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takuymmt · 02-09-2014, 09:57 AM

so yesterday i went to the track and ended up breaking 3 tie rods

whenever i get to full lock, it'll make a really bad rubbing noise then my steering wheel starts feeling really weird. turns out it was a bent tie rod.

i went to autozone to buy a new tie rod, then went full lock again and they broke again

why do they keep breaking!?!

EDacIouSX · 02-09-2014, 10:00 AM

because your car is lowered and doesn't have bump steer correction on the tie rods

takuymmt · 02-09-2014, 10:02 AM

so i just need to buy tie rods with bump steer correction?

*brndck* · 02-09-2014, 10:12 AM

Please god tell me you aren't using s13 tie rods???

And yeah without relocating the rack forwards or correcting the geometry of the spindle to compensate for lowering the car it's very common for rods to bend or snap.

benarovi · 02-09-2014, 09:22 PM

iv bent at least 5 stock tie rods just from banging full lock. now if its rubbing the wheels going to bind up. you need some nice tiens. or if your car is super low, get the ones with the extended joint.
my wheel kept binding up when I went drifting kept hitting bumps and was rubbing.
I bent the fuck out of a tien outter and inner.

***FaLKoN240*** · 02-09-2014, 10:07 PM

What parts do you have on your car?

How big are your front wheels?

*fliprayzin240sx* · 02-10-2014, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brndck

Please god tell me you aren't using s13 tie rods???

And yeah without relocating the rack forwards or correcting the geometry of the spindle to compensate for lowering the car it's very common for rods to bend or snap.

This...for the love of god, atleast upgrade to S14 tie rods.

sleepyS14se · 02-13-2014, 09:31 AM

how do we know the OP has a s13? i didn't see where he posted saying this is on a s13..lol

i just went drifting for the first time and my car is a s14 and i was wondering about the "BANG" that happens when i hit full lock. i have not bent anything or damaged anything but i was wondering what the bang sound was? it is normal for this noise to happen when the car auto steers to full lock? is it hitting the stoppers on the LCA?

Hiighboost2 · 02-13-2014, 10:31 AM

That bang your referring too sounds like your hitting the frame rail.

cut/weld or hammer down that lip on the frame rail.

Akop · 02-13-2014, 10:32 AM

Get some ikeya formula tie rods, only like 110$ and they're beefy af

takuymmt · 02-13-2014, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

What parts do you have on your car?

How big are your front wheels?

i have godspeed mono rs coilovers and godspeed tension arms, stock tie rods and my wheels are 17x10

***FaLKoN240*** · 02-13-2014, 11:00 AM

Upgrade to s14 outers and z33 inners.

DET240SX · 02-13-2014, 11:14 AM

Basically agree with what everyone is saying here, compensation for bump steer, upgrade to S14 TRE, etc..

If you're planning buying economical but high quality, I strongly recommend MOOG TRE's. They are beefier than OEM since it's designed for the aftermarket (non of those parts within Warranty product life mentality like almost all of OEM's have - can't blame em but).

They have an extensive Tech/R&D center in St. Louis that does metallurgical analysis on what type of steel is best in strength, as well as bend vs. snapping simulation of the arm and the stud itself. They do a lot more than that but..

All of their ball studs are US made in Illinois, with the US steel, if that matters to you. It also has gusher bearings for more lubrication.

I had to upgrade my arms during one of the drift events last year at the track, had no choice but to use my buddy's S14 PBM ITR (chopped at the end) and MOOG TRE's - was skeptical at first since it's not "performance" part as all of us are used to but man I have no complaints.

See pic for your reference of difference in design

***FaLKoN240*** · 02-13-2014, 11:24 AM

^Super informative post! +rep

sleepyS14se · 02-13-2014, 11:34 AM

i am using moog inners and outers (all s14 parts, my car is s14)

my wheels are 03 350z wheels... i do not think i am hitting the frame rail or else i would feel the tires scrubbing the frame and it would even possibly lock up. I have not heard or felt it. I thought the sound was it hitting the stoppers on the lca...idk yet

*brndck* · 02-13-2014, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DET240SX

See pic for your reference of difference in design

Moog outers are the shit.
I've had a set of the "oem style" (the ones on the left) and they fold or break at the part where it narrows down. The moog ones are beefy as fuck in that same area, no chance of folding or breaking.

