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StaticX27 · 01-31-2007, 09:15 PM

So you know, I'm getting my SR smogged within the next few days, I'll get you the number read outs when I go down next week. I'd happily pay $300-400 for a certificate saying its a legal motor. Keep us posted

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 01-31-2007, 09:27 PM

Static- if you could do that it would be immensly helpful.

If anyone else could to it would really aid in the process

timtiminy · 01-31-2007, 10:06 PM

okay just to answer you breifly and to the point. i would pay the $400-$500 to get my SR CARB certified and be completely legal. I dont have an SR just yet but when i do finally get it i want to have peace of mind.

ni5mo240 · 01-31-2007, 10:16 PM

Philthy not all cars come with EGR systems, so not all cars have to have it when you get smog check done, but unfortunately 240's came with it so it must be present in the visual inspection. SR's only have air injection and no egr, so when you try and go to smog it the tech looks for emission components that come on that car, he doesn't see egr, you fail visual, and ka's dont come turbo so when a tech sees the turbo in your SR you also fail for that, so you can't try and pass a sr for a ka, it's too ovbious.

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 01-31-2007, 10:21 PM

Timtiminy- werd that exactly what I want this project to be about!

ni5mo- werd also, thats what this cert will hopefully cover, more details soon!

ni5mo240 · 01-31-2007, 10:34 PM

tknbkthrsdy4anfg- tell your boss that SR's came factory in japan with air injection, evap (charcoal canister), a three way catalytic converter (wich reduces NOx), pcv system, and a turbocharger. That's all the emission components I can think of, I don't see why it wouldn't pass sniffer

GSXRJJordan · 01-31-2007, 10:41 PM

If it could be CARB EO'd, you'd still have to take it to get 'sniffed' for smog right? It wouldnt be like a "get out of smog free for life" card right? Even so, I'd be down for $400.

drift-it · 01-31-2007, 10:45 PM

I think what your trying to do is great, but in CA theres so many rules and regulations it's hard to be legit, if for some reason you can figure a way to make it 100% legal in CA no loop holes count me in.

StaticX27 · 01-31-2007, 10:46 PM

Carb sticker will at least make it so you don't have to pay your smog guy $250, you can pass a mildly modified car at a regular smog station for $50. Carb stickers will basically exempt you from the visual (to some degree)

pablo180 · 01-31-2007, 11:06 PM

I'd happily pay $500+ to get the SR legalized.

Addicted2Kouki · 01-31-2007, 11:31 PM

interesting. lemme know if any progess.

xrockoutx · 02-01-2007, 12:55 AM

I'd pay the fee too, when i move to CA. I'll email you a copy of my smog print out.

redsuns3838 · 02-01-2007, 01:17 AM

I would happily pay 500 or more. But could it work for OBD II cars? Because Srs didnt come with OBDII so if you have an OBD II car its extremely hard to get it smogged..

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 07:44 AM

Reduns- I thought S14 sr's were OBDII?
Jeff- yes you would still have to get sniffed.
Drift-it- Thats the plan

Hoobuttacrew · 02-01-2007, 12:37 PM

My question is a bit off topic but I was wondering if I do a vq35 swap into my 1991 240 will it pass smog? what will I need from the donor car to assure this? I know each car passes on its own but im curious as to a hybid between the two. Any help is greatly appreciated.

ni5mo240 · 02-01-2007, 12:39 PM

you need all the emission equipment that came in the donor car

kenshinS14sks · 02-01-2007, 12:58 PM

holy crap, get me certified. that would be so nice, having a street sr no worrying about ref tix. not having to worry about taking the car back to 160hp status... *sigh* only if~...

tknbkthrsdy4anfg - how plausible do you think this is? what have you found through your research, and what needs to be done?

Hoobuttacrew · 02-01-2007, 02:14 PM

But the car would pass the visual inspection? Im really looking for a legal alternative to a jdm swap and the vq seems to be the way to go. I just wanna make sure I get everything right the first time. Im looking to pick up an entire car (salvaged) and use alot of the parts i.e. seats, brakes, powertrain and any needed electrical stuff to get it carb approved.

!Zar! · 02-01-2007, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoobuttacrew

But the car would pass the visual inspection? Im really looking for a legal alternative to a jdm swap and the vq seems to be the way to go. I just wanna make sure I get everything right the first time. Im looking to pick up an entire car (salvaged) and use alot of the parts i.e. seats, brakes, powertrain and any needed electrical stuff to get it carb approved.

Um... Start your own thread.

Everything you are thinking about has already been talked about. So you have a choice to search or start a new thread in chat. You decide.

