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Old 08-14-2019, 01:20 PM   #121
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The abolish ice platform is retarded. I cannot support any candidate who runs on it. ICE needs some fixing sure. A better process with the interment camps for sure.


All countries need some type of border protection and enforcement, plain and simple. Try to just stroll up to Canada and see what the fuck happens.
You know ICE was created in 2003, right?

The US wasn't some open border wild west in 2002.

Just like DHS was created in 2002.

This stuff literally didn't exist when all of us posting in this thread were sentient human beings.
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You know ICE was created in 2003, right?

The US wasn't some open border wild west in 2002.

Just like DHS was created in 2002.

This stuff literally didn't exist when all of us posting in this thread were sentient human beings.
Are you fucking retarded or are you just lacking any sense of integrity?

ICE was created as a result of 9/11 Terrorist attacks by combining US Immigration Enforcement and US Customs. Two totally independent agencies are now one to improve communication and efficientcy.

And yes, the US was and still is an open boarder wild west. How else did 30 million illegal aliens get here? How did a dozen men slip in and stay on expired Visas to kill 3,000 Americans if it wasn't a fucked up wild west?

God you are twat.

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You know ICE was created in 2003, right?

The US wasn't some open border wild west in 2002.

Just like DHS was created in 2002.

This stuff literally didn't exist when all of us posting in this thread were sentient human beings.
What Corbic said.

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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement was formed pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, following the events of September 11, 2001. With the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, the functions and jurisdictions of several border and revenue enforcement agencies were combined and consolidated into U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Consequently, ICE is the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, and the second largest contributor to the nation's Joint Terrorism Task Force.
Since that act ICE is in charge of protecting the borders. I acknowledged there are issues with ICE. However, we will always need some type of border enforcement.

Even Sweden enacted border control

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...gration-policy

With current potus it seems he is focusing on overall numbers vs deporting actual criminals.

I think this (and the media) is why everyone has a thing about trumps deportation policy.

I like the way Obama went about deportation.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...r-chief-or-not

I get it that people who have lived here illegally for years are breaking the law however so is everyone that buys weed from any “legal” pot shop.

I think Trump should focus on recent border crossings and anyone with a criminal history.

If someone has been here years, has kids, no criminal record imo let’s pas them up for the person who is affiliating with MS13.

I also wish the potus and ICE would target the companies that hire illegals. Heavy fines and or jail time.
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With current potus it seems he is focusing on overall numbers vs deporting actual criminals.

I think this (and the media) is why everyone has a thing about trumps deportation policy.
I disagree.

I think the media, DNC Elites and Left didn't care under Obama because they felt they had finally destroyed the GOP and the Right.

Bush narrowly made it in and Obama was a grand slam. All the polling and "experts" estimated Trump and the GOP had no chance. The DNC really thought a 100 year one party reign was in their grasp.

It didn't happen.

The number of moderate and right of center Americans shocked them. The unions, working class and white women betrayed the DNC and voted T$.

So here we are... Two years of shrieking about Russians, White Naizists and Mexicans in Cages.

Trump has supported expanding immigration for people with actual work skills, the problem is these would be from India and Asian.

Let's call a spade a spade. The DNC wants 3rd world immigrants who support socialism/communism because they want to inflate their voter base. They want Texas, Arizona, Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Indiana to turn forever blue.

This is why they are in hysterics over any attempt to stem the tied of South American immigration.

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Corey Booker, seems good. Kamala a little questionable in regards to her stance on Marijuana and Prison Profit.

Yang seems like a disaster,.

Wish I could have Obama back.
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Corey Booker, seems good. Kamala a little questionable in regards to her stance on Marijuana and Prison Profit.

Yang seems like a disaster,.

Wish I could have Obama back.


Kamala is a big hell no for me.



Booker seems decent. I don't care for his stance on reparations. I also don't see how his baby bonds idea would financially work. His federal jobs guarantee sounds like a disaster waiting.


Like the other dems he wants to ban "assault" weapons. So yea a big no for me.


I really like his stances on the drug war and prison reform.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...of_Cory_Booker




Here is some for them all
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...ary_candidates
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It will be Biden, and Warren as Vice President. As long as Bidden adopts her plans he will have the best shot. E.W. plans are well thought out and she had a few economist crunch the numbers to ensure her plans could work for the American people.
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Warren is by far the best option.

Biden should drop out. Dude has way more negative baggage than Clinton & he can't stop saying the wrong things.
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A segment of the population will not vote for women on the top of the ticket. It's said to say, but it's the truth. People want a return to normal and Biden can provide this.
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It will be Biden, and Warren as Vice President. As long as Bidden adopts her plans he will have the best shot. E.W. plans are well thought out and she had a few economist crunch the numbers to ensure her plans could work for the American people.
Biden could have locked it down when asked "do you support free health care for illegal aliens" all he had to do was give the middle finger.

