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EDacIouSX · 03-06-2013, 01:19 PM

I have a stock one in my 96 14 and a b&m in my 95. I know there's a difference but i've never really cared for short shifters. I have no issues at all driving the stock one over my b&m and vice versa. this is obviously a personal preference thing.

russian · 03-06-2013, 02:32 PM

it all depends on what you use the car for and the motor/tranny setup.

for ka/sr - ebay shifters are junk.
B&M feels to grindy. for drifting i preferred stock shifter and took b&m out and sold it.

for LSX
5.0 shifter hands down. best mod to the drivetrain.
hurst/b&m cant compare.

S12 Drifter · 06-07-2013, 04:21 PM

I'm looking for a short shifter for my 71C not sure if i should get a isis V2 or fork out the money for a tomei/greddy.

does tomei even make shifters for the S chassis 71C anymore?

206sx · 06-07-2013, 04:26 PM

B&M short shifter with solid bushing

240boi115 · 06-07-2013, 04:46 PM

anyone use the nismo short shifter? i heard it was pretty nice as well.

Ramonesfreak2010 · 06-07-2013, 05:20 PM

Isis short shifter with oem bushing. No problems. Been running it for over 3 years.

blessedhellrider · 06-07-2013, 05:27 PM

cheap ass OBX from 10 years ago . don't rattle !!!

S12 Drifter · 06-07-2013, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240boi115

anyone use the nismo short shifter? i heard it was pretty nice as well.

I have a friend with a nismo shifter in his 71c trans ITS AMAZING! i tried buy it off him but he wont sell it

i would totally buy it if i could.

RiskyRick · 06-07-2013, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by russian

for LSX
5.0 shifter hands down. best mod to the drivetrain.
hurst/b&m cant compare.

MGW>Pro 5.0

Rustys14 · 06-07-2013, 06:35 PM

Figured I would chime in since I have a B&M in my hatch and a Isis in my coupe.

The B&M is really crisp and has almost too short of a throw but I do like it a lot. I have the V2 and my only real complaint is that it starts to rattle around 5k rpm but I got used to it. I have had it for about 4 years in two different cars and it still feels the same as the day I got it. Its defiantly worth the money.

The Isis feels about the same as the B&M but it doesn't rattle at all. One major complaint that I have about it though is that there is some play in the shaft itself. Its pretty solid but if I turn the shift knob the whole shaft turns about a 1/4 inch. While this doesn't really affect functionality, it is a little irritating. I haven't had it very long so we'll see about longevity but I'm pretty pleased with what I got for the $45 dollars I paid for it on Ebay (wasn't sold as Isis but came in a Isis box). Now going back and forth between cars isn't as weird lol.

racepar1 · 06-07-2013, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 240boi115

anyone use the nismo short shifter? i heard it was pretty nice as well.

The Nismo shifter for the S-chasis is NOT actually a short shifter. They are solid shifters. They have the same geometry as the stock shifter while eliminating the rubber bushing in the stock one. The throw is not any shorter...

I currently have a B&M shifter and IMO it's too notchy for my tastes. It is very precise and it does not rattle at all, but the feel isn't how I like. I'm considering "trading it in" for a Tomei shifter that's for sale...

kojiki88 · 06-07-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy

been having the isis v2 for a while and never had problems

I also have the Isis and have been running it for about 4 years now and never had any problems with it. I will never go back to the stock shifter.

240boi115 · 06-07-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by racepar1

The Nismo shifter for the S-chasis is NOT actually a short shifter. They are solid shifters. They have the same geometry as the stock shifter while eliminating the rubber bushing in the stock one. The throw is not any shorter...

I currently have a B&M shifter and IMO it's too notchy for my tastes. It is very precise and it does not rattle at all, but the feel isn't how I like. I'm considering "trading it in" for a Tomei shifter that's for sale...

yet they advertise a 10% shorter throw.. the nismo one is said to make the shifts smoother and feel new..(so ive heard) so the nismo shifter is basically a modified oem one?

S12 Drifter · 06-07-2013, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

The Nismo shifter for the S-chasis is NOT actually a short shifter. They are solid shifters. They have the same geometry as the stock shifter while eliminating the rubber bushing in the stock one. The throw is not any shorter...

horse shit.