Legalizing an sr? If this is more than a pipe dream than I'm down.

bigOdom1 · 02-01-2007, 02:27 PM

heres how to not worry about sr legality: MOVE TO ALABAMA

10-66kruk · 02-01-2007, 03:04 PM

a legal sr hell ya sign me up. I am procrastinating just becuase i wanna do an sr swap. Thing is i don't even have a 240 im will sooon and if i can do a smog legal sr helll id pay the 500$'s sure. keep us posted

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 03:22 PM

UPDATE!:
"...FYI: As long as the car passes a certification test it could have 10 turbochargers, NOZ (

) and N0 egr or air pump. The visual test is done to assure the car has the same emission's equipment on it as it did in certified condition. We will be re-certifying the engine and car... Provided it passes the certification test... our under hood label will state what equipment is required."

Handed down from the boss himself!

So my question to you is who has numbers?? StaticX27 is going to give me numbers for a S14 sr in an S14. Anyone have S13 numbers blacktop or red?
If you do, and are willing, send your chassis year, engine model, mods and numbers to [email protected].

As far as I know, a seperate certificate will need to be issued for each SR. As in one for the S14 SR, and one for the black top and one for the red. But hopefully since all the research I have done shows that the black and redtop SR's are more or less the same one should cover both.

I hope this turns out not to be a pipe dream, but it sounds like interest is the limiting factor right now!

Big odom1- Cali > Alabama

Pablo- that FSAE is sick!

Flybert · 02-01-2007, 03:45 PM

Everyone will be interested in it. The limiting factor is cost.

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 03:50 PM

Well yea, people interested in paying that cost.

brainfood · 02-01-2007, 04:10 PM

I would pay $500 or so to have it legal maybe a bit more. I can see people paying that easily if it goes through.

redsuns3838 · 02-01-2007, 06:07 PM

i was told the SR does not use OBD II in japan. so no OBD II SRs. So for people with OBDII cars that makes it extra difficult to smog, and more costly. So i think legalization would be worth a great deal of money. Id be honest if I was keeping my 240, (and maybe I would if I could get it legalized) I would easily have paid more than 500 to not have to drive the car in fear 24/7. Hell my coilovers cost 3x that much. 500 is chump change compared to what you pay for under the table smogs and god forbid a ref ticket.

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 06:12 PM

okay, shouldn't make a difference.
Anyone know for sure?

tknbkthrsdy4anfg · 02-01-2007, 08:53 PM

Okay, so another step forward, since the SR20DE was certified in the US (yes I know it was non-turbo and FWD and they arent exactly the same engine) But its a start. However it looks like to be certified it will have to be in a certain configuration, tested and spec'd by us. Its not as esay as just posting better smog check numbers. The certification test isnt a matter of driving at two differnt speeds with the sniffer either. The exhaust system has to be sealed into a sampling bench and then a trace is followed simulating actual driving conditions. A cold start test is included followed by a hot soak and hot start. I will keep you all updated and any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

rps13sr20det · 02-01-2007, 09:53 PM

sure is nice to live in canada! i can pollute as much as possible and NOTHING

EchoOfSilence · 02-01-2007, 10:04 PM

yeah! pollution's cool!

01-31-2007, 10:16 PM	#34
ni5mo240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sacramento/Elk Grove, CA Age: 38 Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Philthy not all cars come with EGR systems, so not all cars have to have it when you get smog check done, but unfortunately 240's came with it so it must be present in the visual inspection. SR's only have air injection and no egr, so when you try and go to smog it the tech looks for emission components that come on that car, he doesn't see egr, you fail visual, and ka's dont come turbo so when a tech sees the turbo in your SR you also fail for that, so you can't try and pass a sr for a ka, it's too ovbious. __________________ TUNAS. Jalostotitlan Jalisco

01-31-2007, 10:34 PM	#36
ni5mo240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sacramento/Elk Grove, CA Age: 38 Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	tknbkthrsdy4anfg- tell your boss that SR's came factory in japan with air injection, evap (charcoal canister), a three way catalytic converter (wich reduces NOx), pcv system, and a turbocharger. That's all the emission components I can think of, I don't see why it wouldn't pass sniffer __________________ TUNAS. Jalostotitlan Jalisco

01-31-2007, 10:41 PM	#37
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	If it could be CARB EO'd, you'd still have to take it to get 'sniffed' for smog right? It wouldnt be like a "get out of smog free for life" card right? Even so, I'd be down for $400. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

01-31-2007, 11:06 PM	#40
pablo180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxford, UK Age: 41 Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd happily pay $500+ to get the SR legalized. __________________ www.formula1.com

