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chiboy002 · 02-05-2012, 02:43 PM

naw i love the sunny's

im asking if diamongback/ling longs/triangles are good

KA240SX808 · 02-05-2012, 05:49 PM

From what I hear yes. There mostly long lasting tires. So if your looking for more grip I'd look the other way.

!Zar! · 02-05-2012, 10:03 PM

I love dz101's in rear.

KA240SX808 · 02-05-2012, 10:40 PM

My Pockets dream about 101's. Had a used set and they were nice.

pacotaco345 · 02-05-2012, 11:27 PM

How many sets (of rears) do you guys go through in a day usually?

chiboy002 · 02-06-2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA240SX808

From what I hear yes. There mostly long lasting tires. So if your looking for more grip I'd look the other way.

im looking for balance hah
i'm gonna be trying out Kenda tires, anyone ever used em?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pacotaco345

How many sets (of rears) do you guys go through in a day usually?

at our track i go through 1 pair, but the lap time is minimal compared to wait time
about 10am-3:30pm drifting kills 1 pair (can still flip)

!Zar! · 02-06-2012, 01:46 PM

Tire life depends on power output, length of lap, compound, track surface, pressure, and how long you hot lap for, and weight.

fckillerbee · 02-06-2012, 03:02 PM

in the KA...about 2 sets of rears at balcony. 3 if it's on HTM.

chiboy002 · 02-06-2012, 09:46 PM

as well as how you drive

if you just drift corners not trying to connect your tires are gonna last forever

Z33dori · 02-06-2012, 10:03 PM

why is my car so grippy

SET UP:
-3.5 rear , -2.5 front camber
0 toe all around
6.5 caster
welded
sr w/ dying t28
rear tire 225/45-245/40 17s

even in the rain i have to clutch kick to get the rear out, then mash on it or else it just grips right back up. So you can imagine the amount of grip i feel in the dry

95KA-Turbo · 02-06-2012, 10:59 PM

How's your clutch and how bad is your T28 dying? Also, have you tried 215/45s? When I had my SR and -2.5º of camber and 0 toe that's what I ran. I ran 225/45s once and I could spin them, it just wasn't as easy....although in the rain it didn't matter at all.

I mean, in the rain you should be able to kick out a KA with 245/40s no problem. Are you 110% sure your toe is 0 all around?

KA240SX808 · 02-07-2012, 04:58 AM

What kind of Tires and psi?
Perhaps it may quite be dead already?

conrad_s13.5 · 02-07-2012, 08:01 AM

^yeah,. maybe try to bump up the pressure

ur camber is a little backwards too,......buuuuuuuut,. the way it is should be able to spin a little easier....lol

even with a dead turbo, a sr should be able to kick out in the rain

DenkiMan! · 02-07-2012, 10:01 AM

more caster, maybe higher tire pressure?

!Zar! · 02-07-2012, 10:06 AM

His camber in rear is too high.

fckillerbee · 02-07-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 95KA-Turbo

How's your clutch and how bad is your T28 dying? Also, have you tried 215/45s? When I had my SR and -2.5º of camber and 0 toe that's what I ran. I ran 225/45s once and I could spin them, it just wasn't as easy....although in the rain it didn't matter at all.

I mean, in the rain you should be able to kick out a KA with 245/40s no problem. Are you 110% sure your toe is 0 all around?

THIS.

there should be no reason you can't spin those. I ran 225 40 18's on my heavy gramlights and the KA.

bone stock Sr's my fav was 245 40 17 with 50psi. That was a party. But if you are getting into 3rd gear...225's feel more predictable.

Your clutch is probably going out. Or maybe your diff. Is it stock LSD?

pacotaco345 · 02-09-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fckillerbee

in the KA...about 2 sets of rears at balcony. 3 if it's on HTM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Tire life depends on power output, length of lap, compound, track surface, pressure, and how long you hot lap for, and weight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiboy002

at our track i go through 1 pair, but the lap time is minimal compared to wait time
about 10am-3:30pm drifting kills 1 pair (can still flip)

Thanks for the input, last time I went I just used a set I got from the cage at a tire store.. The didn't last very long lol, chunked realllll fast

Z33dori · 02-10-2012, 06:10 AM

well at this moment i have 245/40 dz101 on for just rollin around around 40psi

but the last event i did back in dec, on 225/45 junkyard tires at 45-50 psi i still had some slight issues sliding out.

i think some of it was my tune tho, i recently switched to Enthalpy rom and it has alot more low end trq.

DenkiMan! · 02-10-2012, 04:58 PM

haha i was running 60psi in rear and 50 in the front at my last event on junkyard tires...ghetto drift

Perfect Balance · 02-10-2012, 05:19 PM

EDIT: Wow, fail on my part. Didn't see he had an Sr.

I'm still going to say he probably just needs some more speed though. Getting the car sideways with speed and simply maintaining wheelspin is easier than basically forcing the car to do a burnout and power over until you get a drift.

Going faster takes balls and confidence though.

