percentage of people who prefer ka24de(t) to the sr20det

[illvialuver]

I know this may seem like beating a dead horse, but I need know this percentage to see the interest in ka24de(t) parts.

If major Japanese tuning companies produced ka24de(t) parts would you build a ka-t instead of an swapping in a sr20?

This poll is for people who are only interested in ka24det or the sr20det, if you want to put in an la or a rb, or 2j or whatever I just need information for the interest in quality engine tuning products for the ka24de

[illvialuver]

I'm sorry I forgot to leave a option for have had ka24det, want and plan to build a ka24det.

I also forgot to mention the option of I had an sr20 but I want a ka and vice versa.

Please your comments and thoughts, on why you want to build one, or what your reasons are for not wanting an sr.

Please leave vulgar or immature comments out of this.

Acceptable comments, are sr20det engines are illegal.

Or I prefer bucket over shim, more displacement,ect.

[illvialuver]

I just think that you would see so much more ka24det if companies like hks/greddy/tomei whoever makes the best and most common sr20det parts in Japan, made parts for the ka24de as well, especially when it is the motor that comes with our cars here and is not illegal.

[yvang07]

I love my KA because of the fact that there ARE companies that make parts specifically for this motor now. If you blow it up you could source another easily, A good friend has one that has over 500whp, Reliable as hell

[Akito86]

4age baiiibe with Carbs! Chauu

[smithrcing17]

if i could vote twice id chose the first and last category, i had a fully built ka motor, looked everywhere for parts, nothing was really clear, does this downpipe fit with this turbo? do i need a top mount or bottom mount, and then if i did get either of them who even makes a downpipe? is it going to clear my floor board? what intercooler kit should i buy? .... all of two options between like isis and greddy and at the time isis didnt even make their ka kit yet so i was kinda stuck between crazy expensive and ebay shit.. this is why i went with an sr, parts everywhere, sold my built ka setup for way more then what an sr cost and got a whole load of parts on top of that.. looking back if i knew what i knew now and had the resourses that i do now i prolly would stay with the ka since i already had a built block i could have fabricated all my own parts. but for the normal person who just bought a stock/semi stock 240, the amount of money they would spend building their motor, sourcing all the ka-t parts together would be double what an sr swap costs, i mean jei has complete srs for like 2350. if you have the least bit of motor skills you can swap a motor

[Biggamehit]

I was a proud owner of a very productive KA-T using it for drifting auto-x and occasional drag racing. I had a low end setup that was useful only putting down 204hp 208tq but I was on a budget and had fun with it.

I built it because well I didn't have money for the SR and honestly didn't want to get it just because. Around the time I did it 2006 JGS started carried manifold kits that you could build. I now live in Japan and own SR powered cars I have come to respect the engine but... I would never buy one to put inside a s13 should I ever live in America again. It comes down to preference and what the owner if capable of. Some people just cant build a proper turbo car and for them PnP might be the better cheaper option over all.

[illvialuver]

I can understand that. But the question I pose, is if the market for [B]aftermarket parts were equal in choices[B] and if you lived in the United States and drove a s13/s14
which would you choose.

[Kenzo]

I have a CA18DET and wish there was more support for it,

[Okinawandrifter87]

Originally Posted by Akito86

4age baiiibe with Carbs! Chauu

Originally Posted by Kenzo

I have a CA18DET and wish there was more support for it,

Seriously, if you have nothing productive to add to this thread or on topic, then get out. None of those motors were options. The OP is asking for opinions to possibly help us out and get more options opened up for us.

OP, I love the SR, however, if there were more products as there is available for the sr that you wouldnt have to go custom for I probably would do KA.

[illvialuver]

Thanks for the support. I really just need to get a feel for what the actual headcount is of people who would run the ka if there was more aftermarket support.

This information will be very helpful. I am not at liberty to say what I am up to or who I work for, but as far as you know, people are not willing to put money into developing things without the statistics to back up their investment.

I am trying to get the information to help people develop parts to further our community.

I appreciate everyones time.

[Okinawandrifter87]

I knew it

[brizanden]

ill always rock a ka over sr anyday if im staying 4 cylinder.
more availability cheaper etc etc
so yes it would be nice to have more off the shelf nice aftermarket pieces, but i do like that most ka-ters are a lil more knowledgable if they did build their own setup cause we have to hunt thro piles of info and figure out setups as someone else said as opposed to just dropping in a turbo motor with its stock pieces.

[Edwin562]

Im a former Ka-t, but i did go the dark side... for me its the same other than the Kat i felt more a raw power and the sr as smooth power... i stayed with my sr.... sorry guys..

[illvialuver]

no reason to be sorry, I remember the early days when I had a ka-t like 4 years ago, and guys would flock to my car at a meet when they heard it was turbo, then I pop my hood and they were like " oh its a ka, whatever shoulda got an sr" now it seems like it is almost 50 -50

[Kuma]

I plan on going KA-t. Not really worried about it being hard to find parts... I'm pretty good at that, and have good friends that are skilled fabricators. If I ever swap engines it will be another KA or a V8.

[xh3nry]

I honestly think people prefer the sr because it's the easier route. Basically just dropping it in, as opposed to having to change compression and buying many parts via the kadet

[PureRush]

I had a ka-t s13 but It sucks how hard it is to find the parts that will actually fit. You have to either go ebay or go broke.

[illvialuver]

Xhenry-

Yeah you can drop in a sr and call it a day, but the bottom line is the motor is illegal, so that is a big factor for me when considering a engine for a street car. The ka doesn't need compression changed, it only suffers from weak ring seats, and most people who run ka-t run a semi shady re-tuned ecu, now if they had a proper stand alone and equal tuning like the sr, there wouldn't be many problems.