02-01-2007, 12:39 PM	#46
ni5mo240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sacramento/Elk Grove, CA Age: 38 Posts: 908 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	you need all the emission equipment that came in the donor car __________________ TUNAS. Jalostotitlan Jalisco

01-31-2007, 09:15 PM	#31
StaticX27 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Rowland heights, CA Age: 40 Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So you know, I'm getting my SR smogged within the next few days, I'll get you the number read outs when I go down next week. I'd happily pay $300-400 for a certificate saying its a legal motor. Keep us posted

01-31-2007, 10:06 PM	#33
timtiminy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Socal Posts: 624 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	okay just to answer you breifly and to the point. i would pay the $400-$500 to get my SR CARB certified and be completely legal. I dont have an SR just yet but when i do finally get it i want to have peace of mind.

01-31-2007, 10:45 PM	#38
drift-it BANNED Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: sd Posts: 627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think what your trying to do is great, but in CA theres so many rules and regulations it's hard to be legit, if for some reason you can figure a way to make it 100% legal in CA no loop holes count me in.

01-31-2007, 10:46 PM	#39
StaticX27 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: Rowland heights, CA Age: 40 Posts: 550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Carb sticker will at least make it so you don't have to pay your smog guy $250, you can pass a mildly modified car at a regular smog station for $50. Carb stickers will basically exempt you from the visual (to some degree)

02-01-2007, 12:55 AM	#42
xrockoutx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: reno, nv Age: 41 Posts: 88 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd pay the fee too, when i move to CA. I'll email you a copy of my smog print out.

02-01-2007, 01:17 AM	#43
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would happily pay 500 or more. But could it work for OBD II cars? Because Srs didnt come with OBDII so if you have an OBD II car its extremely hard to get it smogged..

02-01-2007, 12:37 PM	#45
Hoobuttacrew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My question is a bit off topic but I was wondering if I do a vq35 swap into my 1991 240 will it pass smog? what will I need from the donor car to assure this? I know each car passes on its own but im curious as to a hybid between the two. Any help is greatly appreciated.

02-01-2007, 12:58 PM	#47
kenshinS14sks Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: brea, ca Age: 43 Posts: 694 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	holy crap, get me certified. that would be so nice, having a street sr no worrying about ref tix. not having to worry about taking the car back to 160hp status... sigh only if~... tknbkthrsdy4anfg - how plausible do you think this is? what have you found through your research, and what needs to be done? __________________ facebook.com/SodiumDanceCompany

02-01-2007, 02:14 PM	#48
Hoobuttacrew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	But the car would pass the visual inspection? Im really looking for a legal alternative to a jdm swap and the vq seems to be the way to go. I just wanna make sure I get everything right the first time. Im looking to pick up an entire car (salvaged) and use alot of the parts i.e. seats, brakes, powertrain and any needed electrical stuff to get it carb approved.

02-01-2007, 02:27 PM	#50
bigOdom1 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Auburn/Birmingham AL Age: 40 Posts: 1,817 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: bigOdom1 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	heres how to not worry about sr legality: MOVE TO ALABAMA

02-01-2007, 03:04 PM	#51
10-66kruk Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lake Forest, Ca Age: 34 Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	a legal sr hell ya sign me up. I am procrastinating just becuase i wanna do an sr swap. Thing is i don't even have a 240 im will sooon and if i can do a smog legal sr helll id pay the 500$'s sure. keep us posted

02-01-2007, 03:45 PM	#53
Flybert Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: none Posts: 3,862 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Everyone will be interested in it. The limiting factor is cost.

02-01-2007, 04:10 PM	#55
brainfood Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Eagle Rock, CA Age: 41 Posts: 2,957 Trader Rating: (18) Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I would pay $500 or so to have it legal maybe a bit more. I can see people paying that easily if it goes through. __________________ Bryan Rogers http://www.seriousbadass.com

02-01-2007, 06:07 PM	#56
redsuns3838 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: dog town Posts: 969 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i was told the SR does not use OBD II in japan. so no OBD II SRs. So for people with OBDII cars that makes it extra difficult to smog, and more costly. So i think legalization would be worth a great deal of money. Id be honest if I was keeping my 240, (and maybe I would if I could get it legalized) I would easily have paid more than 500 to not have to drive the car in fear 24/7. Hell my coilovers cost 3x that much. 500 is chump change compared to what you pay for under the table smogs and god forbid a ref ticket.

02-01-2007, 09:53 PM	#59
rps13sr20det Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: calgary, AB Posts: 128 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sure is nice to live in canada! i can pollute as much as possible and NOTHING __________________

02-01-2007, 10:04 PM	#60
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yeah! pollution's cool! __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !