The 2020 Presidential Race

[KA24DESOneThree]

Amy Coney Barrett's support for stare decisis could be good or bad, Constitutionally-speaking.

Her lack of experience (less than three years in the 7th Circuit) could, again, be good or bad. It could mean that she's inexperienced and hasn't found her voice, or it could mean that she hasn't lost her idealism (which again may not necessarily be a positive of itself given her personal views, although she has said they would not affect her decisions as a justice).

She's a member of some Christian cult-y-thing called People of Praise. Note that this is biased opinion, because I regard almost all groups in which people "swear a lifelong oath of loyalty to one another, and are assigned and accountable to a personal adviser" cult-y.

Barbara Lagoa has more experience and has not made her faith such a large part of her public persona. She also doesn't have as much information readily available.

The idea of more staunch theists on the court disturbs me. We need at least one atheist in a significant position of power; the United States was founded as a secular nation and it needs to have checks to that end.

PS- Unbiased America leans right, homie. Follow the citations.

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Love to see the left melt down over her.

Lol who hurt you? Must have been deeeep in your butt if you’re so obsessed with trolling the left that you’d support such an under-qualified candidate.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by deolio

Lol who hurt you? Must have been deeeep in your butt if you?re so obsessed with trolling the left that you?d support such an under-qualified candidate.

Oh? What are the qualifications, can you send me over the job posting?

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by deolio

Must have been deeeep in your butt if you?re so obsessed with trolling the left that you?d support such an under-qualified candidate.

All bets are off. The far left (including RBG) has made that clear, already. You can thank them for that precedent.

[Future240]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Oh? What are the qualifications, can you send me over the job posting?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...to-know-418378

Her record
Barrett has served less than three years on the 7th Circuit after working as a law professor at Notre Dame University for nearly two decades.

Her short tenure on the bench means there?s been little time to develop a body of legal opinions, which lawmakers from both sides of the aisle would likely scrutinize. Republicans, having been burned in the past by GOP presidents? nominees who ended up voting more liberally, would also likely demand reassurances from Barrett before granting her a lifetime appointment to the court.

vs

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...a-lagoa-418437

A deep legal background
After graduating from Columbia Law School, Lagoa worked as a pro bono lawyer for Elian Gonzalez?s family and later as a federal prosecutor. Lagoa then spent more than a decade as a judge on a Florida appeals court before being picked by Gov. Ron DeSantis to serve on the state?s supreme court.

"She has been the essence of what a judge should be,? DeSantis said when he nominated her.

Lagoa is clearly more qualified. Honestly I cannot see why Trump is even considering Barrett.

Who cares about her religion. That is her personal life. When it comes to be a judge that part should not be celebrated or demonized.

I am strongly believer in a separation of church and state. With more tenure and if she does not allow her religious beliefs to influence her decisions I can see her being a good candidate down the road.

[zombiewolf513]

"SHES AGAINST ABORTION OMG ITS BC OF HER RELIGION"

I can already hear the bullshit now.

[SupaDoopa]

Man, imagine. Another 4 years and yet another young SCOTUS entry. Y'all gonna be taking to the streets with your little signs and sad faces preaching about social injustice and shit and the rest of us gonna be laughing eating our mac and cheese. I love a good mac and cheese.

[S14rebuild]

Spent sunday all day on the water down here in florida..and wow..all the trump flags from all the boats flown in the wind. All the flag loles on with trump flags on the intercoastal. Felt amazing!!

[deolio]

How many boats sunk out of irony?

[S14rebuild]

Originally Posted by deolio

How many boats sunk out of irony?

Not 1

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

Spent sunday all day on the water down here in florida..and wow..all the trump flags from all the boats flown in the wind. All the flag loles on with trump flags on the intercoastal. Felt amazing!!

[S14rebuild]

Lol people enjoying the open waters and comfort of fellow people with similar ideas....ohhh no! Such a horrible thing! Stop it now!!

No to boat parades....YES to riots!

[R@ddy]

Im just here to show off my signature.

[S14rebuild]

https://youtu.be/LxiTGFvE2Y4

Wow...florida taken the lead on this.

Theres no way anyone should be against this...this is for the saftey and security of Americans lives

[R@ddy]

Originally Posted by S14rebuild

https://youtu.be/LxiTGFvE2Y4

Wow...florida taken the lead on this.