I had somewhat of a similar issue at the last drift event I was at. My KA has always had a issue with low power after it has been running for a while, and I was having lots of trouble maintaining a drift. I'd have the throttle pinned to the floor and the car would slowly creep towards the inside of each turn until I had to straighten out. I was watching my GoPro footage later, and foudn out that I was entering the corners at 4k or so in second gear, clutch kick and turn in, and with the throttle pinned to the floor I would sit at 5k rpm. Halfway through the corner the car would just reach a speed where "5k" was no longer wheelspin, and I'd grip. Clutch kicking did nothing but cause a small tire chirp, but would not power over above 5k rpm. Having 205s on the front didn't help either. The little spurts of wheelspin I'd get weren't enough to overcome the front tires and I'd just have understeer through the rest of the corner.

KA240SX808 · 02-10-2012, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenkiMan!

haha i was running 60psi in rear and 50 in the front at my last event on junkyard tires...ghetto drift

50 in the Front? Woah lol
I run 215/45 | 225/45 17 on my N/A KA
I run 37/55psi and it has just enough grip but not too much where I can't kick it out.

Going to a 205/215 setup next for a little longer slides.

KA240SX808 · 02-10-2012, 05:52 PM

What alignment specs do you guys run?

I'm currently on:

Front
Camber = -2.0*
Caster = 6.8*
Toe = 0

Rear
Camber = -1.2*
Traction Rod Length = 8.125" (Need to remeasure RUCA and do some bump steer graphing)
Toe = 0

Changes I would like to make judging from tire wear:
Front
Camber = -2.1* or -2.2*
Caster = 6.7* or 6.6* (Less Camber roll to keep the Leading tire a little more flat. Self steer is still there.)

Rear
Camber = -1.25* (Just slightly more as I can see the wear touching the wear arrow on the shoulder)

fckillerbee · 02-10-2012, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA240SX808

What alignment specs do you guys run?

I'm currently on:

Front
Camber = -2.0*
Caster = 6.8*
Toe = 0

Rear
Camber = -1.2*
Traction Rod Length = 8.125" (Need to remeasure RUCA and do some bump steer graphing)
Toe = 0

Changes I would like to make judging from tire wear:
Front
Camber = -2.1* or -2.2*
Caster = 6.7* or 6.6* (Less Camber roll to keep the Leading tire a little more flat. Self steer is still there.)

Rear
Camber = -1.25* (Just slightly more as I can see the wear touching the wear arrow on the shoulder)

what do you have done to the car. how much whp?

you won't notice a improvement with adding 0.1 degrees of camber.

I ran -4.5 on my s14 with stock KA. 225 40's at 50-55psi. fronts are always aroun 35.

KA240SX808 · 02-10-2012, 06:57 PM

Basic Intake and 3" Header back. Probably putting down 140?
Upcoming upgrades are S13 Cams, N60 MAF, NIStune and a 4.375

Well the changes to the front will be done together so it might make an improvement it might not. I'm a picky bitch

pacotaco345 · 02-10-2012, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA240SX808

Basic Intake and 3" Header back. Probably putting down 140?
Upcoming upgrades are S13 Cams, N60 MAF, NIStune and a 4.375

Well the changes to the front will be done together so it might make an improvement it might not. I'm a picky bitch

A stock ka with bolt ons is more like 90-100 whp lol

KA240SX808 · 02-10-2012, 10:24 PM

Maybe yours. A friend just Dynod his with the same mods and a header and made 145. Mine is still pretty strong. But this isn't a pissing contest.

pacotaco345 · 02-10-2012, 11:04 PM

It was more of a joke than trying to start a pissing contest lol. But a "stock" ka isn't really gonna dyno more than 120 on an average reading dyno. These cars came with 155 hp to the flywheel from the factory, once it makes its way through the drivetrain you loose quite a bit of power.

EDIT: Do you plan on running dual exhaust cams or just the stock S13 setup?

KA240SX808 · 02-10-2012, 11:14 PM

Truth.
But that's what he put down and cars that he keeps up with I have no problem with so I assume I'm in the 140 range.
But judging from how well it can slide now, after those other bolt-ons I should have no problem holding sweepers. 3rd gear atleast. 4th, well that'll come another time lol.

chiboy002 · 02-15-2012, 12:41 PM

anyone have the vid of the pink fc hitting the apexs real nice??

maxtrbo93 · 02-15-2012, 12:52 PM

I started out doing weight shifted clutch kicks..... then i began to combo after the clutch kick with some (what i thought to be) quick steering work, then after I realized that those could only go for so long while picking up to much speed from mashing the gas, I started to use the e-brake for my transfers every 2nd or third transfer.

I now (3 years later) use the flick to enter corners with a medium to long curve, sometimes paired with a clutch kick but usually just mash the throttle after the flick and then massage it.

For the corners that are a little more technical and less dragged out, I'll go in hot then flick + ebrake to slow down and aim the car, it helps get the most angle for those tight corners where u can score big and it aims the car where you need it to be with great control of the angle.

