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Old 07-06-2007, 09:48 AM   #121
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i dont know if i even have any of the older pics, the car has come such a long way, if you could pin point an area of the begining it would help me out alot i think...
ah I mean the pics that you originally posted in the thread a couple of years ago

I am at the starting stages of prepping my 240 for track and was interested to see what you had done!

the car looks excellent as of now!
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Old 07-06-2007, 03:27 PM   #122
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well the car didnt look much different beesides interior, seats and wheels....not much has changed for outside appearence....
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really I was looking to see what you did behind the dashboard. that is the phase Im working on right now.

It is kind of fun tracing which wire goes to what, to see if I need it. I was amazed at how much wiring and relays could weigh!

I am in the process of tracing each wire to see what I NEED... because I am trying to also get this car registered, leaving only the essential functions, lights, horn, turn signals, and reverse, as well as the track essentials, blower motor, ducting, alternator, fuel pump, etc.

Learning is half the fun tho.
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UPDATE!!!!

no changes to car for the rest of this year, unless something breaks....then its all out suspension swap, bushing changes and a very few control arm changes....

VIDEO!!!

from Hyperfest this year, soon to be posted is video from VIR Grand
[ame]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6706228089276073532&q=Casey+at+Sum[/ame] mit+Point+main&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=se arch&plindex=0
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Old 09-03-2007, 06:18 PM   #125
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some VIR Grand footage with MDA.....

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165199365012568112"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165199365012568112[/ame]
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Old 10-14-2007, 08:59 PM   #126
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UPDATE!!!!

Sumit Main just felt my wrath.... I ran a best of 1:26 according to my bro stop-watch, which i believe is awesome considering my current setup. I had video of my last session out with the instructors, but my tie-strap held down the zoom button and ruined the video and made it just license plates and track surface

Car had HORRIBLE shudder in teh front end, which led us to believe many bad bushings considering they are prolly 16yrs old anyways. So comming soon to a forums near you, bushing install, coilover swap and adjustments, cam install, SAFC install and tuning. All before christmas hopefully, well see how that turns out.
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Gotta see SAFC install and tuning !!
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UPDATE!!!!

no changes to car for the rest of this year, unless something breaks....then its all out suspension swap, bushing changes and a very few control arm changes....

VIDEO!!!

from Hyperfest this year, soon to be posted is video from VIR Grand
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...q=Casey+at+Sum mit+Point+main&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=se arch&plindex=0
looks like you need a bit more power in the straights?
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no need for more power, itll hurt me int he turns, i can almost keep up with C6 Vetts if i make the last turn perfect, otherwise its bye bye...
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no need for more power, itll hurt me int he turns, i can almost keep up with C6 Vetts if i make the last turn perfect, otherwise its bye bye...
you just need to modulate throttle.

I mean my car is probalby making as much hp as your car doest at 6500 at like 4000 rpms.

turbo lag is an illusion.

either way sick ride
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you just need to modulate throttle.

I mean my car is probalby making as much hp as your car doest at 6500 at like 4000 rpms.

turbo lag is an illusion.

either way sick ride
modulating the throttle and dealing with HP is different matters, its easier to drive the car with current power and maybe a tad more, like 30+ maybe. Its not a matter of needing more power either, its a matter of needs, i dont need more power to go faster i just need to modify my line a little and maybe do a little suspension work. More power will just force me to adjust my whole driving technique and not just throttle.

i aree lag is managable, but why be forced to manage things just for power on the straits, id rather not have to manage anything and concentrate on other things while driving.
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Once you break everything down and max out your driving skills, max out the tires, max out the suspension, and max out your engine, it all comes down to " HORSEPOWER WINS RACES" I am running stock kade24 with just your basic boltons with almost all suspension done and sure I can keep up with Evo's and Mini Copper S's, and Corvettes in the corners but once we hit the straight aways, I get smoked hard. And if you go head to head with a guy that has the same skill as you or maybe even a little less skill but has more power, he will beat you.

Although you could catch up to them in the corners, they will most likely gain more ground on you on the straight away than you can make up in the corners.

Trust me, I am all about corners, but there comes a certain time when you just need more power.
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horse power does a good bit, but for legitimate racing, at our track (2.2mi loop) the Honda Challenge H1 cars are just as fast at the american iron Extreme cars, 2x the horsepower easily, but the same lap times. Skill and setup wins races, only horsepower if you know how to use it. Dragracing is another story tho....
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HC vs American Iron? Hmm.

Realize at this point, a second or 2 makes a huge difference in lap times. Especially the shorter the course.

HP may win races, but realize that w2w competition rules are set in attempt to level the playing field. And the more you compete and lose, the lower your spec weight gets, better of a chance you have.
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HC vs American Iron? Hmm.

Realize at this point, a second or 2 makes a huge difference in lap times. Especially the shorter the course.

HP may win races, but realize that w2w competition rules are set in attempt to level the playing field. And the more you compete and lose, the lower your spec weight gets, better of a chance you have.


its not HC vs AI, its just two classes out on track at the same time. SCCA puts several classes on track together at the same time as well.

NASA doesnt allow you to change your cars weight if you lose alot, rules are rules to keep cars similar, not level the playing field because your a slower driver in comparison to a faster one....
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its not HC vs AI, its just two classes out on track at the same time. SCCA puts several classes on track together at the same time as well.

NASA doesnt allow you to change your cars weight if you lose alot, rules are rules to keep cars similar, not level the playing field because your a slower driver in comparison to a faster one....
well, the lack of podiums on a car deemed uncompetitive will lower the spec weight, however it'll take 1 season before the committee deems it allowable. just as with cars that consistantly win. H4's champion 3 seasons running, the chassis gained over 50lbs on their spec weight, according to the rules.