Theres no way anyone should be against this...this is for the saftey and security of Americans lives

beautiful!!!

[deolio]

Red bois always preach about the first amendment, but then they champion legislation that threatens that very thing just because their surface understanding of the laws are that it will only effect BLM protesters. Not only are they hypocrites (I know, they don't care), but also idiots who clearly would cut off their nose to spite their face.




so dumb it hurts.




Some food for thought for those of you on the left and right, as I sit atop my Libertarian high horse in the middle

You have to stop trying to ?gotcha? Republicans. They don?t care. They don?t care if they?re hypocrites, they don?t care if they?re following the fascist playbook, they don?t fucking care. ?Oooh, remember when Mitch McConnell said this?? He doesn?t give a shit. Global banks reported $2 trillion in suspicious transactions through western banks over the past two decades. This country is a Ponzi scheme. He?s just another guy from the smoke-filled room cashing fat checks. And all voting Republican rubes care about is ?fuck liberals and the left? even if it?s at their own expense, and the Democratic Party is at best performative resistance. Everybody at the top just keeps raking in more money off our complacency and compliance; laughing while we bicker amongst ourselves like a bunch of helpless lemmings.

It?s hard to talk about this stuff sometimes because so many people are still so wrapped up in the minutiae; the ?nuance? of it all. Nothing is to be gained from pointing out the ?nuances? anymore. Get out of that NPR mindset; in fact, turn that middling garbage off and never listen to it again. Fascism is happening according to everyone who knows a Goddamn thing about the subject, the rich welcome it if it keeps them rich, and we?re all on our own. Your right-wing neighbors are so far off the deep-end that they spend their free time fantasizing about murdering you, and that?s why you should probably own a gun or some other form of self-defense; everybody?s scared, but some people are fucking dangerous when they?re scared. The cops aren?t going to side with ?the people? and we?ll be incredibly lucky if the military does.

They?ll have filled RBG?s seat by next week. It?s over. What happens to you now depends on two things: 1. luck and 2. preparedness.

What else is there to even say at this point? When will ?liberals? figure out that the time for negotiations has long passed? The oligarchs have succeeded at duping half the country into thinking they?re fucking Paul Revere if they kill the other half in order to keep the heat off themselves, and it?s working like a charm.

Oh but I?m sure your meme collection that highlights their hypocrisy will outweigh decades of brainwashing and change their minds. News flash: no, it fucking won?t. Most of them are lost in an alternate dimension of outlandish conspiracy theories and misdirected rage.

So you can take this knowledge and lie down and die, or you can get up and fight back with everything you?ve got. You can surrender and give in, or you can use your brain and start thinking about the long game. Those are your options. There are no easy outs. You can let this strengthen you, or you can let it crush you. Only one of those choices actually helps anything. So make the choice, or it will be made for you.

[KA24DESOneThree]

The mere fact that they're waiving sovereign immunity to allow supportive cities to be sued and not the bad cops who mace/tase/beat/trample/gas/shoot citizens shows exactly where their loyalties lie. They're not interested in solving the problem nor are they interested in addressing the problem.

Should rioters be held accountable for their actions? Absolutely. Should their accountability be enhanced because their actions occurred during a riot? Absolutely not. If someone steals $500 worth of merchandise, it's a misdemeanor. If someone causes $5.99 in damage to property, it's a felony.

The RICO clause means protests are going to get more violent, not less. Organization is protest, disorganization is a mob or a riot.

The clause against bond or bail could be a violation of the Sixth or Eighth amendments, but who gives a shit about anything other than the Second, amirite?

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The mere fact that they're waiving sovereign immunity to allow supportive cities to be sued and not the bad cops who mace/tase/beat/trample/gas/shoot citizens shows exactly where their loyalties lie. They're not interested in solving the problem nor are they interested in addressing the problem.

Well maybe those cities should be doing a better job hiring, training and instructing their police forces.

Idiots are rioting even when the police do their job perfectly (Kenosha).

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Should rioters be held accountable for their actions? Absolutely. Should their accountability be enhanced because their actions occurred during a riot? Absolutely not. If someone steals $500 worth of merchandise, it's a misdemeanor. If someone causes $5.99 in damage to property, it's a felony.

