STL Riots

[STL240SXDRIFT]

Wondering how many people on here are watching this and if anyone is listening to the scanners tonight...its getting heavy. Armed groups walking down the street, multiple shots fired, looting every night, curfew enforced...

Download "Scanner radio" app and tune into St. Louis County Police Dispatch - 1st Pct. and get a real picture of whats going on...

Whats your opinions and what you have seen or heard

[Matej]

This fellow sums it up quite well:
http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/08/...ack-community/

[Bushido]

[STL240SXDRIFT]

Yes Ferguson, which is St. Louis County

[feito]

If all the clips from this video are real, it's a pretty messed up situation:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e25_1408413667
And even if not all them are, this has gone too far. Looting and rioting is not necessary, all these people are just using it the situation as an excuse. Cops "mistakenly" kill innocent and not so innocent people all the time, but god forbids that person happens to be black because all hell breaks loose...
Last year a local college student was wrongfully shot and killed by a campus police officer. He was white. And guess what? Yupp, no rioting nor looting.
They need to be stopped, and they are asking for more force.

[J3123MY]

I read someone's comment on youtube about how in the long run this rioting is a good thing for America. Now I do not quite completely agree, but I understand his point.

Civil unrest is part of our duty, believe it or not. The government has been fucking everyone for way too long. By causing "chaos" from their actions, Ferguson demonstrated that they will not take government bull shit. However, I understand that this was essentially selfishly motivated to come up from looting.

But this reaction, I believe is better than none. It demonstrates to the government that people are still not afraid to stand up. If you anger the community, there will be a reaction. Reminds the police to think carefully about just wasting someone. Reminds the government to remember who their true boss is.

And feito, is it a good thing that a local college student was wrongfully shot and killed by a campus police officer and to not have a reaction?

Imagine if every time an innocent person was shot by the pigs and there was no reaction to it? They would think it is perfectly ok to go around killing people because people won't do anything.

I would definitely rather there be rioting, chaos, and looting than no reaction at all. That in the long run is better for America.

Of course, rioting could probably be done without looting. But I mean, if your a business owner, buy yourself a gun and shoot some fuckers trying to loot you. That will definitely make them think twice about hitting your store.

[stevenrapids]

Ya, and once the store owner shoots someone trying to loot from his/her store it turns into "unarmed man shot" bs all over the media. Its all a load of bull shit.

[Bushido]

another dude was shot and killed last night by police.

doesn't look like it's coolin down over there anytime soon...

pretty fucked up that police are targeting the press too.

[spools420a]

They need to get over the bullshit that cops are after black americans gimmie a break,This is why people are racist and its kinda hard not to be when you see these jackasses looting and destroying there own shit because a guy decided to strong arm rob a store and got killed.

they just use it as an excuse to start drama.People need to relise that mistakes are made and not to go on a rampage over one stupid incodent.

[YOSHIKOUKI]

the cop that killed him had no clue of him robbing that store and does stealing deserve for him to be shot 6 times and killed. He should've been arrest and let the justice system take over from there. Police are not employed to kill people ,theyre here to protect and serve, killing a person no matter what they've done is unacceptable thats why we have the justice system

[STL240SXDRIFT]

^ The cop was punched in the face by Mike Brown rupturing his eye socket before he got out of the car, they say...kid ran then turned around back at cop to charge him, then cop fired 6 rounds. Don't quote me for facts, this is just what I am reading...no one will really know until witnesses come forward.

Something that bothers me is that Ferguson PD has dash cams for all their cars...still in the box...at the station. They were never installed...idiots.

