Official old grumpy assholes of zilvia thread

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by Corbic

We're talking about a SR20 with a VVL head swap.

Besides, K24's are like $300.

Y'all can have fun with the $300 K24A4, those things suck

And considering a good F20/F22 is going to run you $3-6k, have fun with that.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

Y'all can have fun with the $300 K24A4, those things suck

And considering a good F20/F22 is going to run you $3-6k, have fun with that.

Boost fixes all problems man.

What's a VVL swap going to run you? Conversion kit alone is $2k and you still need two engines.

K-series is a better designed engine, plain and simple. It's nearly 20 years newer in design, huge aftermarket and huge production surplus of used parts.

5 seconds on eBay an A2 is $500 for a long block and $900 to $1200 complete. These are also engines as little as 5 years old with warranties compared to 25 year old SRs that have been beat to death.

[gbaby2089]

Oh, the K series is superior to every engine Nissan has ever built.

I'm saying stop fcking up our supply.

[e30gangsta]

I love the k series, my neighbor has a built 4 piston 163 crate motor from them and that thing rips! Made like 320 whp N/A. The only reason I'm deciding to do VVL is because the Silvia I own already came with the SR.

In my opinion the k series is the best 4 cylinder motor ever made. Stupid reliable, tons of parts/aftermarket support, and great power.

[jumpman2334]

watching corbic rustle a bunch of jimmies and panties was the highlight of my birthday thus far. thank you corbic.

[gbaby2089]

Originally Posted by jumpman2334

watching corbic rustle a bunch of jimmies and panties was the highlight of my birthday thus far. thank you corbic.

I'm sorry. That's really quite depressing.

[spooled240]

What makes the engine so great? I've driven a K20 and it was fun, but it didn't wake up until 8k rpms. .4L really makes that much of a difference? It revs lower too..






Also, *In before ugly ass k-swapped mustang dragster post*

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by spooled240

What makes the engine so great? I've driven a K20 and it was fun, but it didn't wake up until 8k rpms. .4L really makes that much of a difference? It revs lower too..






Also, *In before ugly ass k-swapped mustang dragster post*

Really bro?

Some of the best heads in the industry
VVT
Forged Crank
Strong Block
Piston Oil Squiters
Timing Chain
Strong rods and pistons
Huge aftermarket
Cheap Longblocks

You'll be making 450-600hp with an appropriate sized turbo at 10-12psi all day long. Unlike an SR you won't be needing head work and cams.

No replacement for displacement. 400cc is an 18% increase in displacement. Guys spend $5k to build 2.2l SR strokers. A K24 is just 100cc less then a RB25 in displacement while being almost 200lbs lighter.

For the money of a 2.2 SR stroker, you could have a 2.7L K-series.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

V8s are for people who cant build shit! DISCUSS!!!


there yah go!

easy cheap way out of lacking skills to build an efficient low displacement engine. 100%

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by bardabe

easy cheap way out of lacking skills to build an efficient low displacement engine. 100%

Please, tell us all about these high skilled engines you've blue print built.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by bardabe

easy cheap way out of lacking skills to build an efficient low displacement engine. 100%

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Really bro?

Some of the best heads in the industry
VVT
Forged Crank
Strong Block
Piston Oil Squiters
Timing Chain
Strong rods and pistons
Huge aftermarket
Cheap Longblocks

You'll be making 450-600hp with an appropriate sized turbo at 10-12psi all day long. Unlike an SR you won't be needing head work and cams.

No replacement for displacement. 400cc is an 18% increase in displacement. Guys spend $5k to build 2.2l SR strokers. A K24 is just 100cc less then a RB25 in displacement while being almost 200lbs lighter.

For the money of a 2.2 SR stroker, you could have a 2.7L K-series.

Ok, the engine has potential. A KA24 also has potential with the right mods. How much is it to swap that in a 240 if you are not a skilled fabricator? Can you run A/C? Will all the gauges work?


I don't think SR's are worth building, but a KA-T with an EFR 7163, E85 and a z32 trans could put down 450-600hp and it's all bolt-on.

