The Future Automotive Thread

[simmode1]

Man, Corbic in here spittin'...

Totally agree man. It's 2020 but let ppl see a nicely done Z32 and most of the braindead masses literally can't tell the difference between it and a Lambo or Ferrari.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by simmode1

It's 2020 but let ppl see a nicely done Z32 and most of the braindead masses literally can't tell the difference between it and a Lambo or Ferrari.

[exitspeed]

I realize some of you guys would rather see contemporary take on the 300zx vs an S30, but this guy has me convinced the latter would look amazing. It?s more Ferrari or F Type then Lambo, but I?d buy this for $55k with 400hp is a fucking second.







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[exitspeed]

Here’s a time lapse of the design work

https://youtu.be/egO-zaREBGY

[Dutchmalmiss]

Front looks very Taycan'esque. Rear looks AMG GT'esque with a duckbill wing. That looks like a $45-50k car worth having.

[BryanSayWhat]

My only problem with cars designed like that is how do you make them your own?

It seems like wheels and tires would be the only thing you could do to distinguish yourself from others. No aftermarket lip kit options, rear valances, diffusers, Etc..

I'm also not talking about bolt-on widebody/ Rocket Bunny shit, because we all know that will be inevitable anyway...

[exitspeed]

Really? You can’t imagine adding a lip kit or a additional wing or some other flourishes onto that? Huh. Interesting.

[BryanSayWhat]

I could see a rear wing, but I feel like the front and side just seem already complete. Almost like adding anything to it would look out of place?

Could also be the lack of body lines that's messing me up... lol

[simmode1]

That render look sweet, but the hood is loooong AF. No reason to be that long unless they are moving back to the Inline 6's, which they aren't. Since they're doubling down on the V6s and the VR30DDTT will likely be the stump of choice, I still think a Z32 retro homage to rival Lambos is the right play. To this day, ppl still talk about the Z32/Diablo connection from their headlights.

[Fries]

That render IS sweet. I'm hopeful for something cool, but not holding my breath. It's neat that the 86 is finally coming turbo'd. I'm guessing BMW engine this time around, but I dont know how those 4cyl handle power. The engine in the Zupra is pretty damn stout!

[exitspeed]

Originally Posted by simmode1

That render look sweet, but the hood is loooong AF. No reason to be that long unless they are moving back to the Inline 6's, which they aren't. Since they're doubling down on the V6s and the VR30DDTT will likely be the stump of choice, I still think a Z32 retro homage to rival Lambos is the right play. To this day, ppl still talk about the Z32/Diablo connection from their headlights.

You guys need to get this idea of it looking like a lambo out yo damn heads. The GTR is a legit super car and doesn’t look like a lambo or even a super car for that matter.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by Fries

It's neat that the 86 is finally coming turbo'd. I'm guessing BMW engine this time around, but I dont know how those 4cyl handle power.

The GR86 has been "supposedly" leaked that it's going to have a 2.4L turbo boxer and make 255-260hp.

If similar to the the current Ascent 2.4L... We can probably expect that these cars will make 270hp/ 300tq with just an Accessport 93 tune.

[Fries]

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

The GR86 has been "supposedly" leaked that it's going to have a 2.4L turbo boxer and make 255-260hp.

If similar to the the current Ascent 2.4L... We can probably expect that these cars will make 270hp/ 300tq with just an Accessport 93 tune.

Ahhh well that would be okay. I?m don?t have the strongest opinion of Subaru?s engines lately, but 270whp (I hope) would be fun. The article I read said they were unsure whether is was the Subaru 2.4 or BMW 2.4 to keep inline with the GR nameplate and the Supra.

[exitspeed]

We talked about that a coupe pages back. I’m very interested.

[Future240]

Same here.

I’d really like a boosted BRZ. It’d be like a new S-chassis.

[e1_griego]

If it's not too heavy (and classed well for autox) I'll prob part my 2013 brz out and buy the new one.

I'm really hoping shocks and diff swap over (and subaru is usually good about not making changes through generations so fingers crossed).

