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Old 08-28-2009, 08:16 PM   #31
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Damnit... I don't see this thread going to far anymore. Thanks guys.

But while its still up, I might as well add something. industrial grade hemp can only really be made from cannibus sativa, which has several uses which are fantastic, and legal. Ever pay close attention to the seeds in those bricks of bird feed? Yeah, seeds high in protein, pun unintended. Hemp seed oil is also a great source of omega fatty acids, and low in cholesterol. It also has a nice nutty taste and aroma. It also has hardly any THC in it, because the seeds don't have any in it. It mostly comes from Canada.

You can't exactly go to WalMart and buy hemp seed oil though, even though its better for you than corn oil, veggy oil, whatever. Imagine replacing all the cooking oil in fast food restaurants with healthy oil? Imagine getting delicious, low fat, low cholesterol french fries at mickyd's!
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Good job missing my point.
I would LOVE for you guys to be able to discuss the legalizing of the marireefers, in fact I am a non-smoker who argues that it should be legalized.

However.

Those describable as "stoners" and "potheads" have somehow stereotyped themselves out of the conversations describable as a "mature discussion," they would rather show off their wares -- which are STILL illegal -- instead of discussing the task at hand objectively, a whole lot more of "fuck tha po-lice, I'mma smoke til I DIE!" than "this is why I feel it should be legalized..."

Those individuals are all the fodder needed for those arguing AGAINST legalization.
... well, that and Harold and Kumar movies...


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We are a privately owned forum, we could allow ANYTHING we want, including discussion of/sharing of wares, torrents, NSFW materials, drugs, firearms, hatespeech, whatever you can name.
The problem with that is that a site of this size MUST identify themselves when they do such things -- hell, I have to do that when I register my own blog -- and that information is sent to websense and other filters, which kills our traffic, even when considering that 95% of our traffic has NOTHING to do with any of that shit. This goes not to mention that our registration is open to anyone 13 and over, which we would ALSO like to maintain.
Consideration allowed for all reasons named above, we frown on discussion of felonies and such. We ask that our members refrain from discussion of things that might land them in jail or net US a subpoena.

Please, I am a moderator, I am here to keep the order and answer questions in a specified thread in my signature, please don't make me post in this thread anymore.
Nah man, i got your point and i respect it. In fact i tried to just delete the thread but forgot that i am not a premie any more ..

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This was just like my thread that failed cause of a pic last week. Well hopefully no dumb asses will get this thread locked. From what I heard on the news just a couple days ago that legalizing cannabis in cali would make trillion's of dollars just for the state of cali (yes with a T). Now imagine on a large scale if all the state did the same.
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This was just like my thread that failed cause of a pic last week. Well hopefully no dumb asses will get this thread locked. From what I heard on the news just a couple days ago that legalizing cannabis in cali would make trillion's of dollars just for the state of cali (yes with a T). Now imagine on a large scale if all the state did the same.
wait. thats alot of pot...

if I did my math correctly, which is unlikely... thats 5000 dollars worth of pot for each person each year?
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would be another highly taxed item like cigarettes i would think. so the government might want to harvest said money.
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why cant we have something for us, thats NOT heavily Taxxed by "the man"???????
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^ ahahahahahahahahah cause " the man " wants as much money as he can get. And when it comes to something like weed they will tax the shit out of it cause they know alot of ppl will pay to have legal weed. And in return more and more ppl will start growing and they dont want that. I can see it becoming legal but illegal to grow in the your own home. But to that, the only thing they can use to see in someones house is flying over with infrared and that tech. they have to have a warrant to do that.

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I dont exactly know the numbers but they said 3 trillion on the news idk how real of a number that is. Ill post up more info when I hear something.
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oakland, ca already approved the marijuana business tax; a first in the entire nation

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Oakland voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly approved the nation’s first ever business tax on retail marijuana sales.