S14Paul · 06-07-2013, 07:41 PM

Has anyone tried the circuit sport V3 shifter?

Frsport sells it and it comes with 2 shift knobs I might buy it this weekend
Circuit Sports SSK-SR003B-GD V3 Shifter Kit - Nissan 240sx 89-98

racepar1 · 06-07-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 240boi115

yet they advertise a 10% shorter throw.. the nismo one is said to make the shifts smoother and feel new..(so ive heard) so the nismo shifter is basically a modified oem one?

Yes, just like the Nismo engine mounts it's just modified stock. I do see that they advertise a 10% shorter throw, but that's such a miniscule amount I doubt you would notice even if it is actually fact. I would like to set one side by side with a stock one and measure it to see for sure. Even if it is 10% shorter though that's not really a "short shifter". My B&M must be about 75% shorter throw (exaggeration)...

This link actually explains how they shortened the throw:

NISMO Solid Short Shifter Silvia

Apparently they shortened the shift lever by 7.5mm and that's supposed to be a 10% difference. The shifter geometry is exactly the same as a stock shifter. I guess you could call that a short shifter, but you can do the same thing to your stock shifter by installing a shorter shift knob...

Not really a short shifter...

240boi115 · 06-07-2013, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

Yes, just like the Nismo engine mounts it's just modified stock. I do see that they advertise a 10% shorter throw, but that's such a miniscule amount I doubt you would notice even if it is actually fact. I would like to set one side by side with a stock one and measure it to see for sure. Even if it is 10% shorter though that's not really a "short shifter". My B&M must be about 75% shorter throw (exaggeration)...

This link actually explains how they shortened the throw:

NISMO Solid Short Shifter Silvia

Apparently they shortened the shift lever by 7.5mm and that's supposed to be a 10% difference. The shifter geometry is exactly the same as a stock shifter. I guess you could call that a short shifter, but you can do the same thing to your stock shifter by installing a shorter shift knob...

Not really a short shifter...

thats what i was thinking but has anyone used one? does it feel different at all? beacuse it looks very similar to stock (like most nismo products)which i dont entirely mind, i mean nismo comes out with some good and clean products.to truely figure out if the throw is different one would have to compare the nismo shifter and the oem one side by side and dothe math by a 7.5mm difference..ive always been on the fence about getting one because id like good short throws to improve shift time but i dont want my 240 to shift like a miata either which is why i was interested in the nismo shifter. ive also heard that short shifters wear down the life of your synchros.

Silvi · 06-07-2013, 09:20 PM

Im with nismo short shifter and I'm actually noticed to a big change compared to stock shifter.
It seems to be much more than 10% shorter...Feels great by the way

240boi115 · 06-07-2013, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvi

Im with nismo short shifter and I'm actually noticed to a big change compared to stock shifter.
It seems to be much more than 10% shorter...Feels great by the way

is there less play in all the gears from stock?

Silvi · 06-07-2013, 09:44 PM

Much less...smoother feel
It feels like a joystick, I don't understand why people want shorter than that.

S12 Drifter · 06-08-2013, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240boi115

thats what i was thinking but has anyone used one? does it feel different at all? beacuse it looks very similar to stock (like most nismo products)which i dont entirely mind, i mean nismo comes out with some good and clean products.to truely figure out if the throw is different one would have to compare the nismo shifter and the oem one side by side and dothe math by a 7.5mm difference..ive always been on the fence about getting one because id like good short throws to improve shift time but i dont want my 240 to shift like a miata either which is why i was interested in the nismo shifter. ive also heard that short shifters wear down the life of your synchros.

my friend has a legit nismo shifter for a 71C -.- its nothing like the STOCK AT ALL! it does have a shorter throw by a lot more then they advertise.

S12 Drifter · 06-08-2013, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

Yes, just like the Nismo engine mounts it's just modified stock. I do see that they advertise a 10% shorter throw, but that's such a miniscule amount I doubt you would notice even if it is actually fact. I would like to set one side by side with a stock one and measure it to see for sure. Even if it is 10% shorter though that's not really a "short shifter". My B&M must be about 75% shorter throw (exaggeration)...