02-05-2012, 02:43 PM	#1081
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,425 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	naw i love the sunny's im asking if diamongback/ling longs/triangles are good __________________ street dancer. GLEAM

02-05-2012, 10:03 PM	#1083
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I love dz101's in rear. __________________

02-05-2012, 11:27 PM	#1085
pacotaco345 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal/Ft Worth TX Age: 30 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	How many sets (of rears) do you guys go through in a day usually? __________________

02-06-2012, 01:46 PM	#1087
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	Tire life depends on power output, length of lap, compound, track surface, pressure, and how long you hot lap for, and weight. __________________

02-06-2012, 09:46 PM	#1089
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,425 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	as well as how you drive if you just drift corners not trying to connect your tires are gonna last forever __________________ street dancer. GLEAM

02-06-2012, 03:02 PM	#1088
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 39 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	in the KA...about 2 sets of rears at balcony. 3 if it's on HTM.

02-06-2012, 10:03 PM	#1090
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 35 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	why is my car so grippy SET UP: -3.5 rear , -2.5 front camber 0 toe all around 6.5 caster welded sr w/ dying t28 rear tire 225/45-245/40 17s even in the rain i have to clutch kick to get the rear out, then mash on it or else it just grips right back up. So you can imagine the amount of grip i feel in the dry

02-06-2012, 10:59 PM	#1091
95KA-Turbo Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: LA Age: 38 Posts: 3,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	How's your clutch and how bad is your T28 dying? Also, have you tried 215/45s? When I had my SR and -2.5º of camber and 0 toe that's what I ran. I ran 225/45s once and I could spin them, it just wasn't as easy....although in the rain it didn't matter at all. I mean, in the rain you should be able to kick out a KA with 245/40s no problem. Are you 110% sure your toe is 0 all around? __________________ Instagram - SJKnoop

02-07-2012, 08:01 AM	#1093
conrad_s13.5 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: STL Age: 36 Posts: 1,533 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	^yeah,. maybe try to bump up the pressure ur camber is a little backwards too,......buuuuuuuut,. the way it is should be able to spin a little easier....lol even with a dead turbo, a sr should be able to kick out in the rain __________________ cONtRol FReAkS

02-07-2012, 10:06 AM	#1095
!Zar! Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,579 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	His camber in rear is too high. __________________

02-10-2012, 06:10 AM	#1098
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 35 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	well at this moment i have 245/40 dz101 on for just rollin around around 40psi but the last event i did back in dec, on 225/45 junkyard tires at 45-50 psi i still had some slight issues sliding out. i think some of it was my tune tho, i recently switched to Enthalpy rom and it has alot more low end trq.

02-10-2012, 05:19 PM	#1100
Perfect Balance Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Virginia Age: 33 Posts: 397 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	EDIT: Wow, fail on my part. Didn't see he had an Sr. I'm still going to say he probably just needs some more speed though. Getting the car sideways with speed and simply maintaining wheelspin is easier than basically forcing the car to do a burnout and power over until you get a drift. Going faster takes balls and confidence though. I had somewhat of a similar issue at the last drift event I was at. My KA has always had a issue with low power after it has been running for a while, and I was having lots of trouble maintaining a drift. I'd have the throttle pinned to the floor and the car would slowly creep towards the inside of each turn until I had to straighten out. I was watching my GoPro footage later, and foudn out that I was entering the corners at 4k or so in second gear, clutch kick and turn in, and with the throttle pinned to the floor I would sit at 5k rpm. Halfway through the corner the car would just reach a speed where "5k" was no longer wheelspin, and I'd grip. Clutch kicking did nothing but cause a small tire chirp, but would not power over above 5k rpm. Having 205s on the front didn't help either. The little spurts of wheelspin I'd get weren't enough to overcome the front tires and I'd just have understeer through the rest of the corner.

02-10-2012, 11:04 PM	#1107
pacotaco345 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SoCal/Ft Worth TX Age: 30 Posts: 1,563 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	It was more of a joke than trying to start a pissing contest lol. But a "stock" ka isn't really gonna dyno more than 120 on an average reading dyno. These cars came with 155 hp to the flywheel from the factory, once it makes its way through the drivetrain you loose quite a bit of power. EDIT: Do you plan on running dual exhaust cams or just the stock S13 setup? __________________

02-15-2012, 12:41 PM	#1109
chiboy002 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: ◙ Posts: 4,425 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	anyone have the vid of the pink fc hitting the apexs real nice?? __________________ street dancer. GLEAM

02-15-2012, 12:52 PM	#1110
maxtrbo93 Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 31 Posts: 233 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I started out doing weight shifted clutch kicks..... then i began to combo after the clutch kick with some (what i thought to be) quick steering work, then after I realized that those could only go for so long while picking up to much speed from mashing the gas, I started to use the e-brake for my transfers every 2nd or third transfer. I now (3 years later) use the flick to enter corners with a medium to long curve, sometimes paired with a clutch kick but usually just mash the throttle after the flick and then massage it. For the corners that are a little more technical and less dragged out, I'll go in hot then flick + ebrake to slow down and aim the car, it helps get the most angle for those tight corners where u can score big and it aims the car where you need it to be with great control of the angle. __________________ 2002 IS300 - www.poorform.ca 1991 Nissan Silvia S13 (Two Tone)