The 2020 Presidential Race

[deolio]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

2nd amendment rights

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by deolio

They're all moot if we can't own armed tanks, fighter jets, submarines, and fully stocked missile silos. Bump stocks and ar-15's aren't shit to people in power but a tool to divide us peasants.

Something we kind of agree on. Bin the NFA. If you can afford to defend yourself in a tank, cool. If you run people over in a tank then the cops should shoot you with an air-to-surface missile

[kingkilburn]

The founders fully intended us to have cannons and organize our own local fighting forces. It's clear that a certain segment doesn't appreciate a certain demographic of the population being well armed and organized, and another segment doesn't like anyone being well armed and organized.

[S14rebuild]

Cannons?, segments?...hmmmm

[kingkilburn]

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Except naw bruh. I SEE want your are typing but I "UNDERSTAND" what you are meaning.

You can dress it up however you want but your end goal is to eliminate personnel transportation and heard everyone into dense high-rise living conditions.

You'll use arguments of environmental protection, equality, efficiency, etc.

You are trying to make it a "Libertarian" argument by saying your relaxing regulations (zoning) and supporting businesses (subsidizing construction). Then when people's property values crash you'll use eminent domain to "free market aquire" their homes for more planned development.

That's simply Socialist Bullshit. Your fucking over people rights to private property to pander to those without property while helping increase the wealth gap with crony construction contracts.

By rezoning you are trying to strip people of their property protection and wealth. You're then giving our tax money to wealth investment development groups, much of which are owned by the Chinese today. Your plan is a massive wealth consolidation and step towards collectivism.

Corbic's idea of a nice home:

And your proposal....

Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!

My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.

My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.

What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.

You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.

Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.

Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Y'all got some ideas about leftists that are fear mongering bullshit to keep you engaged by the republican party and neocons. Neocons and neoliberals can both get fucked.

Imagine what changes in federal legislation when leftists and libertarian conservatives can agree than current gun control is bullshit and neither group cares for how "their party" is handling it.

Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Ay mami, you're breaking mi corazon!



My goal is keeping ICE cars on the road by moving low-income people who work low-paying jobs to those jobs.



My goal is letting low-income people keep more of that money in their pocket if they so wish, allowing them the option of getting an education, be it college or vocational training, or allowing them the option of moving to an area where they have advancement opportunities.



What you're not understanding is that I want low-income housing built in industrial zones, like run-down blocks in Vernon. I want low-income housing replacing a whole block of small, dilapidated houses off E Slauson. See that empty lot at the corner of Telegraph Rd and E Washington Blvd in Commerce? Put a 30-story apartment complex there for the people who work in Commerce and Vernon. Take a block on the outside of the Fashion District and put up a building.



You'd have to consider pedestrian infrastructure, parking for residents who still want to own cars, etc. It can't be half-assed, it needs to be thought through not only for now, but for 50 years from now. It needs green spaces and needs to be free from addicts ODing on benches.



Depending on how well you prepare, you might start reducing the need for 12-lane highways. You might need 10-lane highways, giving you the ability to put light rail in existing transit corridors.



Build in protections against predatory investment firms and international investors. Sit down, start with the idea, and start going through everything affected by that idea.



Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?



We need to be smart if we're trying to tackle complex problems. We need to think holistically, we need to involve people smarter than ourselves, we need to let scientists and data analysts actually help drive our decision-making.

I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Do you really think it's the American Dream to own a house you can barely afford an hour and a half away from where you work? Is it the American Dream to have two financed cars in the driveway and an 8'x8' square of front yard?

Absolutely. People want equity.

This idiot thinks people want to live in commie blocks like the rat utopia experiments. Just stop typing. Listen more. Youre out of touch af.

[kingkilburn]

No one wants to live in soviet apartment blocks. No one. Literally no one.

Neoliberals want you locked into a shitty mortgage so their banker buddies make more money. Neoconservatives only want the right people to qualify for the loans, because fuck browns and gays. Leftists want the constant housing bubble and real estate speculation squashed so that everyone can get into a home, because people deserve to live with dignity.

Que Corbic saying I said homeless people should be given mansions on 5th avenue.

[S14rebuild]

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Fear mongering= multiple candidates in the same party outright stating they will come for the citizen's firearms.....

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Candidates that didn't know what they were talking about and LOST. Fuck Beto. Dumbass should have run for senate again and shut up about it

https://youtu.be/3wczzXbzXOg

https://youtu.be/rNzur_RQe4k

So........