Then when you think of cost, you could have a built ka block and head for the cost of a bone stock sr.

I would like to mention that this thread/ poll is not to debate which is better, but to find out the percentage of people who would be interested in aftermarket ka24 parts made by reputable companies from Japan who already are famous for manufacturing parts for the sr20.

[xh3nry]

Originally Posted by illvialuver

Xhenry-

Yeah you can drop in a sr and call it a day, but the bottom line is the motor is illegal, so that is a big factor for me when considering a engine for a street car. The ka doesn't need compression changed, it only suffers from weak ring seats, and most people who run ka-t run a semi shady re-tuned ecu, now if they had a proper stand alone and equal tuning like the sr, there wouldn't be many problems.

Then when you think of cost, you could have a built ka block and head for the cost of a bone stock sr.

I would like to mention that this thread/ poll is not to debate which is better, but to find out the percentage of people who would be interested in aftermarket ka24 parts made by reputable companies from Japan who already are famous for manufacturing parts for the sr20.

Well technically, ka-t is illegal too because it won't be able to pass smog. It would be cool to have the kat parts more readily available and at a more affordable price though. I think people would really enjoy building their own engine themself rather than swapping a motor. Its just the experience is pretty cool, you know. What i'm trying to say is that people would be less intimidated to go with the kat route.

[BossHogg]

Originally Posted by xh3nry

Well technically, ka-t is illegal too because it won't be able to pass smog. It would be cool to have the kat parts more readily available and at a more affordable price though. I think people would really enjoy building their own engine themself rather than swapping a motor. Its just the experience is pretty cool, you know. What i'm trying to say is that people would be less intimidated to go with the kat route.

not all places have smog. Especially if your car is OBD 1 or older. So that shit doesn't matter at all. s14 guys might have a problem depending on your area of living.

[mmmS13]

Ka-T for me. I've ridden in 2 SR'd cars and driven 1. They are really smooth throughout the powerband, but I love the tq of my KA. Parts aren't too expensive and there are so many people that have gone SR that KA blocks go pretty cheap. Also, my KA has 230k miles on it and im making around 300whp. Its not really that fast but it is reliable power, hell I drove it 3k miles on a road trip.

[MadScientist]

I have built several engines, and as for 4 baggers go, the 4G63 is a beast! The only engine that comes close to it is the SR2?DET!

SR2?DET v:s KA2?DET
Yeah the KA has that butt dyno feel, but its not reliable, not built to hold boost, Long Stroke, Distributor, Truck Transmission, etc...and it will cost alot to fix these issues. Its also ugly, design and engineering wise! The SR is so much easier to play with and responds well to small bolt ons. Its easier to build a SR close to 400hp than a KA!!

Yes you will need to drop 2-3k on a SR to start, where you will also need to drop 2-3k on building a KAs internals. Its a toss up, and personal preference. Most people will start with KA(s), and quickly learn SRs are easier. Yes the SR is harder (more expensive) to get than KA, but its alot less likely to blow up. Yes you can blow up any engine and buying used engines from Japan is just as much a coin toss as buying an engine from any junk yard.

If your going to push limits, build it past those limits.
My SR is build and capable of supporting 1000hp, however the the supporting parts are set to the HP goal I want.
Start with Mantinance mods before getting into power mods always!!
Its sad how many people blow engines and didn't do a single supporting or mantinance mod.

[Crondy]

I would like to mention that this thread/ poll is not to debate which is better, but to find out the percentage of people who would be interested in aftermarket ka24 parts made by reputable companies from Japan who already are famous for manufacturing parts for the sr20. [/QUOTE]

yes

[Gold Zenki]

i freaking lovee my ka!!! most people that dissagree with them, give up on them simply because they cant build one worth a crap so rather go with something thats already put together.. also may i add, do u like torque? i have yet to ride in anything SR powered that pulls like a KA

[illvialuver]

yes but the difference between being an illigal ka-t and an illegal sr is that with the ka, you simply swap the manifolds/ put on your stock exhuast system and injectors and ecu and you can pass inspection, you dont have to pull the whole motor. plus the sr doesnt look like the stock motor, the ka does.

[jpbpoway]

Originally Posted by illvialuver

yes but the difference between being an illigal ka-t and an illegal sr is that with the ka, you simply swap the manifolds/ put on your stock exhuast system and injectors and ecu and you can pass inspection, you dont have to pull the whole motor. plus the sr doesnt look like the stock motor, the ka does.

As a resident in CA this is exactly what I had in mind when it came time to smog. Now I'm currently in the middle of gathering parts for my turbo build after spending a year to rebuild the block itself with forged pistons, rods, and new valvetrain. Don't see what the fuss is about aftermarket availability between sr and ka, I found plenty of options with the ka. Maybe it's just the timing of when I got into the ka-t game that availability of parts is better than it was say 5 years ago >.>

[Okinawandrifter87]

Now I don't know if your at liberty to discuss or even shed light on this OP however, when your talking about KA24det parts are you just referring to engine parts alone or does that include tuning parts?

[AdamR]

Why would I want overpriced JDM garbage for my KA?

[Okinawandrifter87]

^^ AdamR , seriously? If you have nothing productive to add to this thread or on topic, then get out. If you want parts for your KA then say something along those lines. If you don't want any overpriced items but want stuff for the KA then figure out how to use your adult big boy words and re word it like " Yeah I would love Ka-t parts however I just don't want the jdm fan boi pricetag with it" So that way the OP knows there is a market out there but just due to pricing it may vary. If not then do not bother wasting your time posting in the thread if you have nothing useful.