[YOSHIKOUKI]

Now I totally agree that this dude was a punk thug trynna be tough but no matter what he definitely didn't deserve to die he shouldve been arrested and thrown in jail not shot 6 times...from the autopsy report it says that these shots were not from close range but from far....He was shot from behind and also from the front but like u said we won't know until witnesses come forward and confirm the officers story...yeah they definitely shouldve had those cameras installed smh smh

[stevenrapids]

Looting/rioting makes us look like a bunch of uncivilized fools. Everything turns into a race issue way too fast. If Mike Brown would have killed the cop what would have happened? it probably wouldnt have made it past the local news. Put yourself in law enforcements shoes and tell me you wouldnt fire if you felt your life was in danger.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by Bushido

fucked up that police are targeting the press too.

Some of the members of the press are there breaking the imposed curfew along with the rioters and instigating ill will just so they have exciting news to cover.

[YOSHIKOUKI]

Originally Posted by stevenrapids

Looting/rioting makes us look like a bunch of uncivilized fools. Everything turns into a race issue way too fast. If Mike Brown would have killed the cop what would have happened? it probably wouldnt have made it past the local news. Put yourself in law enforcements shoes and tell me you wouldnt fire if you felt your life was in danger.

Yeah I agree we definitely shouldn't be rioting n looting smh but protest is a good thing but I really don't think it's about race it's about these cops shooting to kill people r fed up...just like the two black cops n NY that beat a man and people are outraged by it and want the police to stop harassing people over BS I should be able to walk drive jog ride my bike without being harassed because I "LOOK" a certain way...and they're trained to protect themselves yes and they should when in "danger" there's no way an unarmed teenager can make a grown man feel that scared for his life to where he has to shoot him six times n kill him...He didn't have to kill him is all I'm saying

[Kuma]

Originally Posted by J3123MY

But I mean, if your a business owner, buy yourself a gun and shoot some fuckers trying to loot you. That will definitely make them think twice about hitting your store.

That is a terrible idea. If you're a business owner, purchase insurance. When a mob of angry looting rioters start destroying your business, GTFO with your life and collect insurance. Even if you have extensive firepower, you can easily be overwhelmed by a large enough mob. Not to mention those who will come for revenge for their fallen loved ones. It's not like it's your home...

[J3123MY]

Originally Posted by Kuma

That is a terrible idea. If you're a business owner, purchase insurance. When a mob of angry looting rioters start destroying your business, GTFO with your life and collect insurance. Even if you have extensive firepower, you can easily be overwhelmed by a large enough mob. Not to mention those who will come for revenge for their fallen loved ones. It's not like it's your home...

LOL. Ever heard of the Koreans during the LA Riots?

So its a terrible idea to protect whats yours? Sure its dangerous, or you could just be a bitch and get looted. I don't know about you, but if I was in the situation, I would stay and protect my store, which I am legally allowed to, that I put blood,sweat, and tears in.

You seriously think that a large mob, that has to single file through your door, is down for the people in front to get mowed down? Fuck no. You shoot several of them and they will not visit your store again.

[theronin]

I think it's easy to play keyboard warrior and cop when you aren't in the situation. Noone of us know exactly how it went down, and we may never know. I hope that justice is done and people find closure in all of this. Mistakes were probably made by both sides, well because we are all human and we do make mistakes.

[TMW]

Originally Posted by theronin

Noone of us know exactly how it went down, and we may never know.

exactly...

but even though we're not totally sure what happened with brown, the problem is the police have way too much power. im sure all of you that have been following whats going on in ferguson have seen everything about the 'militarization of the police'. theyre driving around in armored cars with mounted turrets...



they can pretty much get away with anything they want nowadays. so i think its good that there is some reaction to an incident like this and that were all talking about it now. im not justifying looting or saying its the right way of going about it, im just saying it shouldn't be such a normal and mundane thing when the police shoot and kill someone who's unarmed that nothing is done about it.

[theronin]

What about when the rioters shot a civilian, and the police went in under fire to rescue and treat them? Normal cop cars wouldn't be able to take much direct fire. What happens if it's found that Mike Brown did assault and beat the cop, and shooting him was completely justified? People scream for the cops head on a platter while in the next breath say that Mike Brown was innocent until proven guilty...