Saddly, it's a race to the leftist bottom of free shit give away and extremist pandering. The DNC will again be shocked when "normal" America votes for Trump despite him being a bigoted orange neo Nazi racist whamen hating Russian spy.
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A segment of the population will not vote for women on the top of the ticket. It's said to say, but it's the truth. People want a return to normal and Biden can provide this.
There's also a segment of the population that won't vote for a 70 year old man with a lot of problematic legislation & statements in his past.

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Biden could have locked it down when asked "do you support free health care for illegal aliens" all he had to do was give the middle finger.

Saddly, it's a race to the leftist bottom of free shit give away and extremist pandering. The DNC will again be shocked when "normal" America votes for Trump despite him being a bigoted orange neo Nazi racist whamen hating Russian spy.
Corbic,

Democrats don't want to vote for a Republican. Just accept you belong to the party of racists & at least you'll gain the good fortune of being honest with yourself.
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man, the more this baby guy keeps talking the more he sounds like a 16yo lol

Anyway.... how about that biden liking even the bad races uh? lol wasnt that funny af
And that beto stopping at a gun show? Must have been hard to find the right fudds.
That martian looking mf castro instigating violence and division in his home town by pointing at companies that donated to trump.
And that maher guy? Rich SOB wishing millions to suffer through a recession only because of his hate for ONE guy??? Pfffff.... talk about TDS

Funny how most of those who complain about trumps america are doing pretty good...
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*Calls someone 16 yo*

*proceeds to write a post that reads like an illiterate eighth grader's attempt to mock some kids on the playground*

And yeah, in a crazy twist, many people who are doing fairly well in life also want good things for other people...they just happen to not be Republicans.

Also, everything Castro shared is public record. If you don't want that info out there, don't be a shitty person.
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gbaby: I agree with you 100%! Our elected officials from all parties need to be called out for this shit. As an American citizen you are entitled to know if your Politicians is being paid by lobbyist/ corporations. This is one of the reasons why The Freedom of Information Act was passed. It is also up to the citizens to hold our Politicians accountable for this shit. In order, Politicians care about their financial interest, their legacy, political parties success, and then the needs of the populist. This is my opinion!
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*Calls someone 16 yo*

*proceeds to write a post that reads like an illiterate eighth grader's attempt to mock some kids on the playground*

And yeah, in a crazy twist, many people who are doing fairly well in life also want good things for other people...they just happen to not be Republicans.

Also, everything Castro shared is public record. If you don't want that info out there, don't be a shitty person.
Man you are the biggest elitist prick Iíve ever come across online. Period. Your arrogance knows no bounds. Thatís not even a personal attacking, itís a matter of fact.

This attitude is the exact reason Trump is in the WH. And entire party that thinks like this is down right scary.

Just wow.
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gbaby: I agree with you 100%! Our elected officials from all parties need to be called out for this shit. As an American citizen you are entitled to know if your Politicians is being paid by lobbyist/ corporations. This is one of the reasons why The Freedom of Information Act was passed. It is also up to the citizens to hold our Politicians accountable for this shit. In order, Politicians care about their financial interest, their legacy, political parties success, and then the needs of the populist. This is my opinion!
I'm not even sure they care about their legacy, largely because it all gets forgotten anyway. It is all about the benjamins man.

Under GW Bush, SO MUCH STUFF went wrong and as soon as Obama was elected, that all seemed to be forgotten. Now people are actively saying things like, "I MISS GW, HE WASN'T GREAT BUT AT LEAST HE SEEMED CHARMING," and other stuff like that. People think Reagan was some sort of freedom hero when he built his power on baseless accusations of communism at his political rivals in Hollywood during the McCarthyist years. Etc.

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Man you are the biggest elitist prick Iíve ever come across online. Period. Your arrogance knows no bounds. Thatís not even a personal attacking, itís a matter of fact.

This attitude is the exact reason Trump is in the WH. And entire party that thinks like this is down right scary.

Just wow.
It is not my fault or Castro's fault that you're ignorant of how donating to candidates works and the things that it comes with.

And no, my attitude is not the reason Trump won. You and I never interacted once before Trump was elected, you're just not someone who cares about other people.

Knowing the truth and expecting a basic level of competency from people is not elitist, your ignorance is not my fault & you shouldn't get a pass for it.
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And that beto stopping at a gun show? Must have been hard to find the right fudds....
Beto is a dumbass.
No wonder T$ has record support from African Americans. Twenty Eight Mother Fucking Percent. 28%!!! One in Four!

