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Old 08-09-2019, 11:49 AM   #61
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theres still TONS of stuff you can get brand new for the S-Chassis. i suggest everyone who wants a new gas tank email Nissan via their website contact form and start requesting it. theyve been bringing A LOT of parts back from the dead lately... case in point, nissan FINALLY made a HUGE run of OEM S13 sun roof weather stripping. it was discontinued for over a decade. the ONLY way you could get it was to buy a new sun roof and that was $900. well, nissan got off their butts and made more.

im sure that a problem existing WORLD WIDE would get them off their asses to make more given the gas tank is a VERY important part of the car and without a sealed tank, no S14 or S15 will pass emissions. get enough people emailing about it, they will do something.
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This makes sense considering people are still buying used s chassis and they can't even sell their new line of cars
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theres still TONS of stuff you can get brand new for the S-Chassis. i suggest everyone who wants a new gas tank email Nissan via their website contact form and start requesting it. theyve been bringing A LOT of parts back from the dead lately... case in point, nissan FINALLY made a HUGE run of OEM S13 sun roof weather stripping. it was discontinued for over a decade. the ONLY way you could get it was to buy a new sun roof and that was $900. well, nissan got off their butts and made more.

im sure that a problem existing WORLD WIDE would get them off their asses to make more given the gas tank is a VERY important part of the car and without a sealed tank, no S14 or S15 will pass emissions. get enough people emailing about it, they will do something.
Very good suggestion, and apt comparison because this is basically s13 sunroof v2, ha!

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This makes sense considering people are still buying used s chassis and they can't even sell their new line of cars
Rofl. Best comment so far.
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Old 08-10-2019, 11:12 AM   #64
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I actually got a response from Nissan USA!

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Thank you for taking the time to contact Nissan North America. Your request is important to us. We apologize, however your request is outside the scope of Nissan North America Consumer Affairs.

Case # 36671602 has been created to document your request. If you have any additional concerns or comments, please feel free to email or contact us directly at 1-800-647-7261 (Option 7).


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im debating on calling them and hounding them a bit... especially since ive got a case number now.

i would highly recommend you S14 guys start bugging Nissan. its now evident they do actually read these reports.
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Somebody with a couple hours to kill should look up all the fuel tank dimensions for every car ever made and find one that is compatible.

There has to be one in something that will fit nicely. There just has to

fuel tank repair thread I found
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im debating on calling them and hounding them a bit... especially since ive got a case number now.

i would highly recommend you S14 guys start bugging Nissan. its now evident they do actually read these reports.
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theres still TONS of stuff you can get brand new for the S-Chassis. i suggest everyone who wants a new gas tank email Nissan via their website contact form and start requesting it. theyve been bringing A LOT of parts back from the dead lately...
allllriiiight!!! so excited.

im being sarcastic, because lately parts prices have gotten very unrealistic. nissan is not the only manufacturer to blame. to be honest, all the manufacturers have hiked prices up so much that its making build and/or restoring cars a fucking nightmare.

i really dont understand it nor do i think any manufacturer has justification in these price hikes. NISSAN motorsports in particular can eat a big bag of dicks for the way they've inflated all of their prices for JDM parts. not only do they not give you ANY lead time on how long these parts will take to arrive, then they rape you on pricing.

when this happens, i'm all in for (quality) aftermarket solutions.
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working on a source.

will update when I have results.

This is similar to the other thread about OEM genuine S13 Silvia fenders, let's see if any of the suppliers can come through on this.
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is anyone actually serious about buying brand new genuine OEM fuel tanks?

seems like I can order it, but 1) it's $550+, and 2) 180+ days out.

will order one to see if it actually comes in, but buyer beware.
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will order one to see if it actually comes in, but buyer beware.
Are you actually going to order one? Or did you mean you'd order one if someone wanted it.
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Are you actually going to order one? Or did you mean you'd order one if someone wanted it.
I ordered one to see if it can be fulfilled... meaning if I get it in 6 months, it may be same or higher price than what I was quoted because the lead time is so long.

6 months is enough time for the global economy to crash.
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I ordered one to see if it can be fulfilled... meaning if I get it in 6 months, it may be same or higher price than what I was quoted because the lead time is so long.