[YOSHIKOUKI]

^^^^^ smh smh they're geared up as if they're about to go to war smh although I don't condone the rioting n looting cus really that shit ain't got nothing to do with Mike brown at this point...but ur right the police have way to much power and they exercise that power on a daily basis especially here in Cali

[YOSHIKOUKI]

Originally Posted by theronin

What about when the rioters shot a civilian, and the police went in under fire to rescue and treat them? Normal cop cars wouldn't be able to take much direct fire. What happens if it's found that Mike Brown did assault and beat the cop, and shooting him was completely justified? People scream for the cops head on a platter while in the next breath say that Mike Brown was innocent until proven guilty...

Even if he did assault him it doesn't deserve for him to be SHOT 6 TIMES and killed, use a tazer, shoot him n the leg I mean the kid was unarmed n probably did take a swing but that officer is a trained specialist on how to apprehend criminals without killing them, especially unarmed and if he can't use his training to resolve the situation without having to kill...he/she needs to find a new job

[TMW]

Originally Posted by theronin

What about when the rioters shot a civilian, and the police went in under fire to rescue and treat them? Normal cop cars wouldn't be able to take much direct fire.

i havent read or heard about this. do you have a link to the story? would like to read.

Originally Posted by theronin

What happens if it's found that Mike Brown did assault and beat the cop, and shooting him was completely justified? People scream for the cops head on a platter while in the next breath say that Mike Brown was innocent until proven guilty...

thats why i quoted your previous post and agreed... we're not totally sure what happened and what prompted him to shoot him SIX times.

and the reason why people are angry at the officer and want it to be a criminal investigation is because these kinds of incidents seem to be getting more and more common with absolutely no accountability or repercussions for their actions. cops should be held to a higher standard. they're public servants that are paid by the tax payer. the penalties for doing anything to a police officer are way more severe than if the same crime were done to a normal citizen.

if someone were to ever shoot a police officer six times with no arrest/criminal investigation being done afterwards, im sure it would be just as big of a deal...

seriously, do you think if michael brown shot the police officer six times because he was allegedly assaulting him you would be saying "well maybe we'll find out the police officer had it coming to him and everything was totally justified" no... and brown would be serving life

[theronin]

Originally Posted by TMW

i havent read or heard about this. do you have a link to the story? would like to read.



thats why i quoted your previous post and agreed... we're not totally sure what happened and what prompted him to shoot him SIX times.

and the reason why people are angry at the officer and want it to be a criminal investigation is because these kinds of incidents seem to be getting more and more common with absolutely no accountability or repercussions for their actions. cops should be held to a higher standard. they're public servants that are paid by the tax payer. the penalties for doing anything to a police officer are way more severe than if the same crime were done to a normal citizen.

if someone were to ever shoot a police officer six times with no arrest/criminal investigation being done afterwards, im sure it would be just as big of a deal...

seriously, do you think if michael brown shot the police officer six times because he was allegedly assaulting him you would be saying "well maybe we'll find out the police officer had it coming to him and everything was totally justified" no... and brown would be serving life

It was in an on scene interview with the newly appointed chief of police. No surprise it isn't widely known, that would go against oh so many agendas

[Kuma]

Originally Posted by J3123MY

LOL. Ever heard of the Koreans during the LA Riots?

So its a terrible idea to protect whats yours? Sure its dangerous, or you could just be a bitch and get looted. I don't know about you, but if I was in the situation, I would stay and protect my store, which I am legally allowed to, that I put blood,sweat, and tears in.

You seriously think that a large mob, that has to single file through your door, is down for the people in front to get mowed down? Fuck no. You shoot several of them and they will not visit your store again.

The LA riots were a special circumstance. the Koreans fought together... and their stores still got fucked up. You as a lone shop owner would not fair the same. Let's say you fended them off. You better pack up and move because even after the riot, you would not be safe. They wouldn't just forget about you killing their family members. People with that mindset would say their brother, sister, son, daughter, etc was justified in rioting... but you the racist shop owner killed them...