According to preliminary election results, approximately 80 percent of Oakland voters approved the new tax (which appeared on the ballot as Measure F), which imposes an additional tax for “cannabis businesses” of $18 for every $1,000 of gross receipts beginning January 1, 2010.

Presently, Oakland’s medical cannabis dispensaries are taxed at the same rate as other retail sales businesses ($60 per year for the $50,000 of gross receipts, plus $1.20 for each additional $100,000).

Four dispensaries are licensed by the Oakland City Council to sell and dispense medical marijuana.

According to a financial analysis by the Oakland City Auditor, Oakland’s new cannabis business tax will generate an estimated $300,000 in additional annual tax revenue.

Representatives from the Oakland City Council, the California Nurses Association, and the dispensary community publicly advocated for the new tax, which had no formal opposition.

“The passage of this first-in-the-nation tax further legitimizes cannabis-based enterprises in Oakland and elsewhere,” NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre said. “These outlets are contributing to the health and welfare of their local communities, both socially and now economically. At a time when many municipalities are strapped for tax revenues and cutting public services it is likely that public officials in other cities will begin considering similar proposals.”
also i find this picture very interesting, no it does not have any pictures of weed


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wtf missouri. This state fails.
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wtf missouri. This state fails.
in Columbia (GO TIGERS), if you are carrying less than an ounce and a quarter of weed (35g), they can't arrest you. they can only give you a summons. and that's a lot of pot to be carrying around.

unfortunately that's just CoMo.
oh well, at least passengers in cars can still drink beer.

edit: also, not having the "mandatory" icon on our state is a very good thing.
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in Columbia (GO TIGERS), if you are carrying less than an ounce and a quarter of weed (35g), they can't arrest you. they can only give you a summons. .

Same as NY only our limit is 28g. Although thats only for first offense, second time will land you in a holding cell.


whats "madatory" mean on that map? mandatory jail time? because i know florida is harsh... but that doesnt make sense in combination with other symbols in other states....
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Same as NY only our limit is 28g. Although thats only for first offense, second time will land you in a holding cell.


whats "madatory" mean on that map? mandatory jail time? because i know florida is harsh... but that doesnt make sense in combination with other symbols in other states....
in como you can be caught over and over without being taken in, which is kind of cool.
although, in california, apparently it's a max fine of a hundred bucks. hmm.

but yeah, mandatory=mandatory jail time if convicted. so, in my state, you can weasel out of it, in theory.
just like speeding tickets. almost 30 tickets to date, no convictions. go me.
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in como you can be caught over and over without being taken in, which is kind of cool.
although, in california, apparently it's a max fine of a hundred bucks. hmm.

but yeah, mandatory=mandatory jail time if convicted. so, in my state, you can weasel out of it, in theory.
just like speeding tickets. almost 30 tickets to date, no convictions. go me.
Yeah no mandatory is good. I don't smoke anymore. It just seems like MO doesnt care much lol.

I've never been caught with pot. Because I'm not an idiot. I would get as much as I was going to smoke at that 1 time, then use papers or rellos. No evidence, no paraphernillawafers, nothing.

Anyhow, back to the subject at hand. That is a very interesting map. Whats the tax stamp mean?
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wtf missouri. This state fails.
florida = fail

well there getting up there with the decrim soon it will come to FL prob going to be the last state.
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Whats the tax stamp mean?
Originally it was how they made it "illegal." You had to have a tax stamp on the bag to say that you paid your tax on your pot. However if you went to go apply for the stamp you couldn't get one and we're basically waving around a bag of pot in public incriminating yourself.

Now its just another way to add on extra time to your sentence. You wind up with possession and if your judge is a real dick tax evasion.

For more info go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marihuana_Tax_Act_of_1937
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Originally it was how they made it "illegal." You had to have a tax stamp on the bag to say that you paid your tax on your pot. However if you went to go apply for the stamp you couldn't get one and we're basically waving around a bag of pot in public incriminating yourself.

Now its just another way to add on extra time to your sentence. You wind up with possession and if your judge is a real dick tax evasion.

