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Old 05-15-2011, 06:19 PM   #1
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College education is the largest scam in U.S. history

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Old 05-15-2011, 07:32 PM   #2
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Got about 25 mins into it (over an hour long).
Some things I agree, other I do not.

The message I get so far is that 'student loans' and gov't policy is a scam.
Gov't is artificially driving up the cost of college (much like the real estate market), but making loans accessible to everyone, regardless of credit.
This causes artificial demand that drives up cost of college.

In the end, college debts are higher.
some loans may or not be paid, which further devalues the worth of the dollar.

I don't see this as making college, overall, a scam.
but it does make a compelling case of government involvement in student loans.
Some professions ultimately will require some level of formal education or training.
(you can't be a Medical Doctor through browsing the internet)
Some schools are cheaper than others.
(not everyone needs to go to USC w/ 60k +/year, or whatever those thieves charge today.
I went to UCSD and paid maybe 7k annual for my undergraduate degree)
Some degrees are more practical than others
(engineering vs. say sociology).

Education has NEVER been the only path to financial prosperity,
although it remains the most conventional path to do so even outside of the US.

A lot of other things are just a matter of inflation.
The old folks in the US, who say 'the old times were harder' have HIGHLY questionable credibility unless they went through the great depression.

IMO, if the gov't had to spend $$$ in a constructive way for the sake of education,
they should fund public colleges in sense where the cost of college remains as affordable as possible, where ppl wouldn't even have to take out huge loans.
Maybe keep city/state college tuition low, and not lay off teachers there.
By driving loans artificially low, you wonder who is the true beneficiary?

IMO, the real scam and failure is American public elementary & high schools, but that's another can of worms entirely.
I'm convinced 'no child left behind' was a good policy.
There has to be some level of quality control as far as HS graduation goes.
Schools can't just graduate anyone, so that they can get their funding.
It's not perfect, but it's a step in the right direction IMO.
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agree 100% with everything and its the same shit i've been thinking about over and over in my head while attending college
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agreed there shouldn't be nomore student loans
cant wait to finish up...eehhh
get a good job not in socal(emission reasons)
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agree 100% with everything and its the same shit i've been thinking about over and over in my head while attending college
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i think universities are scams. Like you get into debt, then graduate to get a job to pay your debt. I think community college is cool tho.
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it's not the only way but it's a good thing to do if you don't know wtf you want to do after HS.

my advice is go to a community college and knock out that general ed, I paid about 270 a semester plus 300 for books, I was living at home and it all 90 units transferred to 60 quarter units at a CSU SAME SHIT
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Thats sort of what I was saying.
City colleges ( and other public colleges ) are the best deal out there.
I can't speak for other states, but in CA if you apply yourself in HS or even city college,
Its not difficult to transfer into a decent reasonable cost college, like UCLA.

Why would anyone want to go to USC for 60k vs UCLA for say 10k for the same bachelors degree is beyond me.
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Just as foolish as anybody who says a college degree is worthless.

Dentist lady should have taken a few more math classes and a reality check.
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i only go to college because i cant find a job and cant pursue my career choice until im 21.
but this was my last semester because i cant afford to return due to rising costs. its bullshit really. and i cant find a job because i dont have a degree and/or im not bilingual. its a viscious cycle.
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I'm going into my 3rd year at college and I haven't learned a god damn thing. The majority of jobs you get with a degree need training anyway to learn to do the job so what is the point?
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College on Credit is what has ruined it IMO. Much like everythign in life, if you can't afford it, you're not trying hard enough for it.
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College on Credit is what has ruined it IMO. Much like everythign in life, if you can't afford it, you're not trying hard enough for it.
Iunno, i feel like the credit is necessary. nobody is going to go to med school and work enough hours to pay for it at the same time. and if you wanted to save up for it you'd end up being 40 years old before you even started.
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Iunno, i feel like the credit is necessary. nobody is going to go to med school and work enough hours to pay for it at the same time. and if you wanted to save up for it you'd end up being 40 years old before you even started.
I guess the 'Bruery' ha clouted my thought, but you are right. IMO certain desirable things are deserved of credit, but my comment was directed at these bums taking bullshit credits towards nonsensical majors...and then bitching that college was wack when they have a degree in Lawncare and can't get that CIA job kinda deal.
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I'm going into my 3rd year at college and I haven't learned a god damn thing. The majority of jobs you get with a degree need training anyway to learn to do the job so what is the point?
point is without that degree you're not going to even get through the door
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I guess the 'Bruery' ha clouted my thought, but you are right. IMO certain desirable things are deserved of credit, but my comment was directed at these bums taking bullshit credits towards nonsensical majors...and then bitching that college was wack when they have a degree in Lawncare and can't get that CIA job kinda deal.
exactly,
college is great (it was for me in many respects)
but have a good idea of what you want to become career wise
I didn't so I chose the most challenging thing I could
and now I have a Physics degree that I've never put to use
not to say my education was pointless
organization, task management, work ethic and the confidence
in knowing that I can do anything I put my mind to is a direct
result of my education