Why? We have all sorts of laws with various punishments based on intent. This goes back to what I explained to you about the drug laws.

Rioting, trashing windows and looting dramatically increases the risk of injury to others and it creates a mob mentality that magnifies the destruction.

We're not looking at a single shoplifter who stole a Cardi B CD from Target. We have a gutted burned down building that was destroyed by a thousand different people.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The RICO clause means protests are going to get more violent, not less. Organization is protest, disorganization is a mob or a riot.

Won't be riots if no one is willing to bus these people in.

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

The clause against bond or bail could be a violation of the Sixth or Eighth amendments, but who gives a shit about anything other than the Second, amirite?

Except it's not.

You have no right to bail prior to a court appearance.

Bail is normally granted because of the low level of the crime (aka Shoplifting) and to prevent overcrowding.

Again, we are finding these people are bussed in, bailed out by political groups and never appear in court. Liberal DA's drop charges and off to the next riot they go, no regard to the lost bail money which wasn't there's to begin with.

You should be glad.

If you are an actual protestor who just wants to hold a sign and scream, you'll be fine.

If we get rid of the terrorists and thieves, the protestors will be safe. They won't have to worry about being hit by cars or tear gassed. They won't risk injury or bring shot.

The entire country was Pro-Floyd after the video. But after the riots now half of us are hoping thr police use live rounds and are saying Fuck-Floyd.

If you didn't have the riots you'd still have their support and we could have seen global improvements. Instead you earned harsher crack downs. Good work.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Point out a single instance of people being "bused" in. I see a bunch of conservative fake news sites spouting unsubstantiated bullshit about Soros buses and organization, while actual, vetted, news organizations constantly refute it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/an...d-into-austin/

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/...5-0807d8922292

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...howed-n1226681

https://news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-new...ith-ill-intent

https://trib.com/news/local/casper/c...37c10089c.html

What kind of dumb fuck thinks buses would be the appropriate method of transportation, anyway? "Yeah, we'll use 45-foot-long, 10-foot-high vehicles that stand out like a sore thumb to do exactly what our detractors are saying we'll do."

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Point out a single instance of people being "bused" in. I see a bunch of conservative fake news sites spouting unsubstantiated bullshit about Soros buses and organization, while actual, vetted, news organizations constantly refute it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/an...d-into-austin/

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/...5-0807d8922292

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...howed-n1226681

https://news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-new...ith-ill-intent

https://trib.com/news/local/casper/c...37c10089c.html

What kind of dumb fuck thinks buses would be the appropriate method of transportation, anyway? "Yeah, we'll use 45-foot-long, 10-foot-high vehicles that stand out like a sore thumb to do exactly what our detractors are saying we'll do."

So that's your argument.

People should be allowed to riot, murder and loot as long as they don't show up in a bus?

I'm not wasting my time finding the articles again, but a substantial number of people being arrested in Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle and Louisville had not even been from the Cities.

The downtown Chicago looting, people road in on rental trucks and cars in droves to smash up downtown.

Again, if you are legitimate in your support of the protests, you should be glad. Stop the violence and destruction, stop the outside agitators who have alterior motives.

Stop that and then you'll stop the conservative back lashes.

Then you might actually have people take you serious.

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Point out a single instance of people being "bused" in. I see a bunch of conservative fake news sites spouting unsubstantiated bullshit about Soros buses and organization, while actual, vetted, news organizations constantly refute it.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/an...d-into-austin/

https://www.13wmaz.com/article/news/...5-0807d8922292

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-...howed-n1226681

https://news.wfsu.org/wfsu-local-new...ith-ill-intent

https://trib.com/news/local/casper/c...37c10089c.html

What kind of dumb fuck thinks buses would be the appropriate method of transportation, anyway? "Yeah, we'll use 45-foot-long, 10-foot-high vehicles that stand out like a sore thumb to do exactly what our detractors are saying we'll do."

they wouldnt do something so brazen would they...
https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status...243042816?s=19

https://twitter.com/CptConundrum20/s...34021858775048

[deolio]

Originally Posted by Corbic

Again, if you are legitimate in your support of the protests, you should be glad. Stop the violence and destruction, stop the outside agitators who have alterior motives.

You need to lear to read between the lines my man.

