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Old 02-14-2019, 12:19 PM   #631
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These people with Koukiís crack me up. They truly believe these cars will be worth something one day. I hope Iím wrong, but I highly doubt a humdrum, anorexic, unmolested KA car will ever be worth real coin.
These cars have peaked, except for a few isolated situations featuring unicorn examples combined with finding the right buyer. The FRS/BRZ and their continued downward depreciation will soon collide and squeeze S-chassis prices down lower in the lightweight sports coupe market. The only way this doesn't happen is if they actually cancel the Toyoburu and they start going up in value like the S2000 did. I don't see that happening though.
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Complete Opposite

I wanted a R32 GTR for years.

Now I can have one, and I kinda just don't care.

Also. Amusing how even an imported Supra is $5-25k more then a GTR.

God damn N/A cars are $25-30k and Turbos are $40k+.

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In my humble opinion, the S-Chassis factor will play a big part.

...but the Supra is newer than the R32 and, let's face it, assembled better.

I think the S-Chassis factor will make a difference. It's all about hype for these kids and when they can get that hype at the cost of a new FRS they'll be all over it. Then we can watch the final SChassis variant be born here and systematically executed across our country.
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These cars have peaked, except for a few isolated situations featuring unicorn examples combined with finding the right buyer. The FRS/BRZ and their continued downward depreciation will soon collide and squeeze S-chassis prices down lower in the lightweight sports coupe market. The only way this doesn't happen is if they actually cancel the Toyoburu and they start going up in value like the S2000 did. I don't see that happening though.
I still disagree. I don't think the SChassis prices will go down simply to compete with the FRS/BRZ. If people are looking for S13s/S14s by the time the ZN6 sinks that low I'm sure they'll be willing to pay.
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I still disagree. I don't think the SChassis prices will go down simply to compete with the FRS/BRZ. If people are looking for S13s/S14s by the time the ZN6 sinks that low I'm sure they'll be willing to pay.
I think the S13/S14 will eventually disappear and be a foot note. They are destined to be the next Datsun 510.

Everyone loved them, everyone still loves them. No one is going to shell out $30k for one.

S13/14 is also doomed because there is a zero reproduction market. I could. Litterly build a Fox Body from scratch with new parts.

Can you even get a Dash or a steal fender for a S14?

A 240sx is and will always be the car you bought because you could not afford the one you wanted.
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IMO the S-chassis market will be very complex in the future. I think clean 180sx and Silvia examples with the right configurations will demand higher $$, which I think in turn will bump up the USDM market. I don't see them ever being E30 M3 status but I see them doing better than the Datsun 510 market, but not by much.


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A 240sx is and will always be the car you bought because you could not afford the one you wanted.
Fuck that. I've had much nicer cars and keep coming back to them.

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Yeah. It would be a hollow victory.

Farzam - Don't align yourself with Corbic. He'll have you driving a Mustang or a uNdErApPrECiAtEd JdM LeGeNd in no time.

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I mean i've had 2 R32 which are pLaYeD oUt AnD oVeRdOnE...but i'd probably never own a Mustang. Although there are some models and certain years I have respect for
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Everyone loved them, everyone still loves them. No one is going to shell out $30k for one.
I don't think anyone expects $30k. I'd expect just under that for a low mileage, all-optional-pars, no repair history S15 Spec R.


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Can you even get a Dash or a steal fender for a S14?
No and No. Steel fenders only.

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This may be true for you, but it's not for the rest of us. deolio said it best.

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I mean i've had 2 R32 which are pLaYeD oUt AnD oVeRdOnE...but i'd probably never own a Mustang. Although there are some models and certain years I have respect for
I was making fun of his world-ender Japanese GEEDEEOHHH.
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Owned one for 12 years. What's to "get".
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I don't think anyone expects $30k. I'd expect just under that for a low mileage, all-optional-pars, no repair history S15 Spec R.









*literally.







No and No. Steel fenders only.