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And no, my attitude is not the reason Trump won. You and I never interacted once before Trump was elected, you're just not someone who cares about other people.

Knowing the truth and expecting a basic level of competency from people is not elitist, your ignorance is not my fault & you shouldn't get a pass for it.
Youíre right. Holding a Make A Wish fundraiser at home home for more than 150 people and raising thousands of dollars annually, and having new born screening procedures changed in the state of WI (literally effectively every child that has been born in this state since 2012) to help catch more children that could be at risk of rare diseases. Not to mention the other volunteering my wife and I do throughout the year (some where I donate my professional services that would cost thousands of dollars for a single day).

You donít know a mother fucking thing about me, who I am, where I grew up or my life experiences.

And itís not just your arrogance, itís your whole fucking party.

Right now the Left and the MSM are PRAYING for a recession so Trumps chances of re-election are reduced. Literally hoping peopleís retirement funds get partially wiped away. Literally hoping tens of thousands of people lose their jobs. Itís fucking sadistic.
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You’re right. Holding a Make A Wish fundraiser at home home for more than 150 people and raising thousands of dollars annually, and having new born screening procedures changed in the state of WI (literally effectively every child that has been born in this state since 2012) to help catch more children that could be at risk of rare diseases. Not to mention the other volunteering my wife and I do throughout the year (some where I donate my professional services that would cost thousands of dollars for a single day).

You don’t know a mother fucking thing about me, who I am, where I grew up or my life experiences.

And it’s not just your arrogance, it’s your whole fucking party.

Right now the Left and the MSM are PRAYING for a recession so Trumps chances of re-election are reduced. Literally hoping people’s retirement funds get partially wiped away. Literally hoping tens of thousands of people lose their jobs. It’s fucking sadistic.
Cool, volunteering to do things that should already be taken care of in the richest country in the world hell yeah man.

I know more about you than you'd like to admit, you're exactly the standard type of chud that populates all of Milwaukee's suburbs/exurbs.

No one is hoping for a recession, acknowledging that one is imminent is different than hoping for one.

Capitalism is cyclical, boom > bust > boom > bust, that's simply how it works. The warning signs that one is coming soon are all here clear as day.

I swear, you guys that claim to champion capitalism don't understand it one bit.

Also that HotepJesus bot has as little understanding of American history as you, it makes sense you'd love his tweet.
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Cool, volunteering to do things that should already be taken care of in the richest country in the world hell yeah man.

I know more about you than you'd like, Mel.

No one is hoping for a recession, acknowledging that one is imminent is different than hoping for one.

Capitalism is cyclical, boom > bust > boom > bust, that's simply how it works. The warning signs that one is coming soon are all here clear as day.

I swear, you guys that claim to champion capitalism don't understand it one bit.

Also that HotepJesus bot has as little understanding of American history as you, it makes sense you'd love his tweet.
And he's gone. What a sack of shit.
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Trump does not have record support from the African American populist! In every poll Trumps approval rating by African Americans ranges from 13-28%. Simple google search!
No Republican President has every had over 38% percent approval by African Americans in the past 40years. If 28% is a mark to be proud of, this Country has hit a new low!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...-go-back%3famp
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No Republican President has every had over 38% percent approval by African Americans in the past 40years. If 28% is a mark to be proud of, this Country has hit a new low!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill...-go-back%3famp
Youíre missing the point. Trump won before with less than 10% of the black vote. If he is anywhere near 30% (because people are getting real woke) with the black vote come next year that will be yuuuge. A 5% increase would be significant.
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A quick look at the numbers from the 2016 presidential election: In 2016, there were 231,556,622 voting-eligible citizens in the United States ó out of that number, only 6.5 percent were Black. The number of eligible voters for 2020 will only rise by 100k compared to 2016. African Americans will only make up 6.7-6.8 % of all eligible voters. There are 47.4 million A.Americans in the U.S. 30 million are eligible to vote. In 2018 midterm African Americans voted 90% Democratic, leaving 10% for Republicans and Libertarian Candidates. A poll is only a segment of a populist and has a margin of error. If 2018 is a preview for 2020 there is no way in hell the President will get 10% of the African American vote.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...der-education/
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essa...20-electorate/


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Youíre missing the point. Trump won before with less than 10% of the black vote. If he is anywhere near 30% (because people are getting real woke) with the black vote come next year that will be yuuuge. A 5% increase would be significant.
Exactly, the "worse then racist" President is polling stronger then Bush, McCain or Romulon.

It shows two things:

A. We have an increasing number of Black Americans that realize rich white liberals don't have their best interest in mind. Black's are just props for the #victim crowd and mindless votes for the elite.