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Yea, def dont wanna see american cities filled with concrete crack motels..... shit is a sign of poverty and trash....

American dream- being able to provide for myself and family, and give my kids a better life then i have.

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.

Hopefully remote jobs will become a thing so the need for both commuting and proximity to the work place are eliminated. There is so much remote land in America where people can spread out.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by spooled240

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children so it CAN work on paper.. but we all know these complexes will be heavily regulated or even fully operated by the government which will then turn them into shit holes.

I could agree with this statement, cant say all but most...

I guess the american dream my generation grew up with is diffrent. Always thought ownership, land, my own peice of the american pie was sought after and the goal. Something to hand down generation to generation....hmmmmm cant see why someone would want different but to each their own

[kingkilburn]

Why do you guys think people want government operated housing rather than housing stipends and regulation adjustments? Literally no one wants to live in uncle sam's concrete bunkhouse. Fuck, man.

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for. This focus on the liberal commie boogie man is so fucking stupid and we never get to actual policy.

[kingkilburn]

It's maddening having to talk around ridiculous precanned talking points and vitriol before you ever have a chance to talk about policy and potential outcomes.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

We could have state banks offering revenue neutral federally subsidized home loans instead of federal handouts for private banks to hustle people on loans for houses they shouldn't qualify for.

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

Many millenials these days don't want cars, kids or a big house with a yard and a picket fence. They just want to be able to walk down to their local hipster establishment and have a few kombuchas with their dog-children

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

Bingo.

College Cost = Whatever Fannie/Freddy will give a dipshits in deferred loans.

This is why the schools sit on billions of cash, refuse to credit back living costs even though they sent everyone home and raise the pice every year.

Universities have the highest profit margin of any industry, over 50% profit.

They give back fuck all to thr communities, fucking leaches.

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Just means Millennials are a generation of shit stain soy-boy man children afraid to take on responsibility.

"oh no, I'd have to save to buy a house! Oh no I'd have to mow a yard and replace the water heater! Oh no! I have to have insurance on my car and like buy tires!!! Nooooo!"

Then they cry they can't afford to live because they took a 6 year tour at a state school on deferred loans with a degree in Critical Race Theory and can only find a part time job driving a truck.

They then bitch they can't afford to even rent in what is considered the highest cost of living city in the world - (San Francisco) , and blame white privilege, capitalism and Fascism while standing in line to buy their limited YezzyxJordanxSupremexNintendoSwitch drop kicks for $800.

Pack your shit and move to Kansas City and you can get a 4 bedroom house for $160k and a job working at the RailYard for $62k a year.

It's an entire generation of selfish spoiled people who constantly think they are oppressed because they don't have the even slightest clue what oppression is.

They have no desire for responsibility or for the future.

California, King of "Think of the Planet! Global Warming!"... is fucking covered in God damn trash. You cross the Arizona boarder and you don't even need a Welcome sign, you just see road side litter.

Go to LA and fucking TVs and Microwaves are just chilling at intersections. Random tires, busted car parts and fast food garbage everywhere. It's like an episode of Capitan Planet.

At least Detroit just looks like a warzone.

100% the truth....generations to come will be more fucked.

Cant imagine being 75 and witnessing this bullshit in full effect.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by spooled240

I agree with this as long as people won't be pressured or forced in some way to live in these apartment complexes in the city. I for one have lived in these human bee hives and can't stand them.

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

Millions upon millions of people live in apartment buildings. I'm not suggesting the creation of fucking gulags, I'm suggesting that Americans need to get used to the fact that a housing shortage, environmental concerns, and uneven distribution of wealth means we need to reconsider how we live. Just because we have wide open spaces doesn't mean we need to fill them with cookie cutter houses filled with cookie cutter people working cookie cutter jobs until they can retire and take a vacation to fucking Cancun every year.

A three-bedroom house with three generations living in it and having to drive miles to get fresh groceries versus three single-family apartments that take up the same footprint but have access to fresh groceries within walking distance? I'd take the latter every single time.

If you can't build out, you have no choice but to build up.

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?

How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?

I'm outta touch? Bite me.

