71-74 Chargers would appreciate, but now their values are snowballing. The same with Dusters and Darts, musclecars that people never thought would rise in value.

As the higher end cars continue to go up, the next rung on the ladder is pulled up with it, as people who can't afford the top dollar cars buy the next best thing.

Toyota 2000GT's already sell for insane amounts of money when they are put up for sale (which isn't often.)
First gen toyota Celicas are already appreciating.
The Nissan 240sx has a huge cult following, and as a result, the prices have already stabilized, at around the same age as popular musclecars did due to demand.

You have to realize, the musclecar market is driven by nostalgia.
Most musclecars weren't impressive in terms of performance.
They may have seemed like they had tons of power, but most of the time it was rated in gross horsepower, not net or SAE.
Most family cars today have better acceleration. 0-60 in under 7 seconds was considered really fast back then.
I realize that there were several musclecars that could do the 1/4 in the 13's, but many couldn't.

What I'm saying is that most of the people who are buying musclecars are doing it because they remember them being awesome and desireable when they were young.
Just like most of us are doing right now by being on this forum.
In related news, I don't doubt that 30 years from now, mint original Evo's and STi's will be fetching high prices.

[eastcoastS14]

^^ lol buy mine then....almost totally stock ruby zenki no sunroof 4lug and just turned 100k....maybe mine will be worth somethin in the future lol

edit: yeah chibo is right....I seriosly doubt 240s are the most modified cars in the US...maybe in cali but Im lucky if I spot one every few months as Im sure is true for the rest of the nation.....it has to be civics or integras or something

[DOOK]

the more they wreck, the rarer they become, driving up prices now and forever.

[Matej]

Thinking about the future makes me sad.

[Kn1ves]

I find the whole...

60s Mustang available in Coupe, Fastback and Convertible
90s 240sx available in Coupe, Fastback and Convertible

comparison pretty funny.
But in a few years time, our cars will probably just be like the Old Z cars today.

[DOOK]

so when then does a 68 fastback shelby GT500 equivalent S chassis come out... cause sign this mother fucker up.

[Kn1ves]

Originally Posted by DOOK

so when then does a 68 fastback shelby GT500 equivalent S chassis come out... cause sign this mother fucker up.

El es one swapped? Perhaps.

Originally Posted by agame001

^^^^^ HAHAHAHA!!!! NICE!!!^^^^

there will be collectors, but let's be realistic about it. stock 240's (stock suspension & engine) aren't aggressive enough to sell for big money, no matter how far along in the future we are.

we love s chassis, but put yourself in the shoes of those HONDA hooligans...
do you really think that they would buy a bone stock 1991 crx for more than $20K in any point during their lives?
i don't..
IMHO...i think that the same would go for a bone stock 240sx

I've seen low mileage mint ones go for $10k... and were only 17 years into it.

[bik]

Originally Posted by DOOK

so when then does a 68 fastback shelby GT500 equivalent S chassis come out... cause sign this mother fucker up.

if shelby take cars and modify them... then a care made by top secret or something may be very expensive in the future, is kinda the same

[agame001]

^^^^^ HAHAHAHA!!!! NICE!!!^^^^

there will be collectors, but let's be realistic about it. stock 240's (stock suspension & engine) aren't aggressive enough to sell for big money, no matter how far along in the future we are.

we love s chassis, but put yourself in the shoes of those HONDA hooligans...
do you really think that they would buy a bone stock 1991 crx for more than $20K in any point during their lives?
i don't..
IMHO...i think that the same would go for a bone stock 240sx

[swiftdrift]

Originally Posted by Yuri

240's are the #1 most modified car in the US.

How do you justify that?....

[Phlip]

Originally Posted by swiftdrift

How do you justify that?....

After I thought about it, I think about it more of a "per capita" thing, looking at the number of people who buy them to modify them opposed to those that buy them to leave them BONE stock.