This link actually explains how they shortened the throw:

NISMO Solid Short Shifter Silvia

Apparently they shortened the shift lever by 7.5mm and that's supposed to be a 10% difference. The shifter geometry is exactly the same as a stock shifter. I guess you could call that a short shifter, but you can do the same thing to your stock shifter by installing a shorter shift knob...

Not really a short shifter...

:bowr ofl:

go buy one and try it out it's way more then 10%

why not contact nissan directly they still sell it on THEIR site.

hartig · 06-08-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by S12 Drifter

go buy one and try it out it's way more then 10%

s13 is not s12 so please stop crying. it is possible to manufacture different things for different transmissions you know.

S12 Drifter · 06-08-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hartig

s13 is not s12 so please stop crying. it is possible to manufacture different things for different transmissions you know.

your the dumbass for not realizing the S12 Z31 S13 and S14/ka/rb/sr/vg30e/CA

all same the same fucking transmission

it's a 71C learn what your talking about transmissions have codes just like the nissan engines.

By the way i do not have a S12 I have a Z31. I want a S12 though, I had one before.

SR20
KA24DE/E
VG30E
RB20DET/DE/E
CA18DET/DE/E/

all use the 71C transmission.

racepar1 · 06-08-2013, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S12 Drifter

my friend has a legit nismo shifter for a 71C -.- its nothing like the STOCK AT ALL! it does have a shorter throw by a lot more then they advertise.

It doesn't feel like stock because not only is the lever slightly shorter but the rubber bushing is stiffer as well. Besides that any stock shifter is going to be worn and have additional play because of that. Of course it feels much better than a worn-out stock shifter. I'm not saying that It's not better than stock, I'm just saying it's not a true short shifter. If you look at other short shifters the geometry of the shifter has been changed. The pivot has been moved up and the lower section of the shift lever is much longer than stock. The Nismo unit is not like that. It simply has a bit shorter upper shift lever. There's nothing wrong with the Nismo one, it's just not really a short shifter...

I'm sure Nismo is advertising the wrong percentage of throw shortening. That makes sense...

S12 Drifter · 06-08-2013, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

It doesn't feel like stock because not only is the lever slightly shorter but the rubber bushing is stiffer as well. Besides that any stock shifter is going to be worn and have additional play because of that. Of course it feels much better than a worn-out stock shifter. I'm not saying that It's not better than stock, I'm just saying it's not a true short shifter. If you look at other short shifters the geometry of the shifter has been changed. The pivot has been moved up and the lower section of the shift lever is much longer than stock. The Nismo unit is not like that. It simply has a bit shorter upper shift lever. There's nothing wrong with the Nismo one, it's just not really a short shifter...

I'm sure Nismo is advertising the wrong percentage of throw shortening. That makes sense...

ahhhhh i see what your saying now!! that does make sense.

voiddweller · 06-14-2013, 09:09 AM

This is a good thread. Like many of us, I am looking for something that doesn't rattle and was wondering if anyone tried the TWM shifter. Here is a link I'd love to hear some feedback since it 'looks' like a quality part.

Mikester · 06-14-2013, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by voiddweller

This is a good thread. Like many of us, I am looking for something that doesn't rattle and was wondering if anyone tried the TWM shifter. Here is a link I'd love to hear some feedback since it 'looks' like a quality part.

Want a badass, cheap alternative? Here is a link . I ran one of them in my 180SX in Okinawa for a couple years and loved it! The feel is solid & precise... It's a very well-made, single-piece, good quality shifter... and the price is like a sore dick- can't beat it.

Since then, I've switched to a CA tranny w/SR bellhousing and run a C's short shifter w/HKS return springs... Absolutely LOVE IT and will never change it unless absolutely necessary.

hartig · 06-14-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by S12 Drifter

your the dumbass for not realizing the S12 Z31 S13 and S14/ka/rb/sr/vg30e/CA

all same the same fucking transmission

it's a 71C learn what your talking about transmissions have codes just like the nissan engines.

By the way i do not have a S12 I have a Z31. I want a S12 though, I had one before.