6 months is enough time for the global economy to crash.
Did you order it online or at the dealership? Mine just bit the dust tonight.

I'm sending my girlfriend to work Monday with the part number to see if the parts guys can give me any details on if any are left in the country and how may there may be, if any.


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im debating on calling them and hounding them a bit... especially since ive got a case number now.

i would highly recommend you S14 guys start bugging Nissan. its now evident they do actually read these reports.
I went ahead and sent in a customer affairs email. What's it going to hurt?

Oh yeah, still looking for the parts mentioned in my signature.....

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I'm not ordering it from any source within North America.
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I'm not ordering it from any source within North America.
I'm interested in the outcome of this. I'm sure you won't leak your source of the overseas parts? I've never ordered any parts from overseas vendors that didn't come from a site like eBay. I'd love to learn YAJ but that is a whole 'nother topic.

I just went and picked up a used tank from a local (2 hours away) yard that actually had a S14. It looks good with no staining indicating a fuel leak. I am going to use that tank while I plastic weld my original and give that one a go once more to see how it holds up.
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I'm interested in the outcome of this. I'm sure you won't leak your source of the overseas parts? I've never ordered any parts from overseas vendors that didn't come from a site like eBay. I'd love to learn YAJ but that is a whole 'nother topic.
I guess let me be more specific...

like the other thread about genuine S13 Silvia fenders, I'm ordering to see if it can be fulfilled. If it can, I'm stocking a few to resell.

There's really not a secret to this. If someone wants genuine parts, either 1) it's available via the proper channels in North America (or discontinued via that same channel), or 2) it's available in another territory overseas (or discontinued via that same channel). Parts inquiry are fairly straightforward, if it's not listed as EOL you can definitely order it, fulfillment is entirely another story.

Other regions may have parts makers producing them locally and sold as "genuine OEM Nissan", so for all intents and purposes it's identical to what you want (except it may be made in India or Malaysia or Chile or France)... but like I said, 6+ months wait.
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I guess let me be more specific...

like the other thread about genuine S13 Silvia fenders, I'm ordering to see if it can be fulfilled. If it can, I'm stocking a few to resell.

There's really not a secret to this. If someone wants genuine parts, either 1) it's available via the proper channels in North America (or discontinued via that same channel), or 2) it's available in another territory overseas (or discontinued via that same channel). Parts inquiry are fairly straightforward, if it's not listed as EOL you can definitely order it, fulfillment is entirely another story.

Other regions may have parts makers producing them locally and sold as "genuine OEM Nissan", so for all intents and purposes it's identical to what you want (except it may be made in India or Malaysia or Chile or France)... but like I said, 6+ months wait.
That's interesting.

I've worked the shop side of dealers for 12 years, and had plenty of times where the parts department said it was discontinued and no longer available to order since there was none in the U.S. When they tried to order, the next days report would show the part order cancelled (happened plenty of times with ordering MR2 parts).

If the part showed 'National Backorder' status then they could order it but like you said, it could be six+ months. I never had an overseas option. I wonder if that's a specific dealer thing? I've never had a dealer be able to order overseas.

At this point, I've owned this car 12 years so getting the new proper parts to keep it going and able to restore the thing a bit would be so nice. What's another 6+months after owning it this long?
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If the part showed 'National Backorder' status then they could order it but like you said, it could be six+ months. I never had an overseas option. I wonder if that's a specific dealer thing? I've never had a dealer be able to order overseas.
Ordering overseas means that I am trying to bring it in gray market.
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Nice! Try to bring me in a hood and right front fender! Keep us updated.
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Running into the exact same issue here in Europe on my S14 Silvia Q's:



Took the suspension apart for renovation/upgrades, and since my tank wasn't leaking yet I wanted to do the preventative measure of spacing out one of the straps and adding some foam padding. Unfortunately the above picture is what I've found the tank to look like.