For more info go here: Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ah you see thats what I thought it meant but I figured that it was such an old law that it coundnt be it. Thanks for clarifying that.

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I really think the stop signs are supported by two things.

Not enough for a majority vote...

No way to identify a level of intoxication...

If enough people would support the decriminalization of Marijuana in their own states, then there MIGHT be a chance that the Federal Gov't would follow suite. The problem is that there will always be free loaders and the few that will continue to mess it up for the rest of us. When I think about a nation wide decriminalization, the first image I see, is that of a going out of business sale where everything is 80% off. The switch would be so dramatic. You would have a ton of first time users and abusers, mixed with the ones already abusing the substance. sadly, I feel the day will never come.

My dad once told me he was SURE that Marijuana would be legalized back in the 70's but at last, it never happened.

The other topic to discuss would be the "too high detector." Until someone comes up with a device that could quickly tell an arresting officer that the detained is "too high" we'll be faced with that road block as well.

My advice to all, be smart, don't abuse any substance and for the love of Christ, don't get in trouble high. You're fu*kin up the statistics!
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No way to identify a level of intoxication...
saliva testing is good for 24 hours.

i'm pretty confident the main reason we have no on-the-spot method of testing is because there is no current need for one.
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evan if it was Legal i still wouldent pay 50dollars tax on an ounce of weed i dont think any one would
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evan if it was Legal i still wouldent pay 50dollars tax on an ounce of weed i dont think any one would
an ounce of decent weed in the midwest is going to run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 while illegal. one would think it would drop substantially if legal. so it wouldn't really matter.
where are you getting $50/ounce anyway?
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an ounce of decent weed in the midwest is going to run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 while illegal. one would think it would drop substantially if legal. so it wouldn't really matter.
where are you getting $50/ounce anyway?
im not but they have stated that the tax on an ounce of weed will be 50-100 dollars plus what ever they charge per weight

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i already pay like 150 for an ounce
I think you mean "if you were to buy an ounce".
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[quote=BustedS13;3003588]an ounce of decent weed in the midwest is going to run you somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 while illegal. \quote]

i cant belive they would charge that much out midwest
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and are you serious i would never pay that much
okay, you need to stop talking about your illicit activities. it's this kind of shit that gets these threads locked.
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saliva testing is good for 24 hours.

i'm pretty confident the main reason we have no on-the-spot method of testing is because there is no current need for one.
I agree, but if the case was to be presented, I feel it would go over easier if there was a way.

I've heard of an ounce going for right at $100 but this is low of low. I really feel if it were legalized prices would drop dramatically and then the taxes wouldn't be that noticeable.
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:49 AM   #59
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oakland, ca already approved the marijuana business tax; a first in the entire nation



also i find this picture very interesting, no it does not have any pictures of weed


find out more information about marijuana and the law here; norml.org

this is very freaking cool! Its good to know your state law... I didnt know that the only thing that the cops can legaily do to you for having less than 25 grams (which i think is allot to be holding on you) is 100$ fine!!!! Thats fucking awsome!!!
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:44 AM   #60
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...No way to identify a level of intoxication...

...The other topic to discuss would be the "too high detector." Until someone comes up with a device that could quickly tell an arresting officer that the detained is "too high" we'll be faced with that road block as well...
My assumption would be there would be no need for a "too high detector". Logic would tell me they would treat it similar to driving while under the influence of a controlled substance or medications. Where it wouldn't matter if you smoked one joint or twelve, it impares you ability to think/react which can't really be measured numerically on the spot (blood tests would require you to be taken in etc), but rather gauged by a "sobriety" test. Now they do actually make breathalyzers that can detect the amount of a substance in somebodys system but they are specifically designed for only certain a substance ((ie. Not multiple uses)(marijuana not being one of them)). It would likely qualify as operating while impaired (OWI) or operating a vehicle under the influence (OVI) as opposed to a harsh DUI.
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