This may be true for you, but it's not for the rest of us. deolio said it best.







I was making fun of his world-ender Japanese GEEDEEOHHH.
"Rest of you" won't be raising paddles at the Barret Jackson any time soon.

The entire novelty of the car pisses away when it's a rusted hunk of shit and is going to cost $30k to restore. That's the problem.

This is your typical 240sx today -



And there are just not thousands of guys willing to put $20k, $30k... $50k into them too get back to here...



We've been talking about this for a decade now and all that's happen is the cars have gotten shitter but the price ceiling hasn't moved and inch.

Why pay $25k for a 240 when you can get a Gaaaadeemmmm Supra, GTR, Corvete, Evo, STI, brand new FRZ86, S2K, FD, M3... Et el.

Then again you guys pay $600 for cup holders. Gotta drink that coolaid from something.
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30K isn't bad for a restoration...i know i don't personally feel that a 240 is worth that either but while i was doing it with my dad we were doing packards and Studebakers for 100-200k..they were also rusted out and in terrible shape when they started out
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30K isn't bad for a restoration...i know i don't personally feel that a 240 is worth that either but while i was doing it with my dad we were doing packards and Studebakers for 100-200k..they were also rusted out and in terrible shape when they started out
I was assuming your doing the labor yourself, but yeah throw a few thousand hours of labor and hunting for original parts with premium prices etc. and full resto jobs are easily six figures.
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Complete Opposite

I wanted a R32 GTR for years.

Now I can have one, and I kinda just don't care.
agreed sir! about the ONLY car i want to import is an S15 silvia. i use to dream of the day when i could own a GTR... now, no fucks given
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Question for those who have driven an S15..is it a rattle box like the s13 and s14? It looks like it wouldn't be, but it is pretty much an updated s14.


I wanted a supra, but I saw the prices and decided to get an IS300 and make a supra out of that which will cost me less than 20k total. A TT 6spd is and will be the hemi 'cuda of Japan.
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30K isn't bad for a restoration...i know i don't personally feel that a 240 is worth that either but while i was doing it with my dad we were doing packards and Studebakers for 100-200k..they were also rusted out and in terrible shape when they started out
You have to look at what you can get for that money though. You can damn near get a C6Z for that now. You can get a brand new FRZ86 and a turbo kit for that, or get a used one and go crazy with mods. This forum being concentrated with enthusiasts, has a lot more people who might be down to do something like that. For most of the car community, there is zero chance of spending 10 grand on a 30 year old economy sports coupe, let alone 30 grand.
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wow, at least you managed to spell everything correct in your reply (as well as the Portland thread); good job corbic!
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1. "Rest of you" won't be raising paddles at the Barret Jackson any time soon.

2. We've been talking about this for a decade now and all that's happen is the cars have gotten shitter but the price ceiling hasn't moved and inch.
1. This goes without saying because we're into shitty Nissans...but that doesn't mean some of us don't have the money to do so. What's the logic here? You have this strong need to paint everyone that likes SChassis cars as broke. I'm not rich, Corbic, but Im definitely not broke. I could buy the infamous $600 cupholder right now. There's a difference between being broke and being a fucking moron that buys the aforementioned product lol.

2. If you're going to tell me the prices haven't gone up in the last decade you need to hop in your Mustang and mow down a crowd or something to get your head on straight.




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Question for those who have driven an S15..is it a rattle box like the s13 and s14? It looks like it wouldn't be, but it is pretty much an updated s14.


I wanted a supra, but I saw the prices and decided to get an IS300 and make a supra out of that which will cost me less than 20k total. A TT 6spd is and will be the hemi 'cuda of Japan.

YES. I always joke that you have to give credit where credit is due: Nissan is consistent....ly shitty with the rattles lol. I had a SpecS (NA SR20DE) as a daily and it is 100% just another rattlebox.

That being said, the SpecR is triple the price for a clean example. They already go for $15k+ depending on condition and mileage but a super low-mileage SpecS goes for around $5k. I understand the SpecR has added bracing but you can buy all of that stuff for the SpecS.