A. Prohubition on Violent or Disorderly Assemblies: 3rd degree felony when 7 or more persons are involved in an assembly and cause damage to property or injury to other persons.

That means if ONE PERSON in a crowd of 7+ causes ANY damage, they can arrest EVERYONE. Guilty by association, which is just a bullshit excuse to intimidate protesters. I can guarantee there will be agitators at BLM protests as well as Anti-mask protests. It's a lose-lose situation for both sides and a major threat to the first amendment. If some fucking windows and insured merchandise is worth more to you than freedom of speech, you aren't a patriot, you are a traitor.

[zombiewolf513]

Do you honestly think anyone is believing your bullshit? We're literally watching your violent mobs live every night while you say theyre peaceful protestors.

[PoorMans180SX]

Disclaimer: I'm a libertarian.

That law enforcement protection act is bullshit, unconstitutional, and unnecessary. Just charge the people with destruction of property.

delio that quote you posted is hilariously hypocritical, talking about how right-wing neighbors are fantasizing about murdering you but saying it's right-wing people who are conspiracy theorists LOL.

Smells like communist propaganda to me! (I'm mostly kidding, but propaganda and hyperbole it definitely is).

Things are coming to a head. It's gonna get wild out there. Just a while longer and the entirety of America is going to be a powderkeg, and this is how great empires always fall. History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

[Corbic]

Originally Posted by deolio

You need to lear to read between the lines my man.

Not sure how one "Lear" between the lines.

Originally Posted by deolio

That means if ONE PERSON in a crowd of 7+ causes ANY damage, they can arrest EVERYONE. Guilty by association, which is just a bullshit excuse to intimidate protesters. I can guarantee there will be agitators at BLM protests as well as Anti-mask protests. It's a lose-lose situation for both sides and a major threat to the first amendment. If some fucking windows and insured merchandise is worth more to you than freedom of speech, you aren't a patriot, you are a traitor.

As it should be.

These mobs are willingly and knowingly providing cover to the agitators.

If you and the home boys go into a gas station to steal snacks and Lil Tweek'e decides to gat the attendant... Ya'll liable to face felony murder charges.

Also, nice hyperbole, didn't realize tossing bricks into windows was considered "protected" speech. Also, who said the merchandise was insured? That's a big fucking assumption.

Can I break someone's nose as long as they have health insurance?

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

Do you honestly think anyone is believing your bullshit?

Yes. Far more logical reasoning than a bunch of conspiracy theories rooted in white nationalism.

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

We're literally watching your violent mobs live every night while you say theyre peaceful protestors.

Shall we judge the police and politicians by the same standard and call them murderers and looters?

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

delio that quote you posted is hilariously hypocritical, talking about how right-wing neighbors are fantasizing about murdering you but saying it's right-wing people who are conspiracy theorists LOL.

Smells like communist propaganda to me! (I'm mostly kidding, but propaganda and hyperbole it definitely is).

Go back a few pages in this very thread and you'll see zombiewolf and s14rebuild mention their bloodlust for liberals not to mention all the bullshit I've seen people post across the internet... Hyperbole not detected.

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Things are coming to a head. It's gonna get wild out there. Just a while longer and the entirety of America is going to be a powderkeg, and this is how great empires always fall. History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

And the right is cheering it on the entire time without realizing they're encouraging the collapse of society because they think it's the American thing to do

Originally Posted by Corbic

These mobs are willingly and knowingly providing cover to the agitators.

Source? From everything I've seen, protestors have been trying to subdue and chase off agitators/rioters.

Originally Posted by Corbic

Also, nice hyperbole, didn't realize tossing bricks into windows was considered "protected" speech. Also, who said the merchandise was insured? That's a big fucking assumption.

Can I break someone's nose as long as they have health insurance?

Bruh, can you even read at all? Seriously. Take a big breath and count to ten and try reading again without putting the words you want to hear me say in my mouth.

Here, I'll go slowly.

Protesting is protected
by the
first amendment.
PROTESTING
Not rioting.
Ok?

Now, if they put legislation into effect that charges anyone in the vicinity of an agitator with a felony, people are going to stop protesting for fear that agitators will be intermixed with the crowd, start breaking shit, and FUCK everyone.

People with ill-intentions can just keep showing up at protests, breaking something, and fucking off and leaving peaceful protesters to be detained and charged with felonies.

