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Bubbles · 07-02-2009, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Ron Artest is possibly the dumbest person walking the earth right now.

True.

True.

ALTRNTV · 07-02-2009, 06:22 PM

Why do you feel that way? Artest is a defensive ace. Also, he's gonna play alongside Kobe and Odom, two of his best friends
in the NBA. You're crazy if you don't think this was a good signing.

Bubbles · 07-02-2009, 06:23 PM

I'm actually referring to his intelligence.

Not his game.

ALTRNTV · 07-02-2009, 06:25 PM

Well, he just made a smart move by coming to LA. He wasn't going to stay in Houston where there's no future, since Yao is
out for next season, and TMac might not even be back, and even if he is, he'll probably just get injured as always.

Artest wants a ring, plain and simple.

**Phlip** · 07-02-2009, 06:32 PM

I figure if Ariza wants to play hardball and show that it is about the money and not basketball, then Artest (so long as he behaves) is a good signing.

*revat619* · 07-02-2009, 07:02 PM

i was just talking to my brother on the phone for over an hour about the Artest deal.

Its a great look. Ariza is a great player, but there's no way he's worth 9 mil a year. Hell, Odom lost his starting job AND was willing to take a pay cut and he's staying. If he was smart, he'd shut the hell up and take the mid-level deal and be in position to win a ring again and possibly more money next year....cuz we all know Vujachoke HAS to be coming up on the chopping block sooner or later. If he wants a ring he'll stay or go to Cleavland.

ALTRNTV · 07-02-2009, 07:23 PM

Ok, he's getting a 5-year contract for the full MLE, around $32million. Great signing.

OptionZero · 07-02-2009, 07:33 PM

I think it's a good signing, but not without risk. The triangle is all about passing and cutting and the ability to hit open J's. Artest can shoot when his feet are set, but who knows if he's willing to do the dirty work of setting screens and moving w/o the ball. In Houston, he was able to jack up anything he wanted since no one else on the active roster could create a shot.

Defensively, he's bigger and stronger than Artest, but the new rules severely limit his ability to keep up with the quicker 3's and most 2's and 1's. Old rules, he could guard Chris Paul just be bullying him out of the lane; new rules, he gets burned. I can say, however, that no 3 will post him up, and some 4's couldn't do it either.

Artest doesn't rebound and can get careless passing and handling the rock.

Thus, this signing solves some problems but not all.

They still need to replace Odom or resign him.

94cc0rd · 07-02-2009, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Ok, he's getting a 5-year contract for the full MLE, around $32million. Great signing.

who? Artest?

I seriously can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Do you really think signing Artest was a good move by the Lakers?

Personally, I don't like the move. I like Ariza and think the Lakers need a player like him more than they need a player like Ron Artest. I can respect Artest's game, but I think the Lakers as a team need a guy like Ariza who hustles for loose balls and gets steals leading to fastbreak points.

It sucks that Ariza is being all about the benjamins instead of staying in LA to win more rings.

ALTRNTV · 07-02-2009, 07:47 PM

I'm exuberant over this signing. I have loved Artest as a player ever since he entered the league. His defense > Ariza's defense.
I love Ariza and what he has done for us, but LA wasn't willing to pay him more than what they thought he was worth ($5.5mil),
and I'm with them on that. No way is he worth $9mil a year. LA received the former DPOY and All-Team Defense selections for the MLE.
Mitch Kupchack comes though again.

Besides, Artest is very good friends with Kobe and Lamar. I'm sure they'll have a blast playing together.

Quote:

Kobe said that after the Lakers lost game six of the '08 NBA Finals in Boston by 39 points, he was alone in the shower, just fuming. He heard somebody walk in and assumed it was one of his teammates, or maybe a staff member. Instead, he looked up, and it was Ron Artest (to this day, Kobe has no idea how Artest got into the locker room).

"I want to come help you," Artest said. "If I can, I'm going to find a way to come to LA and give you the help you need to win a title."

Ariza has agreed to sign with the Houston Rockets. Peace out Trevor!

*revat619* · 07-02-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AkademikONE

Ariza has agreed to sign with the Houston Rockets. Peace out Trevor!

He's an idiot for that move. That franchise is gonna suck ginormous balls next year.

cxlo8331 · 07-02-2009, 09:21 PM

^^ hahaha!^^

OptionZero · 07-02-2009, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revat619

He's an idiot for that move. That franchise is gonna suck ginormous balls next year.

David Lee (agent) really fucked Ariza. Left the Lakers and got no more money in the process. Now Ariza leaves a championship team and a fanbase that loves him without a raise.

*revat619* · 07-02-2009, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

David Lee (agent) really fucked Ariza. Left the Lakers and got no more money in the process. Now Ariza leaves a championship team and a fanbase that loves him without a raise.