I've been talking about this a lot lately: is the SpecR THE car to splurge on? Or would you rather spend 1/3 of the price on an unfuckedwith SpecS and have the rest left over to build?
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YES. I always joke that you have to give credit where credit is due: Nissan is consistent....ly shitty with the rattles lol. I had a SpecS (NA SR20DE) as a daily and it is 100% just another rattlebox.

That being said, the SpecR is triple the price for a clean example. They already go for $15k+ depending on condition and mileage but a super low-mileage SpecS goes for around $5k. I understand the SpecR has added bracing but you can buy all of that stuff for the SpecS.

I've been talking about this a lot lately: is the SpecR THE car to splurge on? Or would you rather spend 1/3 of the price on an unfuckedwith SpecS and have the rest left over to build?

Interesting. And sad lol. I was hoping Nissan added some better interior materials or at least some better sound deadening.


I'd go for the Spec R. There's something very special about a factory-assembled car even if you do great work modifying cars.
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I donít really get why so many people are hung up on this ďs-chassis are rattle boxesĒ thing. Iíve driven a few S13s that had solid-mounted-everything and bare interiors, and those cars were certainly rattle boxes. But that wasnít Nissanís doing, it was their own. My ex had a bone-stock (minus catback) Ď91 coupe, and it had no annoying rattle issues. My coupe has JGS rubber engine and trans mounts, poly subframe bushings, and solid arms in the rear, no headliner, half a carpet... it was fine. Not as quiet as the exís stock car, but still far better than several others Iíve driven. The only time I ever had rattle issues was with a cheap short shifter, which I fixed after about a week, or whenever I had an exhaust setup that hit the body or the subframe.

These arenít luxury cars. Fix your janky shit, lower your expectations, and if need be, invest in some proper sound deadening.
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I donít really get why so many people are hung up on this ďs-chassis are rattle boxesĒ thing. Iíve driven a few S13s that had solid-mounted-everything and bare interiors, and those cars were certainly rattle boxes. But that wasnít Nissanís doing, it was their own. My ex had a bone-stock (minus catback) Ď91 coupe, and it had no annoying rattle issues. My coupe has JGS rubber engine and trans mounts, poly subframe bushings, and solid arms in the rear, no headliner, half a carpet... it was fine. Not as quiet as the exís stock car, but still far better than several others Iíve driven. The only time I ever had rattle issues was with a cheap short shifter, which I fixed after about a week, or whenever I had an exhaust setup that hit the body or the subframe.

These arenít luxury cars. Fix your janky shit, lower your expectations, and if need be, invest in some proper sound deadening.
We probably have different definitions on what "fine" is. My s14 is is fine for the weekends and short trips. Its not too loud and has full untouched interior, but I just can't drive it everyday. The vibrations, exhaust and road noise just get tiresome.

I daily an IS300 with over 200k and it's very smooth and quiet. I know its not a good comparison, but it just shows the vast differences in build quality between the two cars.
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I donít really get why so many people are hung up on this ďs-chassis are rattle boxesĒ thing. Iíve driven a few S13s that had solid-mounted-everything and bare interiors, and those cars were certainly rattle boxes. But that wasnít Nissanís doing, it was their own. My ex had a bone-stock (minus catback) Ď91 coupe, and it had no annoying rattle issues. My coupe has JGS rubber engine and trans mounts, poly subframe bushings, and solid arms in the rear, no headliner, half a carpet... it was fine. Not as quiet as the exís stock car, but still far better than several others Iíve driven. The only time I ever had rattle issues was with a cheap short shifter, which I fixed after about a week, or whenever I had an exhaust setup that hit the body or the subframe.

These arenít luxury cars. Fix your janky shit, lower your expectations, and if need be, invest in some proper sound deadening.
To be clear, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a deal breaker but the cars are noisy as all fuck.

'93 240SX: Garage kept, all seals are good, only had coilovers/RUCA and 16" wheels. Still loud.