SR20
KA24DE/E
VG30E
RB20DET/DE/E
CA18DET/DE/E/

all use the 71C transmission.

oops i made a mistake.

nizmo_bro · 06-15-2013, 04:25 PM

My S13 has a B&M short shifter. I can say it feels totally different than any other shifter I've used. When I went to test drive my current S13, I seriously didn't think I even had it in gear, lol. You barely have to move the shifter in any direction before you find a gear.

I've gotten used to it now, so when I drive my brother's car, it feels like the shifting takes miles.

03-06-2013, 02:32 PM	#92
russian Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dallas TX Age: 41 Posts: 1,336 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	it all depends on what you use the car for and the motor/tranny setup. for ka/sr - ebay shifters are junk. B&M feels to grindy. for drifting i preferred stock shifter and took b&m out and sold it. for LSX 5.0 shifter hands down. best mod to the drivetrain. hurst/b&m cant compare. __________________ I must break you.

06-07-2013, 05:27 PM	#97
blessedhellrider Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: tampaish Age: 42 Posts: 277 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	cheap ass OBX from 10 years ago . don't rattle !!! __________________

06-14-2013, 09:09 AM	#117
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 55 Posts: 251 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	This is a good thread. Like many of us, I am looking for something that doesn't rattle and was wondering if anyone tried the TWM shifter. Here is a link I'd love to hear some feedback since it 'looks' like a quality part. __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

03-06-2013, 01:19 PM	#91
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 38 Posts: 4,565 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	I have a stock one in my 96 14 and a b&m in my 95. I know there's a difference but i've never really cared for short shifters. I have no issues at all driving the stock one over my b&m and vice versa. this is obviously a personal preference thing.

06-07-2013, 04:26 PM	#94
206sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Seatac, Washington Age: 33 Posts: 139 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	B&M short shifter with solid bushing

06-07-2013, 05:20 PM	#96
Ramonesfreak2010 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Silver Spring, MD Age: 32 Posts: 963 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Isis short shifter with oem bushing. No problems. Been running it for over 3 years.

06-07-2013, 06:35 PM	#100
Rustys14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Virginia Age: 32 Posts: 622 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Figured I would chime in since I have a B&M in my hatch and a Isis in my coupe. The B&M is really crisp and has almost too short of a throw but I do like it a lot. I have the V2 and my only real complaint is that it starts to rattle around 5k rpm but I got used to it. I have had it for about 4 years in two different cars and it still feels the same as the day I got it. Its defiantly worth the money. The Isis feels about the same as the B&M but it doesn't rattle at all. One major complaint that I have about it though is that there is some play in the shaft itself. Its pretty solid but if I turn the shift knob the whole shaft turns about a 1/4 inch. While this doesn't really affect functionality, it is a little irritating. I haven't had it very long so we'll see about longevity but I'm pretty pleased with what I got for the $45 dollars I paid for it on Ebay (wasn't sold as Isis but came in a Isis box). Now going back and forth between cars isn't as weird lol.

06-07-2013, 07:41 PM	#105
S14Paul Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2012 Location: SoCal Age: 31 Posts: 54 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Has anyone tried the circuit sport V3 shifter? Frsport sells it and it comes with 2 shift knobs I might buy it this weekend Circuit Sports SSK-SR003B-GD V3 Shifter Kit - Nissan 240sx 89-98

06-07-2013, 09:20 PM	#108
Silvi Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: IL Posts: 133 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im with nismo short shifter and I'm actually noticed to a big change compared to stock shifter. It seems to be much more than 10% shorter...Feels great by the way

06-07-2013, 09:44 PM	#110
Silvi Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: IL Posts: 133 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Much less...smoother feel It feels like a joystick, I don't understand why people want shorter than that.

06-15-2013, 04:25 PM	#120
nizmo_bro Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Washington Age: 33 Posts: 17 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My S13 has a B&M short shifter. I can say it feels totally different than any other shifter I've used. When I went to test drive my current S13, I seriously didn't think I even had it in gear, lol. You barely have to move the shifter in any direction before you find a gear. I've gotten used to it now, so when I drive my brother's car, it feels like the shifting takes miles.