[feito]

Originally Posted by J3123MY

I read someone's comment on youtube about how in the long run this rioting is a good thing for America. Now I do not quite completely agree, but I understand his point.

Civil unrest is part of our duty, believe it or not. The government has been fucking everyone for way too long. By causing "chaos" from their actions, Ferguson demonstrated that they will not take government bull shit. However, I understand that this was essentially selfishly motivated to come up from looting.

But this reaction, I believe is better than none. It demonstrates to the government that people are still not afraid to stand up. If you anger the community, there will be a reaction. Reminds the police to think carefully about just wasting someone. Reminds the government to remember who their true boss is.

And feito, is it a good thing that a local college student was wrongfully shot and killed by a campus police officer and to not have a reaction?

Imagine if every time an innocent person was shot by the pigs and there was no reaction to it? They would think it is perfectly ok to go around killing people because people won't do anything.

I would definitely rather there be rioting, chaos, and looting than no reaction at all. That in the long run is better for America.

Of course, rioting could probably be done without looting. But I mean, if your a business owner, buy yourself a gun and shoot some fuckers trying to loot you. That will definitely make them think twice about hitting your store.

I guess you are right in a way. It aint right for us not to do anything when an innocent civilian gets shot by the police, especially when it keeps happening. But, if you are pissed at the police or your authorities, why dont you go after them then? Go break into the city hall and the police stations and shi+

Originally Posted by J3123MY

LOL. Ever heard of the Koreans during the LA Riots?

So its a terrible idea to protect whats yours? Sure its dangerous, or you could just be a bitch and get looted. I don't know about you, but if I was in the situation, I would stay and protect my store, which I am legally allowed to, that I put blood,sweat, and tears in.

You seriously think that a large mob, that has to single file through your door, is down for the people in front to get mowed down? Fuck no. You shoot several of them and they will not visit your store again.

You see, even if for any reason I could stop them/scare them off on my own, maybe by killing a few and somehow the rest of them decide to back off, they will eventually come back, and they will hunt you at your house or wherever they can find you because like someone else said, that's their mentality, eventhou they know they're on the wrong they'll sick revenge. And you know what the difference between these kind of people (NOTE: kind, not race) and us is? These people are not afraid of prison, in their mentality they'll do a few years like doing college, and they'll come out being better criminals.

[zeitgeist]

Pointing fully automatic weapons is a very bad idea. You want to win the population not make them hate you even more
we only learned this after 15 years in afghanistan

I'm glad these protests and rioting are happening. Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces. Police need to start being held accountable, and trained not to use deadly force as the first option. They do it because it's easy to get away with

And where's the NRA/OpenCarry/Tea Party militias? Isn't this the exact scenario theyve been preaching about for years? I know why

[STL240SXDRIFT]

People have been protecting their stores in Ferguson like this

[theronin]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Pointing fully automatic weapons is a very bad idea. You want to win the population not make them hate you even more
we only learned this after 15 years in afghanistan

I'm glad these protests and rioting are happening. Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces. Police need to start being held accountable, and trained not to use deadly force as the first option. They do it because it's easy to get away with

And where's the NRA/OpenCarry/Tea Party militias? Isn't this the exact scenario theyve been preaching about for years? I know why

You wouldn't be glad these riots were happening if they were in your town.

[Matej]

Originally Posted by zeitgeist

Unfortunate this kid had to die to wake up the nation on the militarization police forces.

The guy was some scumbag hooligan wannabe thug and I am pretty sure the officer did not just decide to shoot him for no reason. Bet all the individuals painting Michael Brown as a saint are the same people who would think twice about sitting next to him on public transportation late at night.
I am against the police as much as the next law-abiding resident, but this is not the right incident to rally behind.