[jumpman2334]

Originally Posted by gbaby2089

I'm sorry. That's really quite depressing.

i am a simple person. it doesn't take much to make me happy. with that being said, i still dont like you.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Please, tell us all about these high skilled engines you've blue print built.

got plenty of Honda K-series, Mitsubishi 4G63 & 4B11's hurting feelings out here that I've built, plenty of 2.6 and 2.8L RB's hurting feelings too. I just don't get much time to work on my own projects lately (which is why I'm selling of my SR20VE to focus on the Skyline). you're welcome to come check out my shop whenever you want. I'll be in Texas soon already got a few builds with deposits to get started on as soon as I get all my equipment there.

a well put together internally stock K20 with boost can be very reliable don't need to get crazy (or even build it). However when people lack common sense and pay attention to details they blame the engine for failing rather than looking at what went wrong and why. (or are too uneducated / experienced to figure out what happened and why). so blame the engine. (i did it in my young days too not going to lie)

then they'll spend money to install a JZ or LS swap because they are damn near impossible to break in stock or bolt on form from the factory and claim it as a "build". Hondas are now doing that with the J series swaps, those engines are damn near bulletproof from factory. I tuned an NSX with a J32A a few weeks ago. internally untouched engine, just a turbo kit and E85. maxed out ID1050's at 19 psi and engine was still asking for more. that's 600+ WHP out of a junkyard engine from an accord.

[mad-ass]

Originally Posted by bardabe

then they'll spend money to install a JZ or LS swap because they are damn near impossible to break in stock or bolt on form from the factory and claim it as a "build". Hondas are now doing that with the J series swaps, those engines are damn near bulletproof from factory. I tuned an NSX with a J32A a few weeks ago. internally untouched engine, just a turbo kit and E85. maxed out ID1050's at 19 psi and engine was still asking for more. that's 600+ WHP out of a junkyard engine from an accord.

So, is it bad to start with something that has proven record to be reliable? Like I posted on last page, at some point in everyone's life they just want to buy something that works with no special tricks, at least for me it was.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by mad-ass

So, is it bad to start with something that has proven record to be reliable? Like I posted on last page, at some point in everyone's life they just want to buy something that works with no special tricks, at least for me it was.

if you're starting off with that then no biggie ( i almost did a 2JZ into my Z32 at one point, until i had it in there and saw no real solution to cooling issues without major chassis re-engineering) it's the people that blow up small engines and blame the engine for the failure rather than what went wrong.

[jumpman2334]

ive seen plenty of JZ swapped z32s. what is your cooling issue.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by jumpman2334

ive seen plenty of JZ swapped z32s. what is your cooling issue.

can't hot lap them for 25-30 mins straight. not enough room for a proper radiator and fan setup without major chassis modifications. All the ideas I had for a better cooling setup involved turning the Z into a full on Nascar / rear mounted radiator.

Street driving / Highway runs / Drag Racing is no problem. it's road racing that's an issue with them.

[xschylerx]

Originally Posted by spooled240

a ka-t with an efr 7163, e85 and a z32 trans could put down 450-600hp and it's all bolt-on.

ka is king!

[Kingtal0n]

Originally Posted by bardabe

can't hot lap them for 25-30 mins straight. not enough room for a proper radiator and fan setup without major chassis modifications. All the ideas I had for a better cooling setup involved turning the Z into a full on Nascar / rear mounted radiator.

Street driving / Highway runs / Drag Racing is no problem. it's road racing that's an issue with them.

I don't buy it. 600hp is 600hp worth of energy whether its a 4-cyl or 6 or 8. People use the same rad/fan for a 6-cyl as they do an 8-cyl or 4-cyl @ 600-800hp. 'Cars' that see constant duty (boats) high WOT%/time at high power (i.e. Z06 corvettes tracked) always need consideration beyond what the factory supplies(factory Z06 has issues just like anything else), but it has nothing to do with the number of cylinders or engine configuration or space (corvette is tighter than a 240 with a V8). It is more based on the fuel type used, on measures taken to cool the engine. For example water injection allows a limitless EGT reduction. Oil coolers, heat exchangers, its the same scene 240/corvette but the vette is more difficult. So I don't buy anyone saying 240 is impossible or "I couldn't do it with a 240". Nevermind all the creative endeavors somebody who fabricates regularly could pull off without going overboard or getting into a difficult job.

[bardabe]

Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

I don't buy it. 600hp is 600hp worth of energy whether its a 4-cyl or 6 or 8. People use the same rad/fan for a 6-cyl as they do an 8-cyl or 4-cyl @ 600-800hp. 'Cars' that see constant duty (boats) high WOT%/time at high power (i.e. Z06 corvettes tracked) always need consideration beyond what the factory supplies(factory Z06 has issues just like anything else), but it has nothing to do with the number of cylinders or engine configuration or space (corvette is tighter than a 240 with a V8). It is more based on the fuel type used, on measures taken to cool the engine. For example water injection allows a limitless EGT reduction. Oil coolers, heat exchangers, its the same scene 240/corvette but the vette is more difficult. So I don't buy anyone saying 240 is impossible or "I couldn't do it with a 240". Nevermind all the creative endeavors somebody who fabricates regularly could pull off without going overboard or getting into a difficult job.

my car is a Z32,

2JZ Crank pulley quite literally sits 1" away from the lower radiator support. and no room to run the same radiator we are using on S13/S14's due to a big height differential.