[spooled240]

Plot twist: To keep costs down the car will come standard with 4 lug hubs and the new 2.4L is a truck motor

What would you guys be willing to pay for one? $40k?

[DRIFTER-M]

Originally Posted by spooled240

Plot twist: To keep costs down the car will come standard with 4 lug hubs and the new 2.4L is a truck motor

What would you guys be willing to pay for one? $40k?

Boosted 86? Or the New Z?

If 86 - it better start at or under 30k. It's already overpriced and underpowered. If Z - Mid 30s? Upper 30s? Nissan has zero brand trust currently, they have to be competitive.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by Future240

It'd be like a new S-chassis.

It' hard to believe that the S15 (turbo) was the last coupe of it's kind...

*Edit: Forgot that the FD also stopped being produced in 2002.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

Boosted 86? Or the New Z?

If 86 - it better start at or under 30k. It's already overpriced and underpowered. If Z - Mid 30s? Upper 30s? Nissan has zero brand trust currently, they have to be competitive.

woooooosssshhhhh

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

It' hard to believe that the S15 (turbo) was the last coupe of it's kind...

*Edit: Forgot that the FD also stopped being produced in 2002.

The Miata and Genesis would both like a word with you.

Unless you mean last S-chassis. Then yea. At least they went out with a bang.

IMO the S15 is the best looking of all the S-chassis, seconded by the kouki Silvia K with all the jdm aero which is typed with the 180sx with the kouki aero (or type X as most of you know it)

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by Future240

The Miata and Genesis would both like a word with you.

Unless you mean last S-chassis. Then yea. At least they went out with a bang.

IMO the S15 is the best looking of all the S-chassis, seconded by the kouki Silvia K with all the jdm aero which is typed with the 180sx with the kouki aero (or type X as most of you know it)

I was more indicating to the fact that the s15 (turbo) was the last turbo, FR, 250hp and sub 2999lb coupe ever offered. Then I remembered that the FD is technically a 2-door coupe and fits that criteria, but still has a hatch.

The S2000 would probably be the closest to the power and weight after 2002, but is obviously NA and a convertible.

If the GR86 manages to be sub 2999lbs (which I think it will) it will technically be the closest match to the S15 (turbo), since it was discontinued. Which is crazy to think that it's taken this long.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

Boosted 86? Or the New Z?

If 86 - it better start at or under 30k. It's already overpriced and underpowered. If Z - Mid 30s? Upper 30s? Nissan has zero brand trust currently, they have to be competitive.

The 86 is already at $27k. I hate to sound like a pessimist because I am stoked that they are actually boosting this thing, but I predict it will be at least $35k..probably closer to $40k w/ basic options.

[BryanSayWhat]

Originally Posted by spooled240

The 86 is already at $27k. I hate to sound like a pessimist because I am stoked that they are actually boosting this thing, but I predict it will be at least $35k..probably closer to $40k w/ basic options.

The WRX starts at 27.5K and it's turbo, AWD and has 4-doors... I predict that the base turbo GR86 is going to be just under 30K.

I just don't see it costing as much, or more than a current gen STI (unless it's a special edition that comes with brembo brakes and tuned suspension).

[Future240]

Originally Posted by spooled240

The 86 is already at $27k. I hate to sound like a pessimist because I am stoked that they are actually boosting this thing, but I predict it will be at least $35k..probably closer to $40k w/ basic options.

It can't be. That would put it right up against the pony cars.

EcoBoost Manual
$26,670
EcoBoost Automatic
$28,265
EcoBoost Premium Manual
$31,685

GT Manual Coupe
$35,630
GT Automatic Coupe
$37,225


1LS Manual
$25,000


1SS, $37,000.

[exitspeed]

Yeah I’d guess it’ll cost roughly the same. Even though we’re seeing this as a big improvement it’s not moving upmarket at all. And like Future pointed out, it can’t compete directly with the pony cars on the market.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yeah I?d guess it?ll cost roughly the same. Even though we?re seeing this as a big improvement it?s not moving upmarket at all. And like Future pointed out, it can?t compete directly with the pony cars on the market.