[kingkilburn]

Originally Posted by spooled240

So like, student loans but for houses? Who is setting prices for the houses? Gov-assisted loans don't do anything except enable the selling entities to price-hike their product with the assumption that the fed(taxpayers) will cover it. This is how colleges are able to charge 100k for a degree in art to 18 year olds so the President of the University can make 500k/year.

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want. State banks take in local taxes before they go into government spending and grow it through investment. What sounder investment can a state bank make for its citizens than in helping create more property tax paying households?

The elite are pushing policy like this to pay for their private jets and country clubs. We should be using this model across the board, if it works so well.

"It would never work" I hear you say. But what if it did?
"It'll never pass" I hear you say. But what if it did?

We need more people paying income and property taxes and we need to get there by kick starting the economy from the bottom up for once. The constant quantitative easing hasn't done it.

[spooled240]

Hard to believe some of these kids today are descendants of the kids who were fighting the Nazi's 75 years ago. Last year I met a WW2 veteran who by the age of 25 already flew numerous sorties in a P-51D Mustang having once ditched in the English channel after suffering engine problems and being one of the few who successfully shot down a German ME262 fighter jet. The amount of bravery and sense of duty these men possessed to fight actual oppression is unfathomable. But like, we need to sue McDonald's because they made me fat when I had little self control from eating their french fries on a daily basis.

[kingkilburn]

P.S.
Millennials are the most productive generation of Americans by far. No butts or caveats. There's mountains of data and research on this. It's been known for years. No one has worked harder or generated more wealth, period.

[S14rebuild]

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Corbic, how the fuck are you going to save up to buy a house when you have $8.61 left over after every paycheck and you end up having to spend $500 a year in maintenance on your car, putting you -$400 on December 31? You gonna bootstrap your way up the corporate ladder when you grew up behind the eight ball, undernourished, undereducated, without the Internet, and with parents who grew up in the same poverty cycle they brought you into?



How are you going to get to Kansas on a donut spare in a car that drinks coolant and with an overdrawn bank account? Hard work? Handies in truck stop bathrooms?



I'm outta touch? Bite me.

Wow, sounds like a bunch of made up problems that could be easily overcome if you actually wanted too.

Americans, under nourished? Surreee, the only "hungry" kids are victims of child abuse and we have all sorts of programs in place to fix that. That's an extreme outlier . Might as well talk about the blind and deaf dwarf.

Undereducated? Where in the US do we not have free public education?? If your fault I'd you don't learn shit.

Without Internet? Prior to 2005, nobody had fucking "internet" .

Poor Parents? And what? Bad news bruh, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I've owned two houses now. Bought my first with $8k down at $85k when I was making $40,000 a year.

Broke car, wanna get to Kansas, got no friends?

Sell the POS and all your shit for $2,500 and buy a bus ticket for $600. You got $1,900 now and can crash at the local motel cockroach for $300/M, ramen is $1/day. You got two months to find some part time work and a place to rent.

Work your way up.

https://youtu.be/UKfmRhfuI8g

^ when I wanted to save up to travel or for car parts, I've literally done exactly that 6 times now (6 months total) because my normal eating out habits can easily run $20/day average. Boom damn near $4k for free.

Make the short term hard sacrifices for the long term gains.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Most productive as how? Gross earning? Technology advances? National trade growth?

Likely the same idiotic Metric that shows France is more productive then China.

Output / Manpower = Productivity.

Reality is technically and automation is the driving factor.

1950 you needed 1,500 AP Clerks to process invoices and payments at GM.

Today, with ERP systems and EDI payments, you need 100 AP Clerks.

OMFG 100 Millennials do the work of 1500 Boomers!!!!

[S14rebuild]

guy pulled up to me at a light, yelled fuk u fa**ots at me and my son, hope yall get deported... all because of my trump flag on my truck. Im confussed lmao

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

My family lived in a small apartment block over a hotel in Munich, and my friends at the time all lived in apartments. Everyone was happy and we were all within walking distance of public transport and shopping.

it was so awesome you moved out and bought a house? lol

Originally Posted by kingkilburn

You Are Not Listening.

I specifically called out federally subsidized predatory loans as fucking bad, mkay.

State banks(like North Dakota) giving out federally subsidized and overall revenue neutral(assuming you make your payments) home loans AND housing stipends based on income and zipcode, that's what I want.

I think all this will do will just increase the prices for everything incrementally. That's just how the market is. Affordability goes up and so do all the prices. It's happening right now with the recent decrease in interest rates..