B. The Economy. Blacks have had a record comeback from the last 12 years. The Obama Utopia did little to move the needle. Contrast that with the DNC promising free green cards and health care to illegal aliens - which does zilch to help struggling black communities or build upon black success.

I don't think the average black man gives a shit that T$ grabs them bitches by the pussy as long as he's getting salary increases and overtime letting him put food on the table. We'll leave that to the Vox Bloggers to rage about.
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No one is hoping for a recession, acknowledging that one is imminent is different than hoping for one. .


Bill Maher literally is hoping for one.

This is him doubling down on it.

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Now that is some high class fuckery there. You hate the president so much you are ok with people losing jobs just to get him out of office? Get the fuck out of here with that.


I am no Trump fan but I would never WANT something bad to happen just so he can get out of office. Regardless of how I personally feel, he still is the president. He is leading the country I fucking live in. I wish only for him to have the great success.
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I don't think the average black man gives a shit that T$ grabs them bitches by the pussy as long as he's getting salary increases and overtime letting him put food on the table. We'll leave that to the Vox Bloggers to rage about.
Heads up, the economy grew much more significantly under Obama than it has under Donald Duke.

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Bill Maher literally is hoping for one.

This is him doubling down on it.

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Maher is centrist, he's much farther to the right than I. TBH, corbic probably would agree with him if he'd just call himself a republican.

But yeah, I'll happily say Bill Maher sucks.
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^^^^Devils advocate. Obama had 8 years to grow the economy. Trump has had 3. I am not going to argue the economy of who did better. Just pointing out it is honestly kind of hard to get a true apples to apples comparison. Also Obama got handed a down economy. It is possible the economy good behave like people losing weight. A fat person would lose more weight than a skinny person as they have more to lose. IE a bad economy (fat) could increase faster than an already good (skinny) economy.




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Maher is centrist, he's much farther to the right than I. TBH, corbic probably would agree with him if he'd just call himself a republican. .


As a centrist he seems lefty to me. Not saying being a lefty is a bad thing. Just seems to be where he falls.
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^^^^Devils advocate. Obama had 8 years to grow the economy. Trump has had 3. I am not going to argue the economy of who did better. Just pointing out it is honestly kind of hard to get a true apples to apples comparison. Also Obama got handed a down economy. It is possible the economy good behave like people losing weight. A fat person would lose more weight than a skinny person as they have more to lose. IE a bad economy (fat) could increase faster than an already good (skinny) economy.
You're right. Obama was took office in the midst of the worst economic recession this country has seen since WWII. He and a democratic congress navigated the country out of that with grace.

Trump then inherited the country with strong economic numbers (at least on Wall Street, inequality has been problematic for decades and has only gotten worse in Trump's three years) and has.....let it stagnate?

I don't think the President deserves credit for economies booming, because it is simply a cycle. Obama didn't fix the economy, I don't like the way the bailouts were handled, etc.

That said, Trump's trade wars have absolutely done more harm than good to the average American.

But hey, Trump hates college educated liberals AND rural farmers, so that's good right?

Also fun, 59% of Republicans think college & higher learning have made America worse. Republicans really do want us all fat & ignorant.

https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essa...her-education/

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As a centrist he seems lefty to me. Not saying being a lefty is a bad thing. Just seems to be where he falls.
To me, as a lefty, he seems like a republican. it is all relative.
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^^^^Devils advocate. Obama had 8 years to grow the economy. Trump has had 3. I am not going to argue the economy of who did better. Just pointing out it is honestly kind of hard to get a true apples to apples comparison. Also Obama got handed a down economy. It is possible the economy good behave like people losing weight. A fat person would lose more weight than a skinny person as they have more to lose. IE a bad economy (fat) could increase faster than an already good (skinny) economy.








As a centrist he seems lefty to me. Not saying being a lefty is a bad thing. Just seems to be where he falls.
https://www.amazon.com/New-Deal-Raw-.../dp/1416592377

Good read. Strong post mortom of how FDR's "New Deal" basically made a depression into a "Great Depression" and prolonged it's recovery. He did it to maintain power and control over the DNC.

Much of Obamas administration can be critiqued in the same was. We wasted trillions on feel good spending that only hampered recovery. Hell, much of the 2008 Crisis could be blamed on bad policies enacted over the previous 20 years, which included Bill Clinton and several DNC controlled Senate's.

No one is blameless, but there is something to say about positive energy and optimism. Obama was a rerun of Jimmy Carter and his "better mileage" plan. "Americans need to learn to live with less, inflation is the new normal, we shouldn't expect to be #1 forever."

He got his teeth kicked in by the boombastic Movie star that was "Die you Commie Bastards, America, Fuck Yeah!!" and we saw an economic explosion that pretty much lasted till 2008...(with some corrections).

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