I think it being such a niche vehicle nulls the brand's concerns about price, no? Miata price range is the same as the Mustang basically.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Dutchmalmiss

I think it being such a niche vehicle nulls the brand's concerns about price, no? Miata price range is the same as the Mustang basically.

The Miata has the name sake, history and sales to justify it's price.

The GT86/FRS/BRZ triplets have the name, but nothing else.

Mazda MX-5 ? US ? By Year
2017 11,294
2018 8,971
2019 7,753

Subaru BRZ ? US ? By Year
2017 4,131
2018 3,834
2019 2,334

Toyota 86 ? US ? By Year
2017 6,846
2018 4,133
2019 3,398

[spooled240]

Assuming that they will still offer a N/A base model, I imagine it starting around the current N/A base of $27k.

[DRIFTER-M]

Originally Posted by Future240

woooooosssshhhhh

I thought he was referring to 2 different things, the sarcastic price savings portion separated by an actual question - I thought this because of the spacing, but I could be incorrect.

Originally Posted by spooled240

The 86 is already at $27k. I hate to sound like a pessimist because I am stoked that they are actually boosting this thing, but I predict it will be at least $35k..probably closer to $40k w/ basic options.

Originally Posted by BryanSayWhat

The WRX starts at 27.5K and it's turbo, AWD and has 4-doors... I predict that the base turbo GR86 is going to be just under 30K.

I just don't see it costing as much, or more than a current gen STI (unless it's a special edition that comes with brembo brakes and tuned suspension).

Originally Posted by Future240

It can't be. That would put it right up against the pony cars.

EcoBoost Manual
$26,670
EcoBoost Automatic
$28,265
EcoBoost Premium Manual
$31,685

GT Manual Coupe
$35,630
GT Automatic Coupe
$37,225


1LS Manual
$25,000


1SS, $37,000.

This is my thing. If it was mid 30s, it is competing with cars punching well above it's weight (at least on paper); GT, BMW 2 series, STI, Z, etc. That just doesn't make sense.

And yes, one could argue that it is currently 27k+, and that is a valid argument - but it has been constantly (and rightfully) pinged because it is underpowered and overpriced. You can't increase the price and expect it to keep selling when it... isn't selling anyway. That being said - hashtag Toyota. So who knows. Under 30, turbo and current design and similar weight = an absolute beast that I would have a lot of trouble turning down.

[spooled240]

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

I thought he was referring to 2 different things, the sarcastic price savings portion separated by an actual question - I thought this because of the spacing, but I could be incorrect.

It was an actual question.

Originally Posted by DRIFTER-M

This is my thing. If it was mid 30s, it is competing with cars punching well above it's weight (at least on paper); GT, BMW 2 series, STI, Z, etc. That just doesn't make sense.

And yes, one could argue that it is currently 27k+, and that is a valid argument - but it has been constantly (and rightfully) pinged because it is underpowered and overpriced. You can't increase the price and expect it to keep selling when it... isn't selling anyway. That being said - hashtag Toyota. So who knows. Under 30, turbo and current design and similar weight = an absolute beast that I would have a lot of trouble turning down.

It just doesn't seem like Toyota(or any Japanese car manufacturer) to offer more performance for the same price. They are going to have to offer the N/A base for $23k which is dirt cheap and a slap in the face for anyone who just bought the car for $27-$30k. I could be wrong and maybe Toyota will pull the rabbit out of the hat this time. I hope I'm wrong.

Ran into this article searching for original MSRP for the s15 spec R:

http://www.superstreetonline.com/fea...a-spec-r-turbo

Conversely, the Silvia R-Spec's sticker price is 2.6 million yen or $23,634 fully loaded. If it does come to the states it will probably double in price to about $46,000-still an incredible bargain, with excellent fuel economy to boot.

$46k seems a bit too high, considering the s14 was in mid $20's. It probably would have been around $35k. A 2003 Mustang Cobra was $40k lol

My point is, special/performance Japanese cars are and have always been expensive.