'96 180SX: Possibly garage kept. It has coilovers/RUCA and 17" wheels. I replaced the door seals but I still need to get on the door strikers and those little washers for the door hinges. Besides the fact that I keep the backseat down and have an exhaust, the car makes a fuck ton of noise. Most of it comes from the front end.

'89 Silvia: Possibly garage kept. It has coilovers/RUCA and 16" wheels. Probably needs the door strikers/washers as well. Still makes noise.

All of this was to show that the cars don't have to be 'jank' to make noise man, it's just how they are. I don't think anyone is 'hung up on the fact' but we're grumpy old assholes.
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We probably have different definitions on what "fine" is.
Probably. I daily drove it for 8 years and 150k+ miles before retiring it with well over 300k miles. I regularly drove 4-5 hours one way for work, and made several 1500 mile runs between East TX and CA in it. It was fiiiiine. No earplugs needed, I could even drive without the stereo on, and my passengers had no trouble sleeping. Sure, summers without a/c sucked, but thatís my only complaint. Well, that, and the leaky sunroof. It really ruined sunroof cars for me.

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I daily an IS300 with over 200k and it's very smooth and quiet. I know its not a good comparison, but it just shows the vast differences in build quality between the two cars.
My current daily is a Ď96 Ranger. Itís got all sorts of awful squeaks and rattles. If it didnít have a stereo, I wouldnít have my sanity. Iíve never been spoiled by daily driving a well made, newish car. I suppose Iím comparing my decent 240 to other examples of the same car, and other vehicles of that era, while youíre comparing them to better, newer cars that arenít 80s/90s economy sports cars. Itís funny, now that I think about it, the last person who told me my car was loud in the cabin daily drives a 2nd gen GS400. If I daily drove a Lexus, I might be inclined to agree with you. Perspective is everything.


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To be clear, it OBVIOUSLY isn't a deal breaker but the cars are noisy as all fuck.

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All of this was to show that the cars don't have to be 'jank' to make noise man, it's just how they are. I don't think anyone is 'hung up on the fact' but we're grumpy old assholes.
I wasnít speaking specifically to anyone here. Itís a topic Iíve seen brought up elsewhere recently, as well. I saw it mentioned here and it got me thinking.

Itís entirely possible that Iím seeing things through some slightly rose colored glasses, as itís been sitting for nearly 5 years and I miss driving it in a big way.
But as far as I can recall, squeaks and rattles were never much of an issue for me in that car. I mean, it was quite rough and noisy on my road, but I live on a pretty fucked up farm road that isnít really low car friendly. And brick roads were a nightmarish scene of ďholy shit is my car falling apart?Ē But on normal roads or the highway, it was perfectly tolerable.
Squeaks and rattles were certainly a problem in some other s13s I drove, fastbacks especially. Some of those were track/drift cars, others were salvage title shit box street cars. Mine wasnít the nicest s-chassis around, far from it, but in terms of comfort, it really was heaps better than many others Iíve been around. Itís those other sort of cars Iíve always assumed give the 240 itís rep as a rattlebox. I just assumed anyone who felt that way hadnít driven a nice example of one. But, per the two of you, I guess thatís not necessarily the case.
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Probably. I daily drove it for 8 years and 150k+ miles before retiring it with well over 300k miles. I regularly drove 4-5 hours one way for work, and made several 1500 mile runs between East TX and CA in it. It was fiiiiine. No earplugs needed, I could even drive without the stereo on, and my passengers had no trouble sleeping. Sure, summers without a/c sucked, but thatís my only complaint. Well, that, and the leaky sunroof. It really ruined sunroof cars for me.


My current daily is a Ď96 Ranger. Itís got all sorts of awful squeaks and rattles. If it didnít have a stereo, I wouldnít have my sanity. Iíve never been spoiled by daily driving a well made, newish car. I suppose Iím comparing my decent 240 to other examples of the same car, and other vehicles of that era, while youíre comparing them to better, newer cars that arenít 80s/90s economy sports cars. Itís funny, now that I think about it, the last person who told me my car was loud in the cabin daily drives a 2nd gen GS400. If I daily drove a Lexus, I might be inclined to agree with you. Perspective is everything.



