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Old 09-17-2019, 08:38 PM   #391
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Here's a compromise, repeal the NFA on SBR and Silencers.
Yep, gun owners have been compromising since 1934 without receiving anything in return...

I spent the first half of my life living in Southern California and would love to move back, but the existing gun laws over there prevent that from happening.
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Old 09-18-2019, 03:26 PM   #393
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I would like to see the numbers on this to see if it is far less expensive like he says
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Yeah I'm not really understanding the huge impact here..Aren't most, if not all new cars sold in CA identical to the same model cars sold in other states with less stringent smog standards? Unless there's some BS smog tax in CA that he trying to eliminate?
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I would like to see the numbers on this to see if it is far less expensive like he says
His argument is California is forcing a 54mpg CAFE compared to the EPA's plan for 30mpg.

To achieve 54mpg fleet, makers are going to be forced to cram expensive hybrid/EV tech into every car, expensive materials to reduce weight and cut every non-madated safety system to meet these thresholds.

A Chevy Tahoe is safer then a Honda Fit. There is just no way around those physics.

Cars that do match great mileage and great safety are also extremely expensive, like a Tesla S or many luxury European cars.

EPA and FMVS have absolutely pushed up the price of New Cars.

A 60's loaded top engine Muscle car was $20k adjusted for inflation. A pedestrian Nova or Falcon barely $12k. With advancements in production I bet these cars would cost 2/3s of that today.

My Wife's 2015 Volkswagen Polo (Rus), manual, turbo, front airbags, ABS was only $9,950 new.

Build, Size, Interior and Safety are on par with a MKIV Jetta. Cheapest American Volkswagen is $19k, twice the price.


Who wouldn't buy a new S15 for $16k or R32 GTR for $25k? I assure you they are not melting the ice caps and murdering childern on the highways.
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^^^I get the thought behind it. I just want to see some hard numbers.


For instance in this article different people say different things.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sac...235219252.html

Then there is this point.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2365337001

In the world of political softball would an auto maker really change up their plans Knowing the president will not be in power forever and that another president one day could simply reverse the rules.

Plus vehicles for sale in 2023 are likely in production or Bill phase now so it’s not like it would have a an immediate effect.
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^^^I get the thought behind it. I just want to see some hard numbers.
Hard Number is cost of cars haa dramatically risen in the last 25 years related to inflation.

Cars are also being held longer then ever, 12 year average now. While many will hail rust control and reliability, the fact is most people will say "I just can't afford a new $60k truck or $600/m for a Camry"

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For instance in this article different people say different things.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sac...235219252.html

Then there is this point.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2365337001
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In the world of political softball would an auto maker really change up their plans Knowing the president will not be in power forever and that another president one day could simply reverse the rules.
California is going to sue. The courts will make a decision and set thr precidence. If they decide "No California", you won't be repleaing that with thr next DNC President. If they decide "Yes Cali!" nothing changes and more lawsuits will follow on other State V Federal issues.

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Plus vehicles for sale in 2023 are likely in production or Bill phase now so itís not like it would have a an immediate effect.
Not so much. Companies (like FCA) are just lined up to pay huge fines or shut down production lines.

Take the politics out of it, and it's just idiotic that California (et al) are able to bully OEMs and people into subverting Federal standards.

It's not just Intial sales that are an issue for OEMs and consumers, but also used vehicles. Cali (et al) have no problem rejecting registrations and certificates of other used vehicles. If OEM choose to say "fuck CARB" you'll be seeing lawsuits when someone buys a car in Texas then moves to Cali and can't register it. It's interfering with interstate commerce.

So for all the leftist suddenly "OMG States Rights Hypocrites!", yes, Indiana has a right not to be bludgeoned into adopting California standards by sheer economic/numerical force. This is also why we need to maintain the Electoral College.

As for the tree huggers, tail pipe emissions are not an issue. Oil companies don't care about automotive gasoline.

12 Largest Container ships (ones importing made in China slave labor Facist state products) contribute more pollution then ALL THR CARS IN THE WORLD.

All the Smog in Cali is from... Those Chinese Factories.


Oil production primarily supports electricity production, industrial bases, heating and.... PLASTIC.

Anything you own, touch or use that contains plastic is a petroleum product. Oil companies do not care about MPG. Such narrow minded morons. Emerging markets are adding millions of new vehicles. New plastic products add billions of barrels of crude. Expanding industrial nations can't get enough crude oil.

Big Oil has done zilch to increase Gasoline production. They don't care, they'll just adjust prices and maitian margins.
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