Exactly. What a dumb ass move.

OptionZero · 07-02-2009, 09:38 PM

It amazes me that players cannot do simple math.

Look up if a team is over the cap. If they are, you're getting the MLE. Compare that to the Lakers offer.

They look the same? Guess what, THEY ARE.

I don't believe Ben Gordon got any more money than the Bulls were offering last year; he is a lucky SOB to have gotten what he did this time. He ain't worth $55m.

SimpleS14 · 07-02-2009, 10:10 PM

wow...what a bad move by Ariza and the Lakers. I'm not a fan of Artest at all. :|

lunatyk · 07-02-2009, 11:16 PM

I'm curious to see how Artest plays as a Laker, honestly I don't see it going very well but who knows. Never been a fan of Artest or the Lakers haha...

OptionZero · 07-03-2009, 12:08 AM

some early awards:

Dumbest signing (player edition): Trevor Ariza going from "NBA Finals Contender" to "Tank for John Wall!" . . . and not getting a raise from LA's offer in the process.

Dumbest signing (GM edition): Joe Dumars. Ben Gordon. $55M/5 years. Rip Hamilton.

Dumbest trade: tie. Memphis Grizzlies, Zach Randolph for Q-Rich; Cleveland Cavaliers, Shaq for Ben Wallace's retirement and Sasha Vujacic.

Best trade: tie. Milwaukee Bucks. Oberto for Amir Johnson; San Antonio Spurs, Richard Jefferson for three guys that will get bought out and then re-sign with you.

SimpleSexy180 · 07-03-2009, 02:44 AM

It really saddens my heart that ariza left.

But, i am fine with artest comming to LA and i still see a repeat.

Vision Garage · 07-03-2009, 04:24 AM

Ouch. Why the hell did Ariza do a stupid move like that. He wont be doing much with Houston. With Yao out of the picture all of next season, Ariza will be a sitting duck! Instead of staying with LA to get another Ring, he wants a raise. Man I thought he was more about the sport until i read this shit! I guess Ariza is just a money hungry idiot. I dont see Omar asking for a raise.

ALTRNTV · 07-03-2009, 02:39 PM

Mods, lock this please.

New thread: http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/2...on-thread.html

racepar1 · 07-03-2009, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLIP

I figure if Ariza wants to play hardball and show that it is about the money and not basketball, then Artest (so long as he behaves) is a good signing.

Totally agreed. Kobe set the example by just getting it out of the way as quickly as possible with as little drama as possible. Apparently Ariza and his agent decided that he had to make more millions of dollars per year. Honestly who cares about money at that point?

I am not so worried about Artest's behavior at least for the first season. He is completely happy and is on almost certainly the best team in the league and on top of that two of his good "NBA buddies" are playing with him. Artest will be an angel by comparison next season. Besides Phil coached Rodman. I mean REALLY, how much worse could Artest POSSIBLY be. In the longer term Artest will certainly have behavior problems, but it'll take a season or two for that to happen IMO.

The bottom line is that if it wasn't for Artest's history of mis-behaving NOBODY would be questioning this trade very much. I wish Ariza would have stayed, but Artest is a completely satisfactory replacement in my book.

Bubbles · 07-03-2009, 08:30 PM

Well Rodman played like he did because it was his style, he got into peoples heads and disrupted their game. He was good at it, actually he was fucking excellent at it.

Phil knew this.

However Rodman did a lot of other stupid shit and got penalized for it.
He used to not start just as a punishment for doing something stupid even though everyone knew Kukoc would be coming out immediately.

Artest does dumb shit because.....well.........he's a dumb shit.
He'll throw off his game more than others if he gets mad enough.

**Phlip** · 07-03-2009, 08:54 PM

NBA Business is from July 1 - June 30...
That means it is now the 2009-2010 season, please continue the discussion in that thread.
http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/2...on-thread.html

07-02-2009, 06:23 PM	#1863
Bubbles Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 3,320 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'm actually referring to his intelligence. Not his game. __________________ For all the world knows, my vagina could be moist with desire as we speak.

07-02-2009, 06:32 PM	#1865
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,975 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I figure if Ariza wants to play hardball and show that it is about the money and not basketball, then Artest (so long as he behaves) is a good signing. __________________ Weirdo And I write too!

07-02-2009, 07:02 PM	#1866
revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	i was just talking to my brother on the phone for over an hour about the Artest deal. Its a great look. Ariza is a great player, but there's no way he's worth 9 mil a year. Hell, Odom lost his starting job AND was willing to take a pay cut and he's staying. If he was smart, he'd shut the hell up and take the mid-level deal and be in position to win a ring again and possibly more money next year....cuz we all know Vujachoke HAS to be coming up on the chopping block sooner or later. If he wants a ring he'll stay or go to Cleavland. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

07-02-2009, 09:21 PM	#1872
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07-02-2009, 10:10 PM	#1876
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 40 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	wow...what a bad move by Ariza and the Lakers. I'm not a fan of Artest at all. :\| __________________ *Goals are dreams with a deadline.* L.H.O.O.Q.