I love my job but it's demanding and carries a great deal of
responsibility and stress
I didn't go to school to learn it
I was brought into a 'sink or swim' situation by a friend
(whom I met at a 240 meet btw)
couldn't have done it without my education background

and on the other hand:
my boss/friend who runs the company I work at is a HS drop out
one of a few people I've met in my life that is literally too smart for school
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exactly,
college is great (it was for me in many respects)
but have a good idea of what you want to become career wise
I didn't so I chose the most challenging thing I could
and now I have a Physics degree that I've never put to use
not to say my education was pointless
organization, task management, work ethic and the confidence
in knowing that I can do anything I put my mind to is a direct
result of my education
And that (to me) is the main point of college. Certainly there things to learn and rehearse, but it's the critical thinking, the problem solving, and the ability to gather multiple sources to form an opinion that are most important from college. Half of the complainers up have a hard time working google...no wonder why they didn't 'get much' from college..
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I know so many post secondary students that spent years in University that come out un-able to apply the knowledge they have. NEVER go into school expecting a job to be waiting for you. Take classes that get you places, or give you the ability to corner a market somewhere. And always expect to move. Never stay planted too long.
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At my local university, the school dragged it's feet building the engineering building for students by 6 years. That didn't stop them from taking engineering students like me and then getting them 3 years into a program and really trying to force them into another field. At the end, you could see that it was a worthless piece of paper. Mechanical engineering students graduating without ever building anything. Even with this new building which is half the size of the next building I"ll talk about, mechanical students have what amounts to a single garage bay to build their senior design project. Not sure what they can build though because cutting tools are not allowed. No mills, no lathes, no welders, no plasma cutters, no torches not even a circular saw. They were lucky and got approved last year for a jigsaw and a sawzall. So combine that with a drill and a walmart tool kit. They're pretty much set to build almost nothing unless it's done at their house or off campus.

They magically found the money to build a complex twin tower "student union" building that includes a bar, a pool hall, a room with nothing but xbox's and ps3's with games, a full arcade, movie theater and executive level office space for Student Government, LBGT affiars, etc etc. A full bank, a starbucks, 10 restaurants, a two story book store that has more apparel than your local old navy, etc. To compliment this new "upgrade", they felt the need to build new dorms. Since college students don't need "affordable" housing, they built 3 person 2000 sqft luxury apartments er I mean dorm rooms. The whole complex is ringed with a lazy river and has it's own waterslide. For those of us who don't live on campus, we're now paying $175 a semester for a premium parking pass which means we can park within 4 miles of campus and not take the shuttle and we're being taught by adjuncts getting paid $1600 a semester to teach the class. The one time I had a real tenured professor, he was a complete goon. Spent most of his adult life studying crustaceans in hawaii. Moves to florida because he needs to "get on our manatee problem". In the end, no one knew what he wanted us to know and he had to curve the class grades 15 FINAL points. If I was an idiot and borrowed all the money to live on campus, buy books at the ridiculous book store, and borrowed money for classes, I'd be pissed. Nothing serious is going on and the only thing that has increased while I was there is the tuition, the price of books, and the number of parking tickets they wrote.
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