I wasnít speaking specifically to anyone here. Itís a topic Iíve seen brought up elsewhere recently, as well. I saw it mentioned here and it got me thinking.

Itís entirely possible that Iím seeing things through some slightly rose colored glasses, as itís been sitting for nearly 5 years and I miss driving it in a big way.
But as far as I can recall, squeaks and rattles were never much of an issue for me in that car. I mean, it was quite rough and noisy on my road, but I live on a pretty fucked up farm road that isnít really low car friendly. And brick roads were a nightmarish scene of ďholy shit is my car falling apart?Ē But on normal roads or the highway, it was perfectly tolerable.
Squeaks and rattles were certainly a problem in some other s13s I drove, fastbacks especially. Some of those were track/drift cars, others were salvage title shit box street cars. Mine wasnít the nicest s-chassis around, far from it, but in terms of comfort, it really was heaps better than many others Iíve been around. Itís those other sort of cars Iíve always assumed give the 240 itís rep as a rattlebox. I just assumed anyone who felt that way hadnít driven a nice example of one. But, per the two of you, I guess thatís not necessarily the case.
Driving a lexus fucked me all up. The smoothness of the inline 6 and the interior of the lexus made the 240 seem like I was driving a JGTC GT500 car lmao
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Well, that, and the leaky sunroof. It really ruined sunroof cars for me.

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Yeah. It's not a complaint so much as an accepted 'comes-with-the-territory' fact. I was trying to say that a lot of the cars I buy have had a good life and they still make noise. The funny thing is that I can say with 100% honesty that I've NEVER had an issue with a leaky sunroof lol. Weird as fuck since it's considered the 'norm'...but same goes for loud ass rattles, I suppose.

I spent all day driving my Silvia. 1hr+ to Mooneyes, then another 45min+ to UpGarage. I took the low roads (more bumps) to avoid tolls. The car actually seems to make LESS noise now that it's planted on coilovers. Go figure. The wind noise still gets in but that's what we all get for having cool-guy frameless doors lol.

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DUUUUDE. YES. LOL. A buddy of mine here had GS and when I would ride in it I'd find myself questioning my life choices hahahah. Before that, in the US, a close friend had a BMW and that shit felt like an airplane. If I parted out my SChassis cars then sold the stock cars for the 'going-rate' I could easily afford something like that...but I'm still stupid and still love pieces of shit.
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Yeah. It's not a complaint so much as an accepted 'comes-with-the-territory' fact. I was trying to say that a lot of the cars I buy have had a good life and they still make noise. The funny thing is that I can say with 100% honesty that I've NEVER had an issue with a leaky sunroof lol. Weird as fuck since it's considered the 'norm'...but same goes for loud ass rattles, I suppose.

I spent all day driving my Silvia. 1hr+ to Mooneyes, then another 45min+ to UpGarage. I took the low roads (more bumps) to avoid tolls. The car actually seems to make LESS noise now that it's planted on coilovers. Go figure. The wind noise still gets in but that's what we all get for having cool-guy frameless doors lol.



DUUUUDE. YES. LOL. A buddy of mine here had GS and when I would ride in it I'd find myself questioning my life choices hahahah. Before that, in the US, a close friend had a BMW and that shit felt like an airplane. If I parted out my SChassis cars then sold the stock cars for the 'going-rate' I could easily afford something like that...but I'm still stupid and still love pieces of shit.
I just keep wondering how different things would have been if I put all the money into the IS instead of the 240. The 240 is fun but it comes at the expense of comfort(lightweight ftw). We'll see how the IS is with about 500whp. Seems like it would be a dream, but who knows it may still feel like a pig. Maybe someone with some experience can chime in.
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