I can fit a clutch fan on a JZ S14/S13 and have adequate airflow. the nose construction of the Z32 would require re-engineering the entire front end for a V-mount style setup or rear mounted radiator with ducting to have adequate airflow through the radiator. Neither which i was down to do. My SR20 had an RB26 clutch fan with shrouding without cutting a single piece of the chassis up, everything i modified was reversible with bolt in parts. which was my main goal, i didn't want to hack up my car.

also, to add to your argument. While yes it takes the same amount of airflow to make X amount of HP. Iron block holds more heat, and a 6 cylinder block has more mass which means it'll absorb even more heat. so now you'd have the same heat exchanger trying to cool off a bigger mass of heat. you'll eventually overwork the efficiency of that cooler with the cooling demand of the heat source. Cooling off a big 6 cylinder iron block is not the same as cooling off a small 4 cylinder aluminum block or maybe I'm dumb idk.

[dizzariot]

Y'all gotta learn to ignore Corbic. His stockpile of any-generation-of-Mustang pictures is a clear indication of that. He also types foreign languages like he's a second citizen of our brothers in the world-superpowers-club. Let him tucker himself out and the beast will slumber and leave Zilvia in peace.

LSs aren't lame. SRs aren't lame. K20s aren't lame. It's this shitty polarization to whatever the fuck you're into that's lame.

I always harp on keeping the cars as original as possible. If you car is 100% gorgeous on the outside and original, but has an LS, who really cares? The car appears to be styled with an eye for (my preferred) genre of styling, so who gives a fuck what's powering it, yeah?

LS motors get a bad rep because we always imagine the 'rule' and not the 'exception'. In my opinion (in case anyone out there is still gunning to mount my e-cranium on their mantle) everything begs a closer look. Some guys want a reliable, fun-to-drive, CA-legal motor. I get it. Go for it. It's the 4x4, shopping-cart-angle cars with LS swaps that we all hate.

As a community, we need to focus on what's 'real' and support it. If someone's choice in motor is going to polarize you when everything else they do is cool, you need to think about your values. The only thing we should be rebuking at this point is clout-chasing, platform-exploiting fucks who give no shits about this chassis beyond what it can do for them in terms of dollars or social media traffic.

Identify pandering, and shut it down. We'll all be better off.

[e30gangsta]

^ best post I've read on here in a while.

[SRTFerg]

Agreed. Instead of harping on each other for what engine is in our cars why not just appreciate that we are all here for the same reason. We all find interest in the same platform and at the end of the day who cares what engine it has in it?

[jedi03]

are we making fake cars now?

[jumpman2334]

Originally Posted by bardabe

my car is a Z32,

looks like it fits pretty good to me? i already know you stated you dont want to hack up your car, but i think this could be solved by a tube front (just based off this picture).

seems sort of odd for someone who has a shop, who should have access to simple tools like a welder and bender, doesnt want a tube front on a swap that mixes mfgs. shit like this happens when you put a toyota in a nissan and so forth.

adapt. improvise. overcome. #meme

edit:
heres another with a visible rad:
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_...iginal.jpg?v=0

[Corbic]

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by dizzariot

Y'all gotta learn to ignore Corbic. His stockpile of any-generation-of-Mustang pictures is a clear indication of that. He also types foreign languages like he's a second citizen of our brothers in the world-superpowers-club. Let him tucker himself out and the beast will slumber and leave Zilvia in peace.

Naw, I just get tired of the JDM fan boys and thier hype wagon of unorginality. Mustangs seriously trigger ya'll.

This is the old man grumpy thread and I am 35 and grumpy. Having been playing with cars for 20 years I'm just "over it" with so many trends and fads. You eventually begin to see past the hype and realize it's just vapor.


As for spelling and grammar, believe it or not, I'm well spoken and an excellent business writer. I just post from my phone and don't ever proof read. It's a forum and no one takes me serious to begin with.

[jumpman2334]

Originally Posted by Corbic

You eventually begin to see past the hype and realize it's just vapor.

literally. its the damn kids vaping in their subies.

the LS powerplant looks like it fits nicely in there too.

[dorkidori_s13]

Originally Posted by jumpman2334

literally. its the damn kids vaping in their subies.

the LS powerplant looks like it fits nicely in there too.

nothing wrong with vaping... keeps me from putting cancer sticks in my mouth!