Now you're thinking, "that'd only happen at a BLM protest," but someone could just as easily show up at an anti-mask rally or a sportball team win, huck a brick through a window, run away, and leave the tin/sportteam hat squad to suffer the consequences (though, there probably wouldn't be any consequences because they're all white and stuff).

So then I think to myself, "is this law really written to prevent rioting, or is it to prevent protesting?" And in every scenario I can think of, protesting/protesters are the ones who get fucked the hardest.

I'm baffled by how people who tote the Gadsden flag around and then turn around and support bullshit laws. Not enough facepalm emoji's in the world.

Also, I'm sure all you Republicans would agree, if your merchandise and your store itself isn't insured, that's a you problem. Maybe don't have a store in such a bad neighborhood. Probably should have invested in security. Shoulda sat on the roof with a rifle. And so on and so forth...

[zombiewolf513]

>we can police our own fuck da pohlease
>we cant keep violent agitators out of our protests
make up your mind

dont be a violent criminal, dont get shot by the police. it works for the rest of us. why not you?

also, i dont have an issue with liberals, i have an issue with communists. you cant make the distinction though, so i cant fault you for that.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Originally Posted by Corbic

So that's your argument.

People should be allowed to riot, murder and loot as long as they don't show up in a bus?

I'm not wasting my time finding the articles again, but a substantial number of people being arrested in Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle and Louisville had not even been from the Cities.

The downtown Chicago looting, people road in on rental trucks and cars in droves to smash up downtown.

Again, if you are legitimate in your support of the protests, you should be glad. Stop the violence and destruction, stop the outside agitators who have alterior motives.

Stop that and then you'll stop the conservative back lashes.

Then you might actually have people take you serious.

Hold up. You said buses. Now you're saying they're not buses, they're out-of-towners in cars and rental trucks.

Which one is it? Buses or cars and rental trucks? The definitions aren't the same, so either you're regurgitating a very common lie deliberately, or you're too ignorant to know the difference between your fake news and real life. You're constantly and consistently moving the goal posts in a bad faith effort to discredit anyone who disagrees with your unsubstantiated Facebook-derived shit. Who's buying people these cars? Or are they perhaps the people's own cars because they're trying to get from their small town to a larger city to be part of something that might actually make the news?

If I was to head from north SD county to a protest in San Diego proper, would I be an out-of-town agitator or would I simply be going to where my voice will be most heard? My town is unincorporated, so it has to play by SD's rules and is governed by the SD sheriffs- or am I making a little too much sense?

Would you support literally every single one of the non-violent protesters on both sides at last year's Charleston rally being charged with a third-degree felony for the actions of one asshole in a Challenger? That's what you're supporting.

PS- Philando Castile (shot and killed), Breonna Taylor (shot and killed), Linden Cameron (shot and somehow survived), Elijah McClain (restrained and overdosed on EMT-administered ketamine at officer's order). All non-violent. All shot or killed by police. One was a 13-year-old autistic white kid. What about the family whose toddler was flash banged? Oh yeah, wrong address. The woman killed by a cop who started shooting wildly at a friendly dog? It was an accident. The people killed by cops speeding to non-emergency calls? Do all of those people just count as collateral damage in your war against eeeeeeeeeevil?

[zombiewolf513]

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Would you support literally every single one of the non-violent protesters on both sides at last year's Charlottesville rally being charged with a third-degree felony for the actions of one asshole in a Charger? That's what you're supporting.

So you're admitting there was very fine people on both sides?

The only people that should have been charged for that is Redneck Revolt. I know you have the memory of a goldfish, but damn

[deolio]

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

>we can police our own fuck da pohlease
>we cant keep violent agitators out of our protests
make up your mind

Clearly the police can't keep from EMPLOYING violent criminals themselves. 6 of one half dozen of another.

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

dont be a violent criminal, dont get shot by the police. it works for the rest of us. why not you?

No one is protesting about the death of violent criminals. Just innocent ones. Quit letting the fake news taint your brain and twist the intention of protest into something that fits their narrative.

Originally Posted by zombiewolf513

also, i dont have an issue with liberals, i have an issue with communists. you cant make the distinction though, so i cant fault you for that.

So all you do all of this complaining because you DON'T have an issue? Ok, I guess that sounds about as rational as all of your other arguments...