After doing some research I was set on trying the method described in Kingtal0n's thread using the products from tb-bonding.com, unfortunately they do not ship out of the US/Canada and as apparently it's illegal to ship adhesives internationally this was not an option for me.

https://tbbonding.com/product/ptfe-patch/

I've found a company locally that sells a 2K adhesive that they say sticks to HDPE and PTFE, so what i'll try and do is dremel out the cracks, fill the groove with adhesive, stick a sheet of thin PTFE on it and then cover that with some rubber. Effectively recreating the PTFE tech-patch that tb-bonding sells. I'll make a thread to show the process once I've found out if it works as it might help out others with the same issue.
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Running into the exact same issue here in Europe on my S14 Silvia Q's:

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Took the suspension apart for renovation/upgrades, and since my tank wasn't leaking yet I wanted to do the preventative measure of spacing out one of the straps and adding some foam padding. Unfortunately the above picture is what I've found the tank to look like.

After doing some research I was set on trying the method described in Kingtal0n's thread using the products from tb-bonding.com, unfortunately they do not ship out of the US/Canada and as apparently it's illegal to ship adhesives internationally this was not an option for me.

https://tbbonding.com/product/ptfe-patch/

I've found a company locally that sells a 2K adhesive that they say sticks to HDPE and PTFE, so what i'll try and do is dremel out the cracks, fill the groove with adhesive, stick a sheet of thin PTFE on it and then cover that with some rubber. Effectively recreating the PTFE tech-patch that tb-bonding sells. I'll make a thread to show the process once I've found out if it works as it might help out others with the same issue.
Good luck! That's sketchy to find when you didn't know it was already damaged! Nice catch and sounds like a good plan of action.
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So I ordered the only glue that I could find "locally" that promised a good bond with LSE (low surface energy) materials.



In preparation I cleaned the whole tank with a powerwasher, and then used a dremel tool to gauge out the cracks in the tank as deep as I had the guts to go (as my tank was not leaking yet. So far so good I thought...




The glue had a very harsh chemical smell, which seemed promising to me as usually the worse it smells the better it works. Anyway, when applying the glue to the tank at first all seemed well, but then it started reacting with the HDPE and it bubbled up really bad. Also in my test setup, glueing two sheets of PTFE together, had more or less the same reaction and after 24h of drying it didn't hold at all.



So I'm scrapping the idea of trying to fix my tank. Luckily in my country a lot of R33's were parted out, and as I've come to find out the tank cracking issue is less of an issue here due our climate most of them are still intact. I found one cheap, so I'm picking it up soon to replace it with.

If anyone is still looking for an uncracked tank, I might be able to source one here for you in Europe. Send me a PB!
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I think the issue with your repair isn't the adhesive itself - an MMA (methylmethacrylate) adhesive like you used should be even better for plastic than a CA (cyanoacrylate aka superglue) based adhesive like the tech-bond - but that for that type of adhesive to work you'd need to have a patch/filler material pressed into the crack, just the way that stuff cures it won't work being filled into a butt joint. If anything the MMA is actually too reactive with the plastic to be used to "coat" a plastic repair the way you can with CA.

My guess is even though CA makes a weaker bond on plastic fuel tank materials than MMA, tech-bond supplies CA in their fuel tank patch kit because it's easier and safer to use and good enough for an unpressurized tank, and because like I said you can spread the viscous CA adhesive they supply over the finished patch as an "armor coat".

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so, not joking when i suggest this (and not sure if anyone has tried it) but has anyone used Testors plastic cement? i know this is model glue, however, its specifically formulated to work with plastics and the way the stuff works is that it eats into the plastic a bit and melts it together basically. i was trying to find (via Google) if it would stand up to gasoline, but couldnt get any search results for it.

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That stuff is basically just a mix of solvents and probably won't work on a fuel tank. I looked up the SDS, I think the MEK is the only ingredient that would react with HDPE.

https://www.rustoleum.com/MSDS/ENGLISH/281215.pdf

Might work but you'd still need a filler/patch material to fill a crack. I think I'd still go with the tech-bond system if I were to try anything.
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Thanks for chiming in both, I appreciate it. The description of the adhesive I used stated that a "gap of up to 4mm" can be filled using the stuff, so I assumed my method wouldn't cause any issues. Because I didn't want to rely on just filling the gauge with adhesive my plan was to imitate the Tech-Bond kit by gluing a sheet of PTFE over it once it had cured. Finding out the glue did not work with PTFE at all in my test setup I just didn't feel comfortable anymore chasing this solution, especially after finding out how plentiful "good" tanks apparently are on this side of the globe.
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