I use PBM inners (s14 spec) and have no issues. (Also have roll center corrected knuckles from fineline tuning, and PBM solid steering rack relocation bushings. )

spooled240 · 02-13-2014, 05:17 PM

i've also have the moog outers. The zerk fittings are nice and I got them at rockauto for pretty cheap

02-09-2014, 09:57 AM	#1
takuymmt Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Monterey Park Age: 29 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Tie Rods keep BREAKING!!! HELP so yesterday i went to the track and ended up breaking 3 tie rods whenever i get to full lock, it'll make a really bad rubbing noise then my steering wheel starts feeling really weird. turns out it was a bent tie rod. i went to autozone to buy a new tie rod, then went full lock again and they broke again why do they keep breaking!?!

02-09-2014, 10:07 PM	#6
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,885 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	What parts do you have on your car? How big are your front wheels? __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

02-13-2014, 09:31 AM	#8
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 34 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	how do we know the OP has a s13? i didn't see where he posted saying this is on a s13..lol i just went drifting for the first time and my car is a s14 and i was wondering about the "BANG" that happens when i hit full lock. i have not bent anything or damaged anything but i was wondering what the bang sound was? it is normal for this noise to happen when the car auto steers to full lock? is it hitting the stoppers on the LCA? __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

02-13-2014, 10:31 AM	#9
Hiighboost2 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Houston, Tx Age: 37 Posts: 368 Trader Rating: (32) Feedback Score: 32 reviews	That bang your referring too sounds like your hitting the frame rail. cut/weld or hammer down that lip on the frame rail. __________________ Instagram @hiighboost @iasperformance

02-13-2014, 11:00 AM	#12
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,885 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	Upgrade to s14 outers and z33 inners. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

02-09-2014, 10:00 AM	#2
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 38 Posts: 4,565 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	because your car is lowered and doesn't have bump steer correction on the tie rods

02-09-2014, 10:02 AM	#3
takuymmt Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Monterey Park Age: 29 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	so i just need to buy tie rods with bump steer correction?

02-09-2014, 09:22 PM	#5
benarovi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: FaiL Age: 31 Posts: 913 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	iv bent at least 5 stock tie rods just from banging full lock. now if its rubbing the wheels going to bind up. you need some nice tiens. or if your car is super low, get the ones with the extended joint. my wheel kept binding up when I went drifting kept hitting bumps and was rubbing. I bent the fuck out of a tien outter and inner.

02-13-2014, 10:32 AM	#10
Akop Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Socal Age: 31 Posts: 390 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Get some ikeya formula tie rods, only like 110$ and they're beefy af

02-13-2014, 11:14 AM	#13
DET240SX Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2013 Location: Michigan Age: 37 Posts: 130 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Basically agree with what everyone is saying here, compensation for bump steer, upgrade to S14 TRE, etc.. If you're planning buying economical but high quality, I strongly recommend MOOG TRE's. They are beefier than OEM since it's designed for the aftermarket (non of those parts within Warranty product life mentality like almost all of OEM's have - can't blame em but). They have an extensive Tech/R&D center in St. Louis that does metallurgical analysis on what type of steel is best in strength, as well as bend vs. snapping simulation of the arm and the stud itself. They do a lot more than that but.. All of their ball studs are US made in Illinois, with the US steel, if that matters to you. It also has gusher bearings for more lubrication. I had to upgrade my arms during one of the drift events last year at the track, had no choice but to use my buddy's S14 PBM ITR (chopped at the end) and MOOG TRE's - was skeptical at first since it's not "performance" part as all of us are used to but man I have no complaints. See pic for your reference of difference in design

02-13-2014, 11:24 AM	#14
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SoCal Temecula Posts: 16,885 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	^Super informative post! +rep __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

02-13-2014, 11:34 AM	#15
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 34 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i am using moog inners and outers (all s14 parts, my car is s14) my wheels are 03 350z wheels... i do not think i am hitting the frame rail or else i would feel the tires scrubbing the frame and it would even possibly lock up. I have not heard or felt it. I thought the sound was it hitting the stoppers on the lca...idk yet __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

02-13-2014, 05:17 PM	#17
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,203 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	i've also have the moog outers. The zerk fittings are nice and I got them at rockauto for pretty cheap