NASA doesn't allow you personally to change the spec weight to your PERSONAL vehicle, they can make it a rule that applies to all cars.
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Very cool vid's, nice wide fast track! wow

wish i could get out their.
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changes all comming togeather.

FMIC and Rad fully mounted, IC tubes being welded this week, all new exhaust gaskets on order, FULLRace manifold going on with new gaskets, and DP will be getting a flex pipe to help reduce vibration cracks in exhaust components. Cams and Injectors are installed along with soon-to-be SAFC for mild tuning of 11psi. Car should make about 240whp and a very agressive powerband for lower RPM.




keep in touch if you want to see pics of everythign done and IC ductign finished in the next few weeks.
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Sic vid and car setup, no offense but the car sounded like you were in to high of a gear almost the entire time. keep us posted tho.
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most of the time i was in high rpm range, not keeping it at redline all the time, but within proper power band range so i woudl stay in boost at all times. If i stay in lower gears the car is st too high of rpm, and causes throttle inputs to unsettle the car which ends up in lots of steering correction and loss of control


its a big thing i learned this past year on high speed tracks, high gears lead to high speeds and smoother steering inputs due to a settled car. I changed my top speed on one major section of a track here by about 40mph sicen last year.....and its a miltiple S situation. My VIR video will show it, i shoudl make comparison videos from last year if i can find them. you will notice lap times drop by tons and speeds increase.
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Man, I amso envious. I so wanna race my car, but I also love driving my car on the street. Awesome setup, especially ove he elevation change in the middle of VIR. WOW that suby is quick. I have been doing some AutoXing and 4WD's are really taking over the scene. Out of the box they are already so quick.

What are your suspension settings if I might ask? THanks! NVM... Found it.

Pretty close to mine. I am think RT's 225 and 245, but thinking 255's. How is running so wide up front because my setup is for autox, turn in on 245's on front might hurt me. 255 on 8" rim is that ok?
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What are your suspension settings if I might ask? THanks! NVM... Found it.

Pretty close to mine. I am think RT's 225 and 245, but thinking 255's. How is running so wide up front because my setup is for autox, turn in on 245's on front might hurt me. 255 on 8" rim is that ok?
suspension setup is changing very soon, as we speak actually.

Shocks - Ohlins race valved shocks
Springs - Eibach 450/350 Ground Control setup
Bushings - Energy SUspension Hyperflex bushings
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Camber at -2* f/r


wide tires front and rear is a must on 240's, they tend to be a little heavy and understeer, the wider tires help guide the front of the car and get me in the direction i want to go. I plan to eventually run 275 all four corners, this way i can rotate wheels, and dont have to worry about just front sets or just rear sets. Mostly beacuse i source used race tires for all my events, and its easier to get full sets of the same sizes rather then sets with different sizes.
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horse power does a good bit, but for legitimate racing, at our track (2.2mi loop) the Honda Challenge H1 cars are just as fast at the american iron Extreme cars, 2x the horsepower easily, but the same lap times. Skill and setup wins races, only horsepower if you know how to use it. Dragracing is another story tho....
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Once you break everything down and max out your driving skills, max out the tires, max out the suspension, and max out your engine, it all comes down to " HORSEPOWER WINS RACES" I am running stock kade24 with just your basic boltons with almost all suspension done and sure I can keep up with Evo's and Mini Copper S's, and Corvettes in the corners but once we hit the straight aways, I get smoked hard. And if you go head to head with a guy that has the same skill as you or maybe even a little less skill but has more power, he will beat you.

Although you could catch up to them in the corners, they will most likely gain more ground on you on the straight away than you can make up in the corners.

Trust me, I am all about corners, but there comes a certain time when you just need more power.
Are you racing for points, championships, sponsorships, or just plain ego? Why does it matter if you can past [car x] on the straight?

More power = more speed = early braking = more chances to miss brake markers = more worn out brakes/tyres = less $$$

All you need is enough power to transfer weight front to rear as necessary. Any stock car will have enough power to do this. Anything above that is only used from the apex to the corner exit. In transitions there is no exit so you cannot apply full power.

Too much power is a liability between the entry point and the apex.


I say keep the power exactly where it is. Tune the chassis and the driver.
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i am in complete agreement with keeping power low and learning the car, and upgrading suspension slowly as track time increases to maximize speed and momentum driving.

although i have just taken a few small steps to increase my power and suspension at the same time.

power is going up from 220whp to about 250whp with better torque curve.
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i may have missed it but why are you ditching the v-mount?
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Man your thread is awesome +1 for awesome progress thread.. really enjoyed reading the entire thing... lol @ oil cooler thing earlier in thread :P
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i may have missed it but why are you ditching the v-mount?
v-mount took up alot of space that was needed for other things. It was a tad dangerous setup in terms roadracing, one off track experience into a rough territory would potentially bust the radiator and ruin a weekend of fun for me. So the logical decision was to switch it out, for a safer setup.



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Man your thread is awesome +1 for awesome progress thread.. really enjoyed reading the entire thing... lol @ oil cooler thing earlier in thread :P
thanks, keep checking in for more progress pics and updates, many soon to come, Old oil cooler setu pwas alright, but deff just a temporary design, that is being changed yet again for a much cooler setup, sorry for the play on words.
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some asshole negged me for complimenting u what a loser
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someone sent you a PM givin you sh*t? what did they say?
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