07-02-2009, 06:22 PM	#1862
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why do you feel that way? Artest is a defensive ace. Also, he's gonna play alongside Kobe and Odom, two of his best friends in the NBA. You're crazy if you don't think this was a good signing.

07-02-2009, 06:25 PM	#1864
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, he just made a smart move by coming to LA. He wasn't going to stay in Houston where there's no future, since Yao is out for next season, and TMac might not even be back, and even if he is, he'll probably just get injured as always. Artest wants a ring, plain and simple.

07-02-2009, 07:23 PM	#1867
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, he's getting a 5-year contract for the full MLE, around $32million. Great signing.

07-02-2009, 07:33 PM	#1868
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I think it's a good signing, but not without risk. The triangle is all about passing and cutting and the ability to hit open J's. Artest can shoot when his feet are set, but who knows if he's willing to do the dirty work of setting screens and moving w/o the ball. In Houston, he was able to jack up anything he wanted since no one else on the active roster could create a shot. Defensively, he's bigger and stronger than Artest, but the new rules severely limit his ability to keep up with the quicker 3's and most 2's and 1's. Old rules, he could guard Chris Paul just be bullying him out of the lane; new rules, he gets burned. I can say, however, that no 3 will post him up, and some 4's couldn't do it either. Artest doesn't rebound and can get careless passing and handling the rock. Thus, this signing solves some problems but not all. They still need to replace Odom or resign him.

07-02-2009, 09:38 PM	#1875
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It amazes me that players cannot do simple math. Look up if a team is over the cap. If they are, you're getting the MLE. Compare that to the Lakers offer. They look the same? Guess what, THEY ARE. I don't believe Ben Gordon got any more money than the Bulls were offering last year; he is a lucky SOB to have gotten what he did this time. He ain't worth $55m.

07-02-2009, 11:16 PM	#1877
lunatyk Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: socal Posts: 623 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I'm curious to see how Artest plays as a Laker, honestly I don't see it going very well but who knows. Never been a fan of Artest or the Lakers haha...

07-03-2009, 12:08 AM	#1878
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 40 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	some early awards: Dumbest signing (player edition): Trevor Ariza going from "NBA Finals Contender" to "Tank for John Wall!" . . . and not getting a raise from LA's offer in the process. Dumbest signing (GM edition): Joe Dumars. Ben Gordon. $55M/5 years. Rip Hamilton. Dumbest trade: tie. Memphis Grizzlies, Zach Randolph for Q-Rich; Cleveland Cavaliers, Shaq for Ben Wallace's retirement and Sasha Vujacic. Best trade: tie. Milwaukee Bucks. Oberto for Amir Johnson; San Antonio Spurs, Richard Jefferson for three guys that will get bought out and then re-sign with you.

07-03-2009, 02:44 AM	#1879
SimpleSexy180 Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cal Posts: 4,750 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: SimpleSexy180 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	It really saddens my heart that ariza left. But, i am fine with artest comming to LA and i still see a repeat.

07-03-2009, 04:24 AM	#1880
Vision Garage Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USDM Land Posts: 1,799 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Ouch. Why the hell did Ariza do a stupid move like that. He wont be doing much with Houston. With Yao out of the picture all of next season, Ariza will be a sitting duck! Instead of staying with LA to get another Ring, he wants a raise. Man I thought he was more about the sport until i read this shit! I guess Ariza is just a money hungry idiot. I dont see Omar asking for a raise. __________________

07-03-2009, 02:39 PM	#1881
ALTRNTV Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western Conference Posts: 9,429 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mods, lock this please. New thread: http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/2...on-thread.html

07-03-2009, 08:30 PM	#1883
Bubbles Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 3,320 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well Rodman played like he did because it was his style, he got into peoples heads and disrupted their game. He was good at it, actually he was fucking excellent at it. Phil knew this. However Rodman did a lot of other stupid shit and got penalized for it. He used to not start just as a punishment for doing something stupid even though everyone knew Kukoc would be coming out immediately. Artest does dumb shit because.....well.........he's a dumb shit. He'll throw off his game more than others if he gets mad enough. __________________ For all the world knows, my vagina could be moist with desire as we speak.

07-03-2009, 08:54 PM	#1884
Phlip Yes, I look like that Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In my supervillain's lair Posts: 27,975 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: Phlip Feedback Score: 19 reviews	NBA Business is from July 1 - June 30... That means it is now the 2009-2010 season, please continue the discussion in that thread. http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/2...on-thread